I'm for gun control, and against abortion,

[Swede]

Your right to own a gun or have an abortion trumps my objections.

[Deja Q]

1. I am typically against abortion too.

It's a human life, damn it.

But life shouldn't be created so haphazardly; look at the mess our own country is in. And that of others, but at least they seem to have a future unlike us?

Then look at politicians' hypocrisy; blasting and having no sympathy whatsoever our own children who have children and diseases because they were had through acts of choice... then going to other countries and giving them all the pity and money in the world. Damn right I have a problem with that, when it's taxpayer money.

Or is it not hypocrisy because we Americans ought to know better and the stereotype claims the poor in third world countries have no choice but to screw each other as there's nothing else for them to do, is that it? :eyes: *sigh* I know I'm missing something, probably something obvious...

[Swede]

2. I think education is the answer H.

Both here and abroad.

[Swede]

3. But really,why do guys have to have a 50 shot banana clip?

Hear in Canada 5 shot clips are the max.

[Swede]

3 shot for a shotgun.

makes sense to me.

[Swede]

4. 3 shot for a shotgun.

makes sense to me.

[ThomWV]

6. My State Requires A Plug In A Shotgun (3 Shell Max)

I have an old humpback Browning that will hold 5 shells but has the required plug in it to limit the number of shells that the gun can contain to the legal requirement of 3. By contrast my pistol holds 10 rounds and my wife's pistol holds 13.

By the way, I am pro-choice in EVERYTHING.

[scrinmaster]

7. That three shot limit is just for hunting, right?

nt

[scrinmaster]

8. It's called a magazine, not a clip.

Roughly 3% of all murders involve a rifle or shotgun of any type, including hunting accidents. More people are beaten or kicked to death.

[aikoaiko]

9. In truth, very few people have 50 or 100 round magazines.

50 round and 100 round magazines are really costly and there's a greater chance of malfunctioning.

Mostly, people have 30 rounders. And shotgun mags typically max out at 12 and most people have 5 - 8 in a magazine.

For me, the simple answer for why I need a 30 round mag in my AR is that I might need more than 5 rounds someday. Its unlikely, but if I'm going to own a carbine for self-defense purposes, it might as well be outfitted with a useful amount of rounds. Couple that with fact that legislating that I only use 5 round mags will not have any effect on criminals who could easily get and use >5 round magazines.

On a more everyday level, it saves on reloading time at the range. :)

[slackmaster]

11. Nobody has to have one

People who like to piss away a lot of money on ammunition find them handy.

The proper term is magazine BTW.

[madokie]

5. I'm against gun control and for abortion

I myself don't own guns nor do I need an abortion but it is everyones right to have either and that trumps me
:hi:

[slackmaster]

10. I applaud you for your reasonable attitude

I respect your right not to allow guns in your home, or not to have an abortion.

[Clark2008]

13. Psssttt... I don't believe madoakie would ever need an abortion.

He's a he. ;)

:hi:

[berni_mccoy]

12. Making Laws to Solve Real Problems Is Sometimes *Not* the Answer

In the case of Abortion, making a law to illegalize abortion is not going to stop abortions. It will only criminilize it. But women, mostly minority, who don't have the resources to support a child, will still get abortions. Only they won't be safe.

To reduce abortion, you need social programs that are now seriously lacking under 12 years of Republican controlled Congress and 6+ years of total GOP controlled gov't. For a single, minority woman to choose having a baby over abortion means having resources and services (health-care, aide, etc) to support the child. And to prevent unwanted pregnancies, we need more money to base educational facilities and sexual educational options that don't limit birth control as an option. This will go much further than 'faith' based initiatives and they do not have to be non-exclusive. Some religions would force abstinence even though it means increased unwanted pregnancies and abortions. They need to see the bigger picture, that greater harm is done by failed policy.

On gun rights, I'm 100% with you, but some of these guns are as lethal as explosives. Large caliber, fully automatic, military grade weapons do not belong in the hands of the average citizen. Explosives are tightly controlled, and you must be heavily licensed to use them. Why not the same for these increadibly powerful weapons that are available today. I'm not saying people can't have them. But it should be illegal not to be licensed for these types of weapons. It won't stop criminals from gaining access, but it will limit stupid people from harming innocent people.

[slackmaster]

15. Fully automatic weapons and anything over 50 caliber is tightly controlled already

...Large caliber, fully automatic, military grade weapons do not belong in the hands of the average citizen. Explosives are tightly controlled, and you must be heavily licensed to use them. Why not the same for these increadibly powerful weapons that are available today. I'm not saying people can't have them. But it should be illegal not to be licensed for these types of weapons.

Fully automatic firearms ("machineguns") and large-caliber weapons other than shotguns are strictly regulated and have been for almost 75 years. Your misunderstanding is a common one, and is likely the result of exposure to propaganda.

It won't stop criminals from gaining access, but it will limit stupid people from harming innocent people.

Google National Firearms Act of 1934. It has been 100% successful in stopping criminal misuse of lawfully owned automatic weapons. There has never been a serious effort to de-regulate those military-grade weapons.

[benEzra]

17. Those guns are already subject to the same laws as explosives...

On gun rights, I'm 100% with you, but some of these guns are as lethal as explosives. Large caliber, fully automatic, military grade weapons do not belong in the hands of the average citizen. Explosives are tightly controlled, and you must be heavily licensed to use them. Why not the same for these increadibly powerful weapons that are available today. I'm not saying people can't have them. But it should be illegal not to be licensed for these types of weapons. It won't stop criminals from gaining access, but it will limit stupid people from harming innocent people.

All automatic weapons are subject to the same restrictions as explosives. Possession of ANY automatic weapon without Federal authorization (BATFE Form 4) is a 10-year Federal felony under the Title 2/Class III provisions of the National Firearms Act.

[VelmaD]

14. if you're against abortion...

then don't have one...it's that easy

[ourbluenation]

16. Nobody is "for" abortion. n/t

[Xenotime]

18. That may be your opinon...

but it's not the truth. There are people who are for abortion as a form of birth control.

[Coventina]

19. Actually, there is a local doctor that is definitely "for" abortion

He's said up front that the more abortions, the better.

Since it's his bread and butter, I can understand.