Bush standing there today threatening to veto the new bill .

[blues90]

I hate to say this but this does remind me of how bush could get nothing passed during the beginning months of his stolen 2000 election .

Next thing he did was go on vacation and next was 9/11 and bingo , bush suddenly had what he wanted as if by magic .

[Homer12]

1. It's Obvious

The Dem's know Bush is going to Veto just about everything they send. Be it war or domestic issues, they are positioning for 2008 elections.

I.e. Their letting the Thugs hang themselves with their own rope.

[sam sarrha]

2. need to get them on the record they dont support the troops, thru a VETO

[Rosa Luxemburg]

3. his Daddy saw to it?

[Webster Green]

4. He looked utterly defeated though...

Deer in the headlights look, blinking rapidly, visibly snorted a little coke that was caught in his left nostril, toned down the phony cowboy accent a little bit.

He's done.

[Bobbieo]

5. He will veto the new bill and no one will stop him. What has been accomplished?

Who is going to stop him?

[jazzjunkysue]

34. Most of his staff is either fired or in jail at this point. He's unable to

hire good people, unable to direct the people he has now. He's an utter failure, because his real goal was stealing the middle east and turning the presidency into a dictatorship.

If he can't have those 2 things, he's done. He never did run the country.

We took his toys away from him and are exposing the GOP. They'll never recover from this.

And we will get this occupation ended. He can't fire another general over there, and he's so weakened that when the military decides it's coming home, it will. He can't argue with his generals any more. He can't fire them anymore.

We'd all rather have a stake through the demon's heart, but we'll have to settle for depleating his power and authority and workforce that supports him.

But that news conference was a broken, beaten cowboy, and the world needs to see that.

We're taking back our country from the neocons. And they know it.

[Old and In the Way]

6. He's on the long slide downhill and he can't stop it.

We are getting stronger, he's getting weaker. He's going down. It's only a question of time.

[piesRsquare]

7. Heh heh...

...hee hee ho ho ho...hoo hoo ha ha HAAAA!

*snicker*

:evilgrin:

[Old and In the Way]

10. It's funny indeed.

A general fuck-up that's done everything possible to make himself hated by all. He's a dipshit extrodinaire that will go down in history as the most criminaly incompetent buffoon who could ever have been selected pResident. I'll leave it up to the apologists in the MSM to explain how they fucked it up so bad.

[piesRsquare]

21. No, I didn't mean it that way...

I was doing the evil laugh at the thought of Bush going down...

[Old and In the Way]

26. No problem

Dimson is going down...watch the incredibly stupid man shrink before our eyes!

[Bobbieo]

14. How many more have to die in this bloody war before he is down for the count?

[Frances]

15. You took the words right out of my mouth

This is exactly the argument I used to support the bill today.

Do you think it's because we are "old" that we see things this way?

[Ouabache]

8. If *hole vetoes it - pass it again with August 2008 as deadline

If *hole vetoes that - pass it again with July 2008 as deadline...
If *hole vetoes that - pass it again with June 2008 as deadline...

Give him the money, but make him see he IS getting out.

[jwirr]

17. Now that is a great idea.

[karlrschneider]

18. That's a terrific idea but let's not stop at one month at a time...go for 3 at least!

...

[pretzel4gore]

9. i barely remember those few months..

between when dubia was crowned, er inaugerated, and sept 11th...that was jan 20/01 until sept '01, 8 months or so....the main thrust of bush's success nevertheless was the media promotion of him (they all said Al Gore 'lost' the debates? ferchrissake, who took junyer serious!)...the actual mechanics of running a country, with congress and the senate not to mention the newsmedia still operating as normal, still probably handicapped the poor dopey sonofagun...911 sure saved his bacon! poor America will be paying for that bacon for generations! talk about buying a pig in a poke!

[MadMaddie]

11. Actually, the Democrats put him in very tight space

do you realize if he veto's the bill, in essence he is vetoing the funding for the troops.:think:

In his speech he said "the Dems were cutting funding for the troops"

Um no, translated "The Democrats are responsible for making me veto the funds for the troops"!!


This is why he looked so haggard today and close to throwing a temper tantrum.

Great Move by the Dems!

[MadHound]

12. And then there's always the infamous signing statement

And presto, change-o, a funding bill with a deadline becomes a funding bill without a deadline, and the war grinds on.

The only sure way to defund this war is to bury every single war funding bill deep in committee and see that it stays there. Playing chicken with a mad man and and open bill is asking to get creamed.

[MadMaddie]

13. That's right...

Can Congress change that rule?

[Frances]

16. Not a good plan to bury the funding bill

because Americans will blame the Democrats if there is no money for the troops. This way Bush is held accountable. If he vetoes the bill, he loses. If he doesn't follow the provisions of the bill, he loses. It's a lose-lose for Bush and a win-win for the troops and all Americans.

[MadHound]

20. Umm, just exactly what mandate do you think the American people gave the Dems last fall?

To stop the damn war, by any means necessary. In fact, without the Dems even taking to the bully pulpit yet, 46% of the people favor defunding the war<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/postpoll_022607.htm> Gee, a little push here, a little shove there, and most Americans would indeed favor this.

Meanwhile this bill gives Bush loopholes large enough to drive a Mac truck through, like keeping the troops in Iraq beyond Sept. '08 for purposes of training the Iraqi police and military, or for fighting Al Qaeda(isn't that nominally what we're doing now).

Sorry, but even without sigining statements, this is a horrible bill, and frankly the only way we can stop this war is to defund it. Anything else will simply allow it to continue to drag on and on, and tens of thousands more people will die.

[Frances]

25. Are you one of the people Obey was referring to when

he talked about people who don't understand how Congress works?

[MadHound]

27. Oh, did he mean those darn pesky people like Kucinich and a few others

Who are fucking tired of playing political games at the expense of people's lives? Yeah, and damn, isn't amazing how those darn pesky people have been right all along about this war, from the IWR to this bill. Yeah, damn, somehow we don't know how politics work:eyes:

Tell ya what, I'll go ask my old poli sci prof if I don't know how Congress works, after all, I only pulled a 4.0 in all the classes I was in:shrug:

So tell me, oh wise one, what exactly wouldn't work about burying war funding bills in committee wouldn't work? This should be entertaining.

[Frances]

28. If you bury funding, then headlines would read

"Democrats deny funding to the troops." If today's bill had been defeated, the headline would have read something like this "Divided Democrats unable to confront Bush on troop withdrawal" or "Pelosi loses contest with Republicans" or "Democratic Pelosi Loses First Big Test of Democratic Power." These headlines would have make Bush stronger and people would have been quoting Obey about "idiot liberals" and their refusal to take governing seriously.

Here are actual headlines word for word from My Yahoo:

"House approves 2008 troop withdrawal from Iraq " (Reuters)

"Dems challenge Bush with Iraq timetable" (AP)

These are the kinds of headlines that weaken Bush and make it easier for Democrats to hold him accountable.

[MadHound]

29. Great, another one who is more concerned about playing politics than ending the war

First off, I frankly couldn't give a rat's red ass what the headlines say, so long as the war ends. Second, did you even bother to look at my link up above? Forty five percent actually favor defunding the war. Gee, I think that we could manage to massage another ten percent out of those numbers with just a little effort. And finally, while the headlines might look fine today, what the hell do you think the election is going to look like next November when Bush is using those loopholes of "training Iraqi Security Forces" and "fighting Al-Qaeda" to keep this war grinding on and on like some macbre Energizer Bunny, with the Dems faithfully feeding him ever more money?

We are done playing petty political games friend. There comes a point in one's life when your political career is worth a hell of a lot less than the ongoing destruction of thousands upon thousands of lives. This is one of those times. It is time for the Dems to suck it up, do the right thing and actually bring this war to a screeching halt. Not in the fall of '08, not in the fall of '07, but now. Anything else is simply letting more innocent blood spill all over their hands.

[Frances]

30. Give me a break

So, 45% of the American people support defunding the war. That is not a majority of the American people, much less the Congress.

I will grant you that if it were possible to get a majority of Congress to support defunding the war, I would be very happy.

I would also be very happy if I won the lottery. In the meantime, I plan to keep my day job.

[MadHound]

31. Yes, forty five percent. And that number isn't static either

Gee, like I said, with the Dems taking to the bully pulpit, we could easily get another ten percentage points or more. After all, seventy five percent of the public is against this war and wants it to end ASAP:shrug:

And frankly, if the Dems are serious about ending the war, defunding is the only sure fire way of doing so. Another frank thought for you, the Dems were put into their position of power last fall with one clear demand from the people, end the war NOW. This coalition that put them there is made up of Republicans, centerists, and anti-war leftists. If the Dems fail to end this war by next fall, that coalition will fall apart as these people will either vote for some other person or party, or simply stay home in droves.

If the Dems continue to play these political games, they will soon play themselves right out of the game. It happened forty years ago, and it can happen again.

[Frances]

32. Are you saying that you are so unhappy with today's bill

that you will vote for a Republican?

[MadHound]

33. LOL, my you jump far to a conclusion

I'm simply telling you the political realities of what will happen if the Democrats fail to stop this war by Novemember of next year, based on historical precedent. Personally, it would have to depend on who is running, but if it is Hillary or some other pro war Dem, there is a good chance that I would go Green.

[Theduckno2]

24. I think you are onto something.

"This way Bush is held accountable."

Neocon warmongers were always quick to point to the Congressional "War Authorization" as a way to divest themselves of complete responsibility for the quagmire (there I said it) that is Iraq. This legislation goes a long way to making the Iraq War, Bush's War.

I just wish that Republicans could be convinced to support this legislation, even with an understanding that the target date could be reviewed at a later time.

:hi:

[bdamomma]

19. very interesting move on the part of the dems, but those guys

are still getting killed out there, PBS showed 11 casualities of the war last nite and tonite another 11. How many more must die?

And now with this stuff with Brit sailors how much more?

[Disturbed]

22. Gonzo said he will no resign. He has to stay to protect the kids.

He can start by keeping Busholini from exploiting those kids standing behind him for his photo op.

[bdamomma]

23. protect the kids???? another lie, how about the way he's trying to

protect his a$$.