Right wing terrorism - White supremacist carried out killing spree because Barack Obama is president

[ck4829]

The 22-year-old man who allegedly carried out a racially motivated rape and murder spree in Brockton, Mass., on the day after Barack Obama was inaugurated as America’s first black president told investigators that he drew his inspiration from the white nationalist website Podblanc, according to a police report.

Keith Luke, the man arrested Wednesday after a shootout with police in the Boston suburb, allegedly told police he wanted to kill blacks, Latinos and Jews because he had learned on racist Internet sites “about the demise of the white race.”

Police said Arlindo DePina Goncalves was the third and final victim of Keith Luke, a 22-year-old Brockton man who authorities said devised an "evil plan'' fueled by racism to kill as many "nonwhites'' and Jews as he could before taking his own life.

Luke, authorities alleged yesterday, killed Goncalves and a 20-year-old woman, raped and shot the woman's 22-year-old sister, but failed in his plans to attack a Jewish synagogue and end his life.

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2009/01/23/website-read-by-accused-racial-killer-encouraged-lone-wolf-murders/
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/2009/01/killing_nonwhit.html

[TWiley]

1. ahh ...... another gun enthusiast defends his lifestyle, heritage, and culture

[Chulanowa]

2. Well, he wasn't a criminal at the time of his stockpiling!

[Idealism]

3. Aw come now, guns don't kill people

White supremacists with guns kill people.

Sad topic :(

[EstimatedProphet]

13. Yes. Clearly the guns made him do it.

He would have been a complete pacifist if he didn't have guns. It's the gun culture after all - all gun owners continually rape and murder members of minorities.

[TWiley]

17. Well, a complete pacifist would not have a gun.

Who expanded the argument to include ALL gun owners? Only YOU did, so don't try to blame me for YOUR argument. That is a strawman.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

19. There's no reason a pacificist wouldn't want to own a gun.

"Who expanded the argument to include ALL gun owners? Only YOU did, so don't try to blame me for YOUR argument. That is a strawman."

Who, exactly, are you trying to kid?

[TWiley]

20. hey Einstien, only ONE person said ALL, and it was not me

try reading before bloviating.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

27. "another gun enthusiast defends his heritage, lifestyle and culture."

Clearly implying all gun enthusiasts.

It's not our fault you stuck your foot in your mouth.

[DireStrike]

29. Devil's advocate here

The implication is not that all gun enthusiasts (fill in the blank), but rather that a trend exists. And I'm using a very loose definition for trend, not some sort of statistical thing. Just something that happens repeatedly.

[TWiley]

32. Sorry about your disability, but "another" does not equal "all"

They are Two entirely different words ..... try looking them up sometime.

You have no argument if you cannot drag me into your strawman trap now do you.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

37. Which part of the gun enthusiast lifestyle, culture, and heritage...

do you think includes rape and murder?

[TWiley]

39. ok, try real hard now .....

He is a criminal .... true

He also picked up a gun to defend his lifestyle, culture, and heritage. aka ... the White Race in his own way. That is what the story says .... he was defending his race ... or culture .... or heritage.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

41. So you're saying...

He's just another white person defending his culture?

[TWiley]

45. I am saying it is the reason that HE gave.

He was mentally ill ..... very much so. Years in a mental hospital. This was his take on the world, and I feel he may have been trying to win the approval of his father (it was also his birthday) when he did this.

Luke was reading white supremist websites often on the web, and the message got stuck in his head. Luke lacked the emotional or intellectual skill necessary to understand that he would not be winning the praise of a group by committing this crime.

Luke felt he was defending his race, culture, and heritage. That is what HE said.

[-..__...]

53. One 9mm handgun and 200 rounds of ammo...

(obtained "off the street" no less), makes a person a "gun enthusiast" now?

Personally... I blame the racist attitudes prevalent in MA that fosters this kind of behavior.

[negativenihil]

57. "racist attitudes prevalent in MA"

what the hell? this is total bullshit. like any other state of course you're going to have pockets of racist assholes - but to make such a broad stroke assumption about mass? total bullshit. TOTAL bullshit.

I have no clue where you're from, but i'm assuming you've managed to get rid of any and all racists there? :P

[-..__...]

58. Kind'a like the bullshit...

portraying one racist asshole with one firearm as a "gun enthusiast"... eh?

Actually though, MA (well, Boston at least), has (had), one of the worst reputations in this country as far as racism is concerned...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=boston+racism&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=10&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=images

FWIW... I'm from MA (been here all my life). :smoke:

[negativenihil]

59. i am a firm supporter of the 2nd amendment fyi

..i just choose not to keep any firearms myself.

anyway - yeah i don't think this asshole in brockton really shouldn't fall under the term of "gun enthusiast" - and yes, boston has had it's share of racial tension in the past, but really from my perspective it's just that - in the past. maybe it's just me and how i was raised, but i just don't see the level of racism that i learned about growing up (the boston race riots and such). like anywhere, there's always bound to be a few bad apples. Honestly i know very little about the culture of western mass, so i really can't speak about how things are out there, just about the metro boston area.

(i've lived in new england all my life as well, and the past 10 years have been in the metro boston area).

[madmom]

67. "He bought a 9mm handgun and 200 rounds of ammunition from a man outside a Brockton middle school"

I would not call this a "gun enthusiast" an opportunist maybe but not a gun enthusiast.

[L0oniX]

4. Blame the internet ...blame the music ...blame the dog ...but don't take responsibility.

:eyes:

[AspenRose]

5. *sigh* We're going to see a lot more of this

and it should NOT be tolerated.

[Why Syzygy]

6. So, one is to assume rape and murder is a solution to

"the demise of the white race"? snarf

Stuff like this makes me regret opposing the death penalty.

[TWiley]

8. They look for socially acceptable outlets for their rage

He probably believes it is socially acceptable to commit these crimes because his victims are no longer human in his eyes. The U.S. Military does this same thing to cadets to make em kill for jesus. The same type of thing happens to the gays. Religion gets the psychopaths all stirred up against the homosexuals, and off they go ..... charlie manson style so the preacher is not accountable.

[polmaven]

16. Ah ,yes...

The required religion bashing post!

Grow up!

[TWiley]

22. ah yes, the required holier-than-thou post

Ignorance with a halo? Grow up yourself !

[polmaven]

30. You don't see

DUers who are people of faith constantly ...or EVER...for that matter, bashing atheists, agnostics, or any other group here. Why is it that you feel perfectly privileged to bash me and my faith?

You likely don't even know of what that faith consists. It is just a lot easier to bash "religion" in general than to figure it out.

Like I said....grow up.

[TWiley]

35. Here, take this test then

http://www.selectsmart.com/PRO/beliefnet/new.html

I will post my result also.

[TWiley]

43. Ok, this is my result ......

Lets see how much we have in common

1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
2. Liberal Quakers (94%)
3. Secular Humanism (91%)
4. Neo-Pagan (84%)
5. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (81%)
6. New Age (72%)
7. Theravada Buddhism (69%)
8. Nontheist (61%)
9. Mahayana Buddhism (59%)
10. Orthodox Quaker (58%)
11. Reform Judaism (58%)
12. Taoism (54%)
13. Scientology (51%)
14. New Thought (50%)
15. Jainism (44%)
16. Baha'i Faith (44%)
17. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (44%)
18. Sikhism (38%)
19. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (38%)
20. Hinduism (38%)
21. Seventh Day Adventist (34%)
22. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (30%)
23. Islam (29%)
24. Orthodox Judaism (29%)
25. Jehovah's Witness (26%)
26. Eastern Orthodox (20%)
27. Roman Catholic (20%)

[polmaven]

44. Beliefnet is a piece of crapsite.

It does not come anywhere NEAR representing the vast majority of the people of faith in this COUNTRY...much less those here at DU. I have looke at that "test", and it too is crap.

Why not try to give me a single quote from either the OP or the article where Luke says he did ANY of this in the name of religion. HE IS A F'ING RACIST. He did what he did because he is a RACIST!. Nothing says otherwise.

[TWiley]

46. well, I posted my result ...

Ok, to address your question. Google "Christian Identity" You will discover that most radical racist groups are also fundamentalist Christian. The Christian Identity movement was started by the fella who wrote the Turner Diaries. Most all white supremist groups affilate with Christian Identity. These groups include the KKK, the Aryan Nation, the Neo Nazi's, CCC, and the Republican party just to name a few.

Luke was a white supremist and visited their websites. Christian Identity is very much a part of their culture.

[polmaven]

48. Christian Identity....Oh, I see

So a piece of s**t racist starts what he calls a "religion" in order to justify his hate, and that gives you the right to condemn religion as a whole for what they do.

And, once again...there is not a single quote from Luke stating that any of what he did was in the name of ANY religion, much less a legitimate one.

[TWiley]

50. Are you saying that Religion has NEVER been a motive in a hate crime?

And, who condemed religion as a whole? Jesus, I dont know where you guys get this shit. Anytime you folks have NO argument, you simply broaden it to include ALL. I offered the official Christian church of the racist camp, and you broaden my statement to "all".

So, you must be saying that there are NO racists in church, and that the Christian faith has NEVER minimized any other race, religion, politics, nationality, gender, or sexual orientation of anyone? Is this what YOU are saying?

[polmaven]

70. You are going to have to SHOW me

where you see me coning anywhere NEAR saying that religion has NEVER been a motive for hate crimes. Of COURSE there are instances of that. Just as there have been times that atheism has been a motive.

I have not used the word NEVER and any of my responses to you.

Who condemned religion as a whole? well, does THIS look familiar? The U.S. Military does this same thing to cadets to make em kill for jesus. The same type of thing happens to the gays. Religion gets the psychopaths all stirred up against the homosexuals, and off they go

"Religion" gets them all stirred up...not sometimes, not some religions...."religion". And of what US military branch are you speaking that makes cadets "kill for jesus"?

You have obviously researched that aspect as thoroughly as you researched my gender.

Broad brush statements like that are offensive. Your hatred of anything religious is palpable.

[Why Syzygy]

49. Let me just say ...

Racists can safely assume that they have created God in their own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people they do.

[TWiley]

51. God always hates the same people the Racists do

funny how that works out isn't it? Just like fresh water running through a hose, God picks up the flavor of the hose or religion it is pumped through. It pickes up all the fears, resentments, and prejudice of the congregation. Unfortunately, when it comes out the other side, it is sometimes UNDRINKABLE.

[liberalhistorian]

24. I've found that usually when people

say things like "grow up" and "get a life" they often have no other argument except for stupid childish platitudes. Seems to be the case with your post.

[polmaven]

34. I have found that usually, when people

post childish remarks, they deserve to be told to grow up. That was the case with the post to which I was responding.

[TWiley]

38. Now wait a minute buster

Just because you consider yourself to be a moral supremist does not give you the right to read anything into someones post. simply try responding rationally to my post instead of emotionally. I know it is hard, but it is a necessary discipline.

My point is that some groups, white supremist (google Christian Identity sometime) stir up people against other races, and recently, religion has been doing the same thing to the homosexual community.

Guess what .......... THEY HAVE.

If you feel a bit uncomfortable with that fact, then try to straighten out your own faith and leave me out of it.

There are good and bad folk in most groups as well as in most people. Some groups are clearly more evil than others, and some people are clearly more evil than others.

Now, it is you, young man, who is behaving childishly. NOW GO TO YOUR ROOM

[polmaven]

47. First of all,

I am neither young, nor a man...my profile clearly states "female"....Last I checked, that was not a man. Has no one taught you the difference?

Secondly, MY point, if you would read the post clearly, is that you cannot...well, maybe YOU can...but most do not simply generalize ALL religion, or all religious people as being the same, because we most certainly ARE NOT! Sure, there are those who try to claim that homosexuality is immoral by pointing to the bible. They are, however, a small minority in this country, and, I will venture to say, likely non-existent here at DU.

There are many in my own UMC congregation who are, or have immediate family members who are GLBT. We, as a congregation, voted, more than 10 years ago to become a "Reconciling Congregation", which means we have made a statement that, no matter who you are, or what your sexual orientation may be, you are welcome with us, and you do not have to hide who you are. You have a "place to be" and a place to call a spiritual home with us.

I have nothing I need to straighten out...I am perfectly comfortable with my faith, but, apparently, you were never taught that it is childish to constantly bash anyone who does not think the same way you do all the time, particularly without knowing what you are talking about....so....GROW UP!

[varkam]

54. I think that...

to deny that religion is a factor, even a significant factor, the the push against the GLBT community is to shut your eyes to the things that you would rather not see.

Notice - I did not say that all religion is to blame, or that all religious folks are homophobes, but it seems to me that there are few arguments that can be made for discriminating against GLBT folks aside from the religious angle. A for instance - the mormon church galvanized support for Prop 8 in California.

And there's at least one person here on DU that I can think of that regards homosexuality as an abomination against god.

[polmaven]

55. I can absolutely agree with

what you say...certainly there are religious people who are homophobes...and even some who consider themselves to be religious who are racist.

The poster to whom I was responding, however, made the general statement that "religion" stirs people up into homophobia, and relates that to racism.

My point has been that it is NOT "religion" as a whole, and many times, it isn't even a legitimate "religion" stirring people up.

I guess that, since the Warren affair in particular, but not solely, it has become like open season on the religious here, and I am reacting to that.

As you point out, we are not all homophobic racists because we are people of faith.

I have my own version of WWJD....Where Would Jesus Discriminate?

In my opinion, Jesus did not and would not.

[varkam]

60. I agree with you...

but just so you know (and I'm sure that you do), there are many people who would strongly disagree with you in that they would regard your religion as false and their jesus certainly would discriminate against anyone not exactly like them.

[wolfgangmo]

61. Morals police.

Sorry, but you are neither our mom or the morals police.

I have to say that I agree with others here. Saying "grow up" is not constructive nor logical and reveals an immature grasp of logic.

[noiretextatique]

7. no it's the "genocide"

per one comment: "white people are having less babies because they are too busy working to support non-whites"
people actually believe this shit.

[Spangle]

14. So, instead of breeding...

Which sounds like a whole lot more fun, he decided to take his genes out of the pool.

Bye Idiot! Glad you will not be making more like you.

[noiretextatique]

33. well he did rape a woman

i don't recall if he killed her, but his revulsion for non-whites didn't stop him from raping her.
i agree: thanks for sparing us your spawn, scum.

[Ozymanithrax]

9. He is not the only one...

http://www.linearpublishing.com/appenstory.html

There are a lot of people out there with the deep down crazies.

[Siwsan]

10. I hear there's going to be room, opening at Gitmo

I think that would be the PERFECT "holding pen" for him and his ilk.

[gratuitous]

11. Oh no, Mr. Luke isn't a terrorist

See, now if he'd torched an unoccupied SUV, then he'd be a terrorist. But just for gunning down a few people in order to intimidate and scare a bunch of colored folks, why, he just a misunderstood hard-workin' fella, sort of like Not-Joe the Not-Plumber. Such as.

[Mari333]

12. check out how many hate groups are in your state

whee. we have 26.

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/map/hate.jsp

[Siwsan]

15. Michigan has The Romanian National Vanguard???

That's a frightening sounding group. I'm going to start hanging garlic at my doorways.

[TWiley]

18. The "bible belt" is still the ass crack of the gun-toting supremists

Only California tops them with 80

[Iggo]

42. 80.

[Barack_America]

62. Why do they list Nation of Islam as a "hate group"?

And also the New Black Panther Party?

I don't recall hearing of a hate crime committed by either of these groups.

:shrug:

[ieoeja]

64. For preaching anti-Semitism.

The people at the website that inspired the shooting spree in the original post probably have not committed any hate crimes either. But someone reading their shit did.

So it is a list of "hate" groups, not "hate crime" groups.


I dunno about the New Black Panther Party. I do know I have been encountering non-stop since Obama's election the meme that it is racist to celebrate the election of the first African-American to the Presidency. From that logic it would follow that Jackie Robinson was nothing to celebrate. And that both segregation and opposition to segregation would be racist as the latter is based on getting rights for people based on race. Ultimately, any person/group working on a racial issue would be racist according to this dumbass logic.

Some people clearly do not understand the difference between racist and racial.

[Barack_America]

66. So then why not include any number of Fundamentalist Christian churches?

Rife with anti-Semitism, they are.

:shrug:

[ieoeja]

71. Black Separatist. I just checked out the provided link for Illinois.

19 of the 23 hate groups are White hate groups
2 are Black (Nation and New Black Panther Party)
1 Christian
1 Jew

Anyone who hints at violence based on identity politics would seem to be the criteria used by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

[TWiley]

21. His Picture and Biography ........

His picture is here:


Six months ago, he hatched what prosecutors called an “evil plan” — to kill as many blacks, Jews and Hispanics as he could. He bought a 9mm handgun and 200 rounds of ammunition from a man outside a Brockton middle school and used his mother’s credit card to buy handcuffs, a gag and a blindfold, according to court papers.

The day of Jan. 21 was targeted — at least in part — because Temple Beth Emunah on Torrey Street had scheduled bingo for that evening, and Luke wanted to open fire inside the building, according to court records. The day was also the birthday of Luke’s father, though it’s unclear if that was a reason he picked Jan 21.

The rampage began shortly after noon at the Clinton Street apartment building Luke had once lived in with his mother. There he handcuffed and raped a 20-year-old Cape Verdean woman for nearly a half hour, then shot and critically wounded her as she cowered on the floor holding a stuffed teddy bear, according to court papers.

While he was in the apartment, the victim’s 22-year-old sister arrived and Luke shot her to death as she tried to flee, according to court records. He then fired his gun at several people who tried to help the woman, authorities said.

As Luke drove away, he saw an elderly Cape Verdean man pushing a shopping cart of cans down Clinton Street and shot him to death, according to court papers.

As police gave chase, Luke opened fire on the cruisers before crashing his large black van into several vehicles at the intersection of Court and North Quincy streets, according to court records. He surrendered to police when he ran out of ammunition, according to the records.


Looks like more regulation is needed ......... Luke had a long history of mental illness, and the system failed again.

[Catherine Vincent]

23. Lock him up and throw away the key! nt

[TWiley]

25. as if rape and a gun shot is not horrific enough ......

I mean ..... holy shit !

[NutmegYankee]

31. Why are white supremicists so butt ugly?

Shit if that's the look of the master race, then it needs to die out.

[LeftHander]

68. young chubby W...same narrow beady eyes....nt

[Ian David]

26. Looks like he thought future of The White Race may have been at the bottom of a bag of Doritos.

Man-Boobs: It's What Hitler Would have wanted.

[ihatehannity]

28. hannity told him to do it

10 bucks says Hannity supports this movement

[TK421]

36. Luke.....may the dumbass be with you n/t

[leftofthedial]

40. Gawd bless Amurka!

This turd is proof of white superiority, que no?

[RJ Connors]

52. I am much more concerned about domestic terrorism in America

than any Muslim terrorism. The main difference being that the right wing Christian terrorist are already here and instead of using guns and bombs they co-opt and corrupt the government which is much more concerning.

[IsItJustMe]

56. When will these right wing hate groups be taken off the air?

[BreweryYardRat]

63. Guys like this are why I support the death penalty.

There's no ambiguity in the case, no possibility that he could be innocent/framed, so far as I can tell: He did it, there are multiple eyewitnesses who saw him with the gun in his hands, and he not only admitted to it, he was PROUD of it, which rules out the possibility of a forced confession.

This lack of ambiguity ought to prevent procedural errors or prosecutorial misconduct in the trial. Which should rule out most, if not all, grounds for appeal. (Not a lawyer -- any who are, please list any possible grounds for appeal that this slimeball might have remaining.)

Since there's no ambiguity and minimal grounds for appeal, we ought to be (I don't think we currently are) able to speed up the execution and give him the needle within a year or two. Which is much cheaper than life in prison, and prevents the risk that during a life term, he might attempt to kill guards and/or prisoners of the ethnic/religious groups he was bigoted against. (Which appears to be everyone who's not a white Protestant or Catholic.)

[Lance_Boyle]

69. one other argument against frying him at taxpayer expense

is the prospect of "martyring" the demented fuckwit in the eyes of his fellow pondscum. Stick him in supermax for life.

[BreweryYardRat]

72. Point. But...

...the money saved by frying him within 2 years or so, rather than letting him rot in supermax for 50-70 years, could be used for government efforts against the sort of pondscum who'd consider him a "martyr."

[RB TexLa]

65. And there are millions and millions of more Americans just like him.