So I quit moveon today

[proud2BlibKansan]

That push poll of theirs was so infuriating. I refused to vote in it. And I wrote moveon asking them to take me off their membership list.

Then I was on my way home today and I heard Ed Schultz on the radio interviewing Eli Pariser from moveon. Eli was saying that 85% of moveon members had voted to support Pelosi's bill. Ed asked how many members moveon has. Eli said 3.2 million. I thought well 3.2 million minus one. I didn't vote in that poll. And I thought I remembered reading here on DU that other moveon members had not voted either. So I wondered just how many moveon members had voted.

Well when I got home I was surprised to see an email from Eli Pariser in my inbox. How nice of him to respond to me personally. Maybe I should change my mind about quitting?

Then I read Eli's email. And I was surprised to learn that 126,000 moveon members had voted in the poll. I teach Math. I happen to know for a fact there is a HUGE difference between 85% of 3.2 million and 85% of 126,000. And now I am left to wonder if Eli was being a tad bit dishonest when he talked to Ed or if perhaps he doesn't do well in Math? :shrug:

[whistle]

1. me too

[marlakay]

I was pissed too

I did vote and voted NO. I thought the bill went too easy.

[Wiley50]

2. Perhaps you simply Moved On n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

11. LOL That I have. n/t

[FourScore]

95. They have become more and more obsolete.

I left MoveOn after their silence around the '04 election. To me, they have become too much like Donna Brazile and the DNC gang.

MoveOn doesn't hear their base supporters anymore. They don't tap into the growing tidal wave of outrage. They play it safe now. It's a shame. I don't know what happened. MoveOn could've really made a difference. But now? They're bogus.

[proud2BlibKansan]

96. moveon's agenda was painfully obvious

when I listened to Ed Schultz and Eli. They wanted to support Pelosi. Funny, I would think a grassroots org would focus more on representing its members than supporting politicians.

[EFerrari]

3. They held the poll while peace protesters were out demonstrating.

Kind of makes you go "humm".

[proud2BlibKansan]

9. They also messed up the notifications for our Iraq anniversary rally

I was the local organizer who contacted them. I posted on their website and on UFPJ and here and on local blogs and to my email groups. It was Sunday, March 18. moveon sent out emails to who knows how many thousand members in this area telling them our rally was on Monday, March 19. As soon as I saw that mistake, I tried to contact moveon to ask them to correct it. My password didn't work when I tried to log in as an organizer. So I emailed moveon asking them to correct it. They didn't. The day after the rally, I responded to their 'how did your rally go' email and told them about the mistake. They claimed it was my error. But everywhere else I posted, the date was correct.
:wtf:

I know, I need a :tinfoilhat:

But between that damn poll, Eli on the radio today and this email screw up, I think I made the right decision.

And girl, you should have heard Ed Schultz. He was literally gloating about Democratic unity and how moveon members were with the Democrats! I tell you I wanted to :puke:

[EFerrari]

15. Two of my events before the 2004 election suffered a similar "glitch".

I guess rich people stick together. I say, let 'em.

[proud2BlibKansan]

23. That's good to hear

I don't feel so paranoid now. They fuck with west coasters too. LOL

[EFerrari]

32. Listen to this story. I loved working with MoveOn because

they made activism accessible to me on my desktop. I put in to help out with their book and we were given the task of its West Coast debut.

So, I went to work. I booked headlining comedians, cajoled a couple of our progressive supervisors to speak and got a poli sci prof from Cal -- who was an excellent speaker -- to come out. I had the thing FILMED and put up on our local public access tv. The publisher was so happy, they sent me FLOWERS from HAWAII.

It went GREAT. And then, I booked another similar event in a different part of town, in another market. I had different political comedians, local DJs, a different city official, a couple of the contributors in a cool venue.

MoveOn couldn't get it together to send out the email but THEY CLAIMED THEY DID. It was just creepy. It's like they have some self destructive thing going. The opening here could have gone huge but, they couldn't send AN EMAIL.

It just blew me away. :wow:

/oops

[mod mom]

43. Yes, I can relate, and not only MoveOn but True Majority, also...and don't

even get me started with John Kerry. What a novice, I was.

I just want a better world. SFexpat, you sound like you had a similiar experience.

[EFerrari]

46. True Majority, too? I always found them more accessible.

I mean, I can call their office and get a person. And I loved their "pants on fire" campaign.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

27. I listen to AA all day at work

but now I'm glad the boss was yacking in my ear all afternoon, and I missed it.

I never have liked Schultz... tends to piss me off when he blatantly panders to the Dem. establishment.
I want to hear Thom at Noon... It's no fair that because we get his local morning show we don't get the national one. :(

[proud2BlibKansan]

33. I am so jealous you get to listen at work!

I left early today to go to the dentist or I wouldn't have been able to hear this.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

49. funny story from today...

our painters crew wears mp3 or cd players with headphones cause we all have different tastes... today we show up at a remod, and the siders are complaining because the General Contractor made then turn their radio off.

Yes, I'm a lucky girl. :)

[Joe for Clark]

4. Wow!

Guess he should retake elementary math. "Is he smater than a 5th Grader?"

That is pretty funny.

Joe

[mudesi]

5. Well now I'm curious! What was the poll?

And how was it a push poll?

[soothsayer]

13. i think they said they polled on whether to back pelosi's bill

that passed today. some hate it (like me) because the timetable is 17 mos away, and worse because it gives dumbass every $ he asked for, and more! (if I understand it right---I could totally be wrong)

[Ghost in the Machine]

113. here's some of the "more" that the bill contained

"The $124 billion emergency war bill the committee approved on Friday contains a wide range of funding for health care programs in the Defense Department and Veterans Affairs departments. Funding for DOD health care programs covered by the bill includes:"

$450 million for post-traumatic stress disorder/counseling.
$450 million for traumatic brain injury care and research.
$730 million to prevent health care fee increases for U.S. troops.
$20 million to address the problems at Walter Reed.
$14.8 million for burn care.
The bill increased funding for the VA's health care programs by $1.7 billion, including:


$550 million to address the maintenance backlog at VA health care facilities to prevent situations similar to those at Walter Reed.
$250 million for medical administration.
$229 million for treatment of a increased pool of veterans.
$100 million to allow the VA to contract with private mental health care providers.
$62 million to speed claims processing for returning veterans.

This is the extra money that the Dems "slipped into this bill for their pet spending projects", according to President Bush. If he vetoes this bill, this should be hung around his neck for the rest of his life.

But we're not "supporting the troops".

[proud2BlibKansan]

115. Thank you for that list!

As much as I don't like this bill, it is going to be great to accuse el pretzeldente of not supporting the troops when he vetoes it. :)

[proud2BlibKansan]

14. Oh rush didn't talk about the moveon poll?

:evilgrin:

[mod mom]

6. I quit after they failed to back our request for backing regarding the '04 election

fraud. Their silence was deafening. In '04 I raised a lot of $ in fundraisers and recruited many volunteers for them. I was deeply disappointed-they wouldn't even consider our evidence.

I still go to their candle vigils, as I have friends involved, but not a cent, nor do I receive their emails first hand.

on edit I want to qualify we were NOT asking for financial assistance but since we worked at helping to build their volunteer lists we wanted info sent out to the lists-nada.

[EFerrari]

12. Ditto, mod mom. They went dark for weeks after our stolen election

just when we needed our network most.

I'm never making that mistake again. :(

[mod mom]

29. '04 was a big learning experience for me. After owning my own business for

17 years, I learned (again) that there were folks out for their own self interest and others for the cause. Just as with the Kerry Campaign (remember I'm from Columbus OH, so we saw a lot of attention) there were cut throat volunteers who thought they were going to get a ticket with the win, while others who just wanted to rid the world of a tyrant. I moved up the ranks because I was not a threat to anyone who was looking for a career move-just wanted my frickin life back w/o bu$h. I felt used by moveon for their own power struggle. No thanks not interested in cut throat politics-that's why I had my own business. No need for assholes only wanted to work on the cause. My lesson learned-too much politics in politics.

[EFerrari]

36. See my #32.

I sat up all night that night. And for nights after that. I had asked and asked and pestered and bugged my MoveOn contact for weeks about election theft -- and that was before I knew the little I know now. "We have it covered".

Yeah, right.

I don't care if you don't have a problem solved. Just don't LIE to me. :mad:

[omega minimo]

97. Linked nationwide house parties pre-11-2-04 & dead silence after it was stolen. Hypocrites!

"just when we needed our network most......" You said it, SFE. Esp. as the "fourth estate," our local papers were editorializing and demonizing against anyone who DARED question the election verifiability. :evilfrown:

I went to a MoveOn meeting in Jan 05 that was about Lakoff and FRAMING1!!!!111 AND NO DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ELECTION THAT HAD JUST BEEN RATIFIED WITH BARBARA BOXER STANDING UP FOR US IN THE SENATE. 50+ people and they had all "moved on." One even used the words (when the election came up after the meeting) "sour grapes" i.e. Repug talking point :puke: It was INSANE. It was "normal." And here we are!!!


Not a fan of MoveOn.org :hi:

[EFerrari]

109. It was heartbreaking. My hope is that they learn from these things

but I guess if you have enough money, maybe learning isn't on your top ten. :(

[proud2BlibKansan]

25. Oh wow I had forgotten all about that

Thanks for reminding me.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

7. During the '04 election I donated to MoveOn. They promised to hold Bush accountable...

I'm still waiting.

[proud2BlibKansan]

34. Good point

LOL

[Glorfindel]

8. I wonder if he meant that 85% of MoveOn member who VOTED,

voted to support Pelosi's bill. To someone (like me) who isn't particularly great at math, the difference between the two possible scenarios (total membership vs. members actually voting)is rather fuzzy. I know it shouldn't be, but it is. Just a thought.

[proud2BlibKansan]

17. Ed asked Eli how many members

and Eli said 3.2 million. He had many opportunities to tell Ed that not all 3.2 million voted.

[Kagemusha]

10. So as another asked, what was the poll?

I understand your math, but it's only the start of what I'm concerned about re: this poll. You call it a push poll. Why?

I haven't been a MoveOn member, just a concerned opponent of the Iraq war. But I feel this matters, since the MoveOn poll was used as a street sign to beat liberals into submission, and MoveOn support for an issue has now become a benchmark of support by the base.

[proud2BlibKansan]

21. Here is a good article about the poll

http://www.prwatch.org/node/5865

[Kagemusha]

90. Many thanks.

Clears up the fundamentals of the other side of the story very well.

[Frances]

16. I've checked with the people that I have worked with

in past Democratic elections, and we all voted in favor of the bill at MoveOn. We are mostly detail-oriented, methodical, analytical types. We thought that Kos expressed our views well when he came out in favor of the bill. He gave a thoughtful, rational explanation that considered both the pros and cons.

[proud2BlibKansan]

30. I don't support the war

That wasn't a choice in moveon's poll.

[Frances]

39. No one who supported today's bill supports the war

The people who do support the war voted against the bill along with a few Democrats who had their own agenda.

[proud2BlibKansan]

41. Could have fooled me

I could have sworn that bill was to fund that war you claim they don't support.

[Frances]

47. Do you have any relatives in the military now or in the past?

If you do, then you should understand that you have to have money to transition them out of Iraq. No way should they be left high and dry. Also, no way should we not have increased funding for their medical needs as they return.

Do you think that we can just wave a magic wand and get them home?

[EFerrari]

53. Because the Pentagon is strapped. And enough with the magic want

crap. Ask the Pentagon to use their "magic" wand to restore the lost and stolen funds the See No Evil Congress gave them. Don't even start on people who very reasonably want this slaughter and destruction to end.

Today, the Democrats had a political victory. That's a good thing. It had nada to do with ending the occupation. And everything to do with giving the cronies one more year to line their pockets while people die.

And see, I don't even need to be a blood relation to think for myself!

[Frances]

59. Are you really thinking and using the rational part of your brain?

Or are you responding emotionally without thinking?

[EFerrari]

61. Can you recognize cognition?

[Frances]

70. Actually I have a very good vocabulary.

But what I am hearing from you is venting because of your frustration with this most unnecessary and destructive of wars.

I understand your frustration with the war. I am also frustrated.

I think that Bush and Cheney and the neocons are very formidable enemies and that I need to use all the brain power I have to try to undo some of their damage. I don't think I will accomplish that in a day. I believe I need to step back, get calm, and then make moves the way a chess player would.

[ends_dont_justify]

104. We're no longer playing chess

We're playing minesweeper. We need to walk carefully, sure, but we're out to label mines as mines...

[proud2BlibKansan]

63. My dad fought in the Battle of the Bulge

and my DH is a Vietnam vet.

Does that mean I get to have an opinion now? :eyes:

[Frances]

80. I am honestly curious what these military people say.

My husband is a combat vet who is against this war as he was against the Vietnam war. At the same time, he has a lot of respect for people in the military. He would love for the war to end today but he's been alive long enough to know that it takes time and money to get the military home.

[gulfcoastliberal]

106. WOW! There's all of $1 billion out the 120+ billion for active/vet healthcare!

That's sooooo generous! :sarcasm: Compared to the additional $20 billion just for pork they added to the bill, it doesn't seem like much...

[Ghost in the Machine]

114. please check your facts.

"The $124 billion emergency war bill the committee approved on Friday contains a wide range of funding for health care programs in the Defense Department and Veterans Affairs departments. Funding for DOD health care programs covered by the bill includes:"

$450 million for post-traumatic stress disorder/counseling.
$450 million for traumatic brain injury care and research.
$730 million to prevent health care fee increases for U.S. troops.
$20 million to address the problems at Walter Reed.
$14.8 million for burn care.
The bill increased funding for the VA's health care programs by $1.7 billion, including:


$550 million to address the maintenance backlog at VA health care facilities to prevent situations similar to those at Walter Reed.
$250 million for medical administration.
$229 million for treatment of a increased pool of veterans.
$100 million to allow the VA to contract with private mental health care providers.
$62 million to speed claims processing for returning veterans.

This is the extra money that the Dems "slipped into this bill for their pet spending projects", according to President Bush. If he vetoes this bill, this should be hung around his neck for the rest of his life.

[EFerrari]

52. Their own agenda, like actually ending the occupation.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

18. Well Yay For You. Here's A Scooby Snack.

[proud2BlibKansan]

26. Thanks for the inciteful intelligent remark

:sarcasm:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

28. I'm Sorry, Did You Want Two?

[proud2BlibKansan]

35. Actually I am on a diet

You're not on it.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

44. My Bad. Yay For You! Here's A Low Fat Scooby Snack For Ya!

[LittleClarkie]

75. Well, if you're not going to eat it, can I have it

I haven't stopped for dinner. I'm STARVING!

[omega minimo]

98. "Incite"ful as ever

:thumbsdown:

[proud2BlibKansan]

101. LOL!

[Forkboy]

31. You're just a ray of sunshine everywhere you go,aren't you?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

42. Generally Speaking, Sure!

[HCE SuiGeneris]

45. Yes.

I too feel elevated by the Yea Olde Wise One's loving interjections designed to impart the wisdom so obviously lacking by the masses here. Without such "insights", one might think we were without guidance.

[omega minimo]

103. OPERATIONRAYOFSUNSHINE

[omega minimo]

100. a ray of

where the sun don't shine :evilgrin:

[davhill]

19. I Quit Too

They have lost credibility with me by supporting continued funding of the war.

[roody]

20. I unsubscribed 2 days ago.

I had been deleting them for years. About time.

[babylonsister]

22. . nt

[proud2BlibKansan]

38. ??

[robinlynne]

24. i'm about to do the same.

[WillyT]

37. Um... What Poll ???

:blush:

[proud2BlibKansan]

40. here

http://www.prwatch.org/node/5865

[shance]

48. I quit as well Proud. Thanks for your post.

It appears and has appeared for quite some time, that Moveon is not listening to those they have so ardently courted.

A shame. What a powerful movement it could have been if it hadn't sold out.

[thethinker]

50. Moveon.org could be such a force for good

but I resent their "either or" polls. I sent them an email once and told them if they really wanted our opinion they would have a place to put a comment in their polls.

I wonder if they would have the courage to do a poll and ask who wants to cut the funding for the war? No, probably not.

[BayCityProgressive]

57. I just quit as well

they sent me a nice and polite e-mail when I questioned them today and I even posted it here.Upon reflection, I still do not feel they were being honest with me so I had myself removed.

[proud2BlibKansan]

64. Can you post a link to that reply?

I wonder if it's the same one I got.

[BayCityProgressive]

66. here it is

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x488383

[proud2BlibKansan]

69. LOL Same letter!

:rofl:

[EFerrari]

71. They do have a death wish. How stupid.

[EFerrari]

68. I hope they learn something from all the people who are out the

door today.

That would be a good outcome.

[cosmicdot]

51. never cared for the name either

[ConsAreLiars]

54. Beware of Puritanism and sectarianism -

No organization is going to be "perfect" on all issues from anyone's point of view. We are many and diverse, so the institutions we have created are many and diverse. Believing that moveon is weak on imperialism is a reason to put one's time and energy into other efforts is quite sensible. They are one part of the whole progressive movement, and an important and helpful part.

[EFerrari]

56. There is nothing progressive about an organization that

pretends to be "grassroots" and ignores its members' input.

[Frances]

58. Moveon didn't ignore its members input

In fact, they did just the opposite. You just happened to have a minority view.

[EFerrari]

62. Well,no. And I have that on the word of more than one

of Joan and Wes's advisors who have quit them in utter disgust.

I quit them in November 2004 and haven't missed them at all.

[proud2BlibKansan]

65. How can you be sure it is a minority view?

We didn't get to vote, remember?

[Frances]

72. I am sorry that you didn't vote.

Did you not get the email?

I believe Moveon when the organization says that 85% of the respondents voted for the bill. The activists that I know supported the bill. So, I am not surprised at that figure. I don't know if you read kos or not, but he endorsed the bill after explaining the pros and the cons (and there are cons).

[EFerrari]

77. For the last time, they took the poll while anti war activists were out

in the streets demonstrating.

[Frances]

79. It seems unlikely to me that a majority of Moveon

members were out in the street demonstrating 24 hours a day. I would think that some were demonstrating, but I would think that the demonstrators would go home to shower and that they would check their email then.

[EFerrari]

82. Yes, and we could have baked cookies for neighbors and

spent quality time with our philodendron.

I offer a fact, you return with speculation.

Nothing to defend here. The responses to this thread speak for themselves.

[Frances]

83. Are you saying that you didn't check your email?

[EFerrari]

86. No. I've already said I cut MoveOn off two years ago.

But, when my family went to the march in DC in January for example, our internet access was pretty limited. And it's not only the time you are out marching. It's also the time you are preparing and the time you spend scrambling to get everything else done so you can go. And also, travel time.

MoveOn couldn't have been unaware of this process.

[Frances]

89. Thank you for marching.

[Breeze54]

85. You were demonstarting on March 8th??

The first e-mail I recieved, concerning this, was before the Illegal Iraq Invasion Anniversary

From: Nita Chaudhary, MoveOn.org Political Action
Date: Thursday, March 08, 2007 1:03 PM

Dear MoveOn member,
The Democratic Leadership will unveil its plan for Iraq today, and we'll be asked
what MoveOn members think about it.

Can you take just a quick minute to complete the survey at the link below?
http://pol.moveon.org/iraqpolicy/index3.html

Completing the survey takes just a few minutes.

MoveOn's mission is to serve members like you —so we really want to know what you think.

Please help set MoveOn's course on Iraq.

Thanks for all you do.

–Nita, Tom, Eli, Justin and the MoveOn.org Political Action Team
Thursday, March 8th, 2007

PAID FOR BY MOVEON.ORG POLITICAL ACTION, http://pol.moveon.org/
Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Subscription Management:
This is a message from MoveOn.org Political Action. To change your email address....

[proud2BlibKansan]

93. The option the peace community favors was not in their poll

I am sorry you don't appear to grasp that.

[guruoo]

102. Exactly who is this "peace community"?

[ConsAreLiars]

74. They went with the vote, and they framed the vote in a way that relected their

(the leaders' and their membership's) views of the world. Nothing unusual about that. I have never encountered any "grassroots" organization, even the best of them, that didn't work the same way. Same for orgs that get formed around some core group, with a leadership that goals and tactics. Still, they are allies in the common cause because they fight for the same things and against a common enemy. Not the vanguard elite, but a part of the whole.

[EFerrari]

78. I see your point, I think. We make a mistake if we expect

altruism.

We should instead expect to deal with a group. lol

[ConsAreLiars]

87. There's a good critique of moveon in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3178950

I agree with all of it, but we need/are imperfect allies in a common struggle. No perfect ones are available, since no part can be as effective as the whole.

(edit typo and a word)

[EFerrari]

88. Wholly agree.

[helderheid]

55. me too. K&R - consider PDA instead

www.pdamerica.org

Video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=kXzBSjSfwNU

[proud2BlibKansan]

67. I belong to PDA

Great organization.

[madfloridian]

105. Looks like Swanson and PDA are going after MoveOn.

And I don't like it. I see no reason for that to be done. Is this a PDA project or just a few.

[proud2BlibKansan]

108. I am not acting on behalf of PDA

And I don't see this as going after moveon. They made a mistake. They are being criticized for it. I quit because of it and some other mistakes. Moveon is not the organization I thought it was. That's the whole story.

[EFerrari]

110. I don't know who Swanson is and I'm a Green. Might try

reading the thread.

[proud2BlibKansan]

111. David Swanson is a neat guy; I think you would like him

Here is his website
http://www.davidswanson.org/

And wikipedia says:

David Swanson is the Washington Director of Democrats.com and of ImpeachPAC.org. He is co-founder of the AfterDowningStreet.org / CensureBush.org coalition, creator of MeetWithCindy.org and KatrinaMarch.org, and a board member of Progressive Democrats of America.

He has worked as a newspaper reporter and as a communications director, with jobs including press secretary for Dennis Kucinich's 2004 presidential campaign, media coordinator for the International Labor Communications Association, and three years as communications coordinator for ACORN (the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now). Swanson serves on the executive council of the Washington Baltimore Newspaper Guild. He obtained a master's degree in philosophy from the University of Virginia in 1997.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Swanson

[EFerrari]

112. Cool. Thank you.

[a kennedy]

60. Hey, I don't like either one of them. oops, my bad.

sorry about that but I've always wanted to say "my bad". Have always hated that saying, but I'VE JUST WANTED TO SAY IT. :evilgrin: :blush: :rofl:

[Breeze54]

73. Maybe you didn't see this??

Do MoveOn Members Really Support the Iraq Supplemental?
http://pol.moveon.org/iraq/supplemental.html

By Eli Pariser, Executive Director, MoveOn.org Political Action

Friday, March 23rd, 2007

MoveOn.org Political Action supports the passage of the Iraq Accountability Act. Because there are dedicated antiwar activists who oppose this bill, it’s worth explaining how we arrived at this position.

In order to strengthen the hand of progressives who were pushing for a better bill, MoveOn refrained from taking a public or private position until late last week. Then, when the final bill was negotiated, we put the question to our membership: should we support it? 126, 000 MoveOn members participated in the vote. 84.6% supported the bill. 9.2% said they weren't sure and 6.2% opposed it.

Why? The Iraq Accountability Act will, for the first time, set a deadline in law for the withdrawal of American troops. If it passes, it will force President Bush to agree to an end date for the war or to stand in front of the American people—who want a timeline—and declare his support for war without end by vetoing it . It’s a first step to ending the war. That’s why MoveOn members told us they support the bill.

Some folks passionately disagree with this position. And perhaps because it’s hard for them to believe that so many progressives would support a bill that provides continued funding for the war, a number have questioned the validity of our member poll on the bill. Here are some concerns we’ve heard, and the reality in each case:


See also:

I received a nice Letter From MoveOn.Org (re: war bill)

BayCityProgressive -- Fri Mar-23-07 07:24 PM

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=488383&mesg_id=488383

[EFerrari]

76. They took the poll while we were out demonstrating. n/t

[Breeze54]

81. Yeah, I hear that!

I answered the poll(s).

I was one of the 6.2% who opposed.


;)

[orleans]

84. i didn't vote, but i would have voted NO. (i rarely check my email) n/t

[Pastiche423]

91. I quit yesterday

I din't vote in the poll because I din't like any of the choices. To be fair, I quit donating to them during the 2004 primaries. They had begun acting a little too DLCish for my stances.

This poll became the last straw for my relationship w/them. It seems to me, that the DLCers and the Blue Dogs got what they wanted from moveon.

The Email from Eli is sitting in my inbox. He knows he fucked up and is in a panic. The story was all of the blogs yesterday. He must have receieved a great number of angry emails and please unsubcribes.

I won't shred a tear.

[Breeze54]

92. 2004? Then your vote doesn't count!

imho.

Sorry to be so cut and dry but you aren't an active member.

More like a 'pretender.

[proud2BlibKansan]

94. I haven't sent them any money since 2004 either

but I was an active member. I was an area organizer. Was being the operative word there. LOL

[Pastiche423]

99. lol

I was still a member until two days ago when I quit them.

[EFerrari]

107. Or more like a person who is still trying to give MoveOn

the benefit of a doubt after being disappointed multiple times. :(

[anitar1]

116. It was a fix, plain and simple. We poor dim witted

members just had to be "helped" to do this. I don't know how many of us have left MoveOn, but suspect there were quite a few.I don't buy tactics like this. It smells of dishonesty, and I don't care to have anyone explain to me why they just had to do it this way.Eli should have explained his version in the beginning.