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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 10:41 AM
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We are NOT in a Depression
This is not a Depression

It's a BUSH Depression.

We need to do some serious framing, in the manner of George Lakoff. DUers should never mention the word depression without the word Bush preceding it. We have to forever link the words Bush and depression in people's minds, so that whenever they hear the word depression, they will think: Bush Depression.

Now if only the Democratic Party and our members of Congress would start doing this ...


Our mantra should be: Bush Depression, Bush Depression, Bush Depression, Bush Depression. Om.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 10:43 AM
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1. You're right. Never say one word without the other.
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marketcrazy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 10:52 AM
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3. call it what you want
it wont mutch matter to the homeless and unemployed standing out side of the local soup kitchen!! the fact is there is plenty of blame to go around on BOTH sides and while we are pointing fingers we might as well look in the mirror too!
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 11:29 AM
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6. ah, yes, the Repugniconvict talking point, which ignores the fact that
for most of past decade, Republicans have hammered policies through which lead to where we were, with only one Bush veto of what came out of the Repub-controlled House and Senate (not a fiscal thing) ...

"THERE IS PLENTY OF BLAME TO GO AROUND ON BOTH SIDES!!!! WAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!"
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 11:57 AM
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8. Maybe you could give us some examples of how Democratic policies are responsible in any way?
I would be quite interested in your opinion. It is pretty easy to do side by side comparisons between a Democratic Administration and it's fiscal policies and a Republican Administration with it's fiscal policies and their effect on the nation and the world...Remember under Bill Clinton the USA experienced "The Greatest Economic Expansion in History" under the "Torture pResident" the exact opposite occured.
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marketcrazy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 12:05 PM
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9. I could do that
but it would only perpetuate divisiveness. do not fix blame, fix the problem.. ( first ) let historians take care of the rest.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 12:12 PM
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12. How do you fix a problem if you are afraid to say what the problem is?
Edited on Mon Jan-26-09 12:12 PM by Winterblues
Let us know what Democratic policies led to this economic turmoil and maybe we can adjust them. If you can't do that then I find your whole discourse flawed.
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marketcrazy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 12:29 PM
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17. democrats
Edited on Mon Jan-26-09 12:30 PM by marketcrazy1
are in no way shape or form responsible for our current economic problems. i do not want to argue about this, it`s pointless. I would rather we spent the next four years working on solutions together rather than wasting that time arguing and pointing fingers...have a nice day!
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 12:18 PM
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15. SUUUURE you could. :eyeroll:
nm
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 10:51 AM
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2. The SECOND REPUBLICAN GREAT DEPRESSION!!
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 10:53 AM
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4. The "Bush Bust"
I've been calling the economy the "Bush Bust" for eight years.
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Terry in Austin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 10:53 AM
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5. The last depression
The last time, we had "Hoovervilles" -- shantytowns and tent cities of the unemployed and homeless. Nice bit of framing by the Democratic National Committee, apparently.

There were also "Hoover blankets" (newspapers), "Hoover flags" (empty pockets turned inside out), and "Hoover wagons" (horse-drawn automobiles).

So, for the Bush Depression, we can look forward to having "Bushvilles."

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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 11:41 AM
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7. thanks for the Hoover terms...
Bush blankets = blue tarps

Bush flags = Everything Must Go banners

Bush wagons = Hummers and hearses

Bush banks = food banks

Bush economic recovery plans = pink slips

Bush stimulus = ex lax

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etc etc, I'm sure there are more & better...:grr:
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 01:17 PM
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19. Bush stimulus = ex lax
:rofl:
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Shiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 12:06 PM
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10. "Bushburghs" has a nicer ring to it. n/t
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 12:09 PM
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11. If we have another 500,000 unemployed this past month...?
Then I would say we are on the road to a Depression. That would mean we have averaged over 1/2 million jobs lost for the last four months. We cannot keep that up.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 12:14 PM
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13. K&R! It's the Bush Depression!
We've got to tie that albatross around the Republican Party's neck and leave it there as a warning to the next ten generations.

And I like the other Bush terms!
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 01:18 PM
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20. We also need to make sure that Jeb Bush
doesn't have the ghost of a chance to run for president. Ever.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 01:23 PM
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24. The entire Bush family should be cursed unto the seventh generation!
Just the name Bush should be enough to torpedo an election campaign.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 12:16 PM
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14. It was absolutely, positively, 100% preventable too. This Bush Depression. nt
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 12:19 PM
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16. That's a very good point, LiberalEsto. nm
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 12:40 PM
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18. Except that it's a capitalist depression.
I have no quibble with your term, honestly. Given the right-wing media noise and likely attempt to bring down Obama, it's important and true to pin the Depression on the poster-boy for the neoliberal economics, neoconservative politics and imperial wars that marked the final phase in America's bankruptcy.

But capital never accepts limits to its inevitable drive over the cliff. And the politicians and executives and poobahs and bogus analysts who worship at its altar and carry out its commands are legion:

Greenspan, Sandy Weill and John Reed, Phil and Wendy Gramm, Rubin, Clinton, Summers, Kenny-Boy and the Bush mob who flew on his plane, Halliburton Cheney, Grasso, Bernanke, Fuld, Thain and Madoff the Chairmen of the Equities Markets, Moody's and S&P, the SEC... the engineers of the Ponzi economy that took the world's first QUADRILLION (paper valuation) are many more than Bush, and plenty of them carry the (D) next to their names.

The Republicans are the worst extreme, no doubt: but the plunder was non-partisan and top-down on behalf of the billionaire-banker class.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 01:20 PM
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23. Class war raging.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 01:19 PM
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21. Nope, we in the middle of the repigliCON.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 01:20 PM
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22. Actually on the technicalities of it, we are in a RECESSION
this is NOT YET a depression

That said, this is not Bush's Recession, this is the REPUBLICAN recession
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