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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 08:04 AM
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"You have to admire the French."
Edited on Sat Jan-31-09 08:06 AM by JohnyCanuck
Paris When it Sizzles: The French Say No to Fat-Cat Bailouts
Written by Chris Floyd

You have to admire the French. The ordinary people there know how to stick up for themselves – instead of meekly bowing down and accepting whatever bitter gruel the elite tries to cram down their throats. And they don't just write a few angry letters (or blog posts!), or send checks to some worthy progressive organization to organize a few mildly admonishing ads or press releases on their behalf. Hell no, they take to the streets, by the millions, they shut things down, they make some noise, they put their time, their jobs, and their bodies on the line.

Yesterday saw another remarkable display of this national trait, as an astonishingly broad spectrum of the French citizenry surged through the streets of Paris to express their outrage at the government's response to the economic crisis. This response has been the usual doling out of billions in public money for the fat cats who caused the crisis, coupled with increasing demands for "sacrifice" from the hoi polloi: less pay, longer hours, fewer benefits, a bleaker life for you and your children while the elite party on.

But on Thursday, an estimated 2.5 million people – blue-collar workers and white-collar professionals, educators and students, doctors and train drivers, native-born and immigrants – came out to tell the government: "We are not going to pay for the greed and corruption of the elite! Find another way!" The contrast to the stunned, herd-like reaction of the American and British publics to their governments' gorging of corrupt oligarchs with no-strings largess could not be more striking.

II.
The outpouring on Thursday was a culmination of discontent toward the government of President Nicolas Sarkozy – known as "the American" not only for his amped-up PR style (and celebrity wife) but even more for his zeal to impose the harsh work regimen and vast social and economic inequalities of the Anglo-American model on France. He was demanding the "sacrifices" noted above long before the economic crisis began, while also constructing an ever-more power-friendly "national security state" along Anglo-American lines. As Agnes Poirier notes in the Guardian:

Sarkozy has spent his 20 months in power systematically weakening the forces that maintain the balance of power in a democracy. First, parliament: a reform being fought by the opposition aims to reduce drastically the amount of time spent debating bills, so limiting the ability of the opposition to question ministers and propose amendments - all in the name of efficiency. Second, the legal system: among Sarkozy's reforms are harsher sentences, life terms for certain mentally ill criminals and sex offenders, and the abolition of the "investigative magistrate" - the cornerstone of the French legal system since 1811. Third, education: tens of thousands of teachers have lost their jobs while 5,000 "truant hunters" have been created - less teaching, more policing. Fourth, information: the president has in effect created a state-appointed and state-controlled media network, while helping media baron friends carve up advertising revenues.

http://www.chris-floyd.com/component/content/article/3/1691-paris-when-it-sizzles-france-says-no-to-fat-cat-bailouts.html
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 08:15 AM
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1. Viva la France!
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 08:33 AM
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3. Not to get too technical on you, but the French would say:
"Vive la Françe." :hi:
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 01:13 PM
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15. Actually there is no cedilla under the "c" in France. My bad too!
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 01:16 PM
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16. As my wonderful aunt was wont to utter when things didn't quite fit another's viewpoint...
Edited on Sat Jan-31-09 01:17 PM by HCE SuiGeneris
C'est la poop!

:P
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 01:11 AM
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22. Not to get too technical, but the French wouldn't put a cedille in "France". nt
Edited on Sun Feb-01-09 01:11 AM by Critters2
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 08:35 AM
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4. With respect, my best buddy, a French Citizen, would put it "Vive la France."
BTW I love her accent! :-) :hi:
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 08:46 AM
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5. My bad. I took Spanish. Ugh.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 08:28 AM
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2. Instead this month, 2 million Americans took to the streets to cheer on the same old shit
different day.

Which is why nothing will change until Americans become more like the French. I've been saying that for awhile now around here.
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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 09:36 AM
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8. Why can't 2 million Amercians take to the streets to protest...

to protest these bailouts!

Don't they understand their hard earned tax dollars are going to the wealthy banksters?

:crazy:

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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 10:38 AM
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9. Banksters = Gangsters.
I would love to be a part of that protest, I'll tell you that.

So let me know when it's happening, kay? But I won't be holding my breath while I wait.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 12:59 AM
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19. At least 2 million Americans came to the streets.
It's a start.
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remember2000forever Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 09:05 AM
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6. FINALLY! I have always admired the French!
Remember "Freedom Fries" ? That was such a ridiculous Domestic U.S. response to the French not bowing to American Politics and Policy.

The French have always listened to their own hearts and minds. Very anti-war. Vive La French!
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 09:10 AM
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7. excellent that they're protesting but....
....somebody elected sarkozy.
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europegirl4jfk Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 12:49 PM
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11. You are right and he is so awful!
People here in France only start to realize it now. My best friend voted for him :(. He is our French Bush and there is no Obama in sight.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 10:57 AM
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10. The French can do it because
they have unions. If American workers skip out of work, they will be fired -- and scavengers will rush in to take their jobs.

This is why it was necessary for the corporatists to destroy the unions -- so this sort of thing couldn't happen here.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 12:55 PM
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12. They elected Sarkozy. They have a horrendous racism problem.
Edited on Sat Jan-31-09 01:00 PM by Occam Bandage
Their government tends towards xenophobia, and their economy is sluggish. No, I don't have to "admire" them. No country is really worth admiring.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 01:13 PM
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14. Any comment on the gist of the article?
Holy crap. Think you missed the point on this one, OB.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 01:22 PM
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17. Sure, if you like. I just felt like commenting on the ridiculous francophilia it was dipped in.
I mean, I'll be the first to defend France against claims of military cowardice, economic failure, snobbery, or "socialism," but claiming that they're an enlightened people to emulate is preposterous so long as there are race riots and crowds shouting "France for the French" for Le Pen.

I like their history of strong labor and of labor solidarity. I'm mixed on this particular action. I think there needs to be far more suspicion of finance bailouts than there has been, and the lack of oversight has led to some utterly egregious abuses of the bailout cash; for all we know, some firms haven't invested a cent of that. At the same time, I don't believe that financial bailout packages are necessarily a form of class warfare; without credit, the economy collapses entirely, and I think the American bailout was useful in that it seems to have at least halted the national financial collapse (which is, remember, not the same as an economic collapse). Of course, we have no idea what would have happened had we not passed such a bailout, so any argument is probably more based on an attempt to prove a political point than actual analysis.

I don't know about the condition of the French finance system, so I don't know the degree to which these protests are valid. If they result in strict oversight and increased government control in financial markets, then the protests will have been something to which Americans ought aspire. If they result in the unraveling of a necessary and fair investment package, then they will have been well-intentioned but counterproductive.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 01:32 PM
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18. Ah.
Well expressed. :thumbsup:

It is the spine of the people to rise up in opposition to a perceived injustice that is admirable of the French in this instance. And others...
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 01:09 PM
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13. I never did see why Americans look down on the French.
I know they don't like it when you don't speak the language properly and they smoke like a coal fired power plant and drink like fish but they do live longer than we do mainly because they cared enough about having national single payer health care. Remember they were our grateful friends after WW2 and we have the Statue of Liberty for show for it.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 01:10 AM
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21. They gave us the Statue of Liberty in 1886. Did they know ahead of time
that they'd be grateful after WW2? :shrug:
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 01:05 AM
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20. Don't tell me the French don't know how to fight.
:bounce:

Nobody bashes the French around me...
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 01:15 AM
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23. K&R. FDR recognized the need for an expanded Bill of Rights, why don't we now? n/t
:kick: & R


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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 01:17 AM
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24. Sarkozy is a neocon
period
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