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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 01:19 PM
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Pat Tillman’s Super Bowl
Edited on Sat Jan-31-09 01:37 PM by kpete
“Most members of that Committee haven’t the ethical sense to qualify for wiping Pat’s ass. Instead they kissed Donald Rumsfeld’s, Richard Meyers’, and John Abazaid’s. I’ll be coming back to this shameful and anemic display. It’s emblematic of not just Congress, but in particular of Democrats who continue to tip-toe around anything to do with the war as if they’re walking through a rattlesnake pit.”

Stan Goff
The Fog Of Fame: Pat Tillman as Everyone’s Political Football
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....59192.html




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Pat Tillman’s Super Bowl
By: emptywheel Saturday January 31, 2009 8:34 am

VIDEO TRIBUTE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSWh6fvsPYE&eurl=http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/31/pat-tillmans-super-bowl/

When the Arizona Cardinals take the field tomorrow, the most famous Cardinal will not be with them.

I speak, of course, of Corporal Pat Tillman, who left the NFL after 9/11 to serve in the Army Rangers. Tillman was killed by friendly fire in Afghanistan on April 22, 2004. For months after his death, he was used as a propaganda tool to glorify Bush's failed wars. The exposure of the truth behind Tillman's death has since turned him into a symbol of the duplicity of the Bush Administration, the fight for the truth, and the futility of the war itself.

Shortly after his death, the Bush Administration (already campaigning for the 04 election) pointed to his sacrifice. Karl Rove waxed, "How does our country continue to produce men and women like this." On May 1, 2004, Bush again focused on Tillman's sacrifice in a speech at the White House Correspondent's dinner.

The loss of Army Corporal Pat Tillman last week in Afghanistan brought home the sorrow that comes with every loss, and reminds us of the character of the men and women who serve on our behalf. Friends say that this young man saw the images of September the 11th, and seeing that evil, he felt called to defend America. He set aside a career in athletics and many things the world counts important: wealth and security and the acclaim of the crowds. He chose, instead, the rigors of Ranger training and the fellowship of soldiers and the hard duty in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Corporate Tillman asked for no special attention. He was modest because he knew there were many like him, making their own sacrifices. They fill the ranks of the Armed Forces. Every day, somewhere, they do brave and good things without notice. Their courage is usually seen only by their comrades, by those who long to be free, and by the enemy. They're willing to give up their lives, and when one is lost, a whole world of hopes and possibilities is lost with them.

This evening, we think of the families who grieve, and the families that wait on a loved one's safe return. We count ourselves lucky that this new generation of Americans is as brave and decent as any before it. (Applause.) And we honor with pride and wonder the men and women who carry the flag and the cause of the United States.


Not only did Bush invoke 9/11 in his statements in spite of DOD insistence that there was no support for such a statement, but he neglected to mention that DOD had already determined that Tillman was killed by friendly fire, a heroic but pointless sacrifice that perhaps better embodies the stupidity of Bush's wars.

more at:
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/31/pat-tillmans-super-bowl/#more-36686

I raise Tillman today because, as his mother Mary pointed out in an interview last spring, no one has yet been held accountable for turning Tillman's death into a propaganda fiction.

And there is just—the bottom line is, no one has been held accountable for anything. There have been people that have had some slaps on the wrist for doing certain things, but—and some people have just been scapegoated.

(snip)

I would like someone to be held accountable. I’d like for them to discover and try to discover who was involved with this cover-up. It’s a horrible thing that they did. And I think that if people don’t see that, it’s very sad, because it means that we have been numbed to all the lies and deceptions that we’ve been faced with during these last eight years.

http://www.democracynow.org/2008/5/22/mary_tillman_mother_of_slain_nfl

Tomorrow there will be other heroes wearing red--undoubtedly Spidey Fitzgerald, maybe, if he can elude Pittsburgh's blitzes, Kurt Warner. And, I suppose, it's appropriate that we get a fresh face like Fitzgerald to represent Arizona this year. It's a new year, a new President, there's much talk of looking forward.

But we should never forget the heroism and fight for truth that Pat Tillman and his family have come to represent.

more at:
http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/01/31/pat-tillmans-super-bowl/#more-36686
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 01:26 PM
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1. Tillman was awesome
in every way

:patriot:
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 02:20 PM
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5. Idealistic, gullible, naive, and possibly murdered
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 02:27 PM
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6. I can't support that
"possibly" doesn't apply
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 03:51 PM
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9. He was not murdered.
It's disgusting to speculate.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 04:54 AM
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19. Really? A tight pattern of three American bullets in his forehead?
Edited on Sun Feb-01-09 04:57 AM by tom_paine
A medical coverup later revealed during the investigation through released e-mails boasting of the suppression of investigation.

Tillman's armor destroyed and his journal confiscated.

You're some kind of cop, Cap'n. And you are right. There is no possible way that ANYTHING other than the Official Government Story could have happened.

It IS disgusting to speculate.

Know what?

It's also disgusting to speculate if those six million Jewish Terrorists the Nazis killed were actually murdered for some other reason. Disgusting. How dare we doubt the Official Story?

(do I really need to say :sarcasm: )

Whenever a Coincidence Theorist comes in with absolutist talk, I am reminded of the six million Jewish Terrorists the Nazis executed for their crimes. I used to question the Official German Government Story about that. But, when I hear the searing and brilliant logic in your post, I remember that it is disgusting to speculate about such things and disgusting to question the Official Story.

Because governments don't lie. EVER. They NEVER carry out political assassinations or extra-judicial murder. They have never EVER, not ONCE in the whole history of mankind EVER murdered one of their own citizens...unless they committed crimes like those Jewosh Terrorists the Nazis incarcerated in their many jails around Germany in the 1940s. That's all they were, you know. Jails. That's the Official Story and I believe it because I agree with you that it is disgusting to speculate beyond what we are told by those in charge.

:sarcasm:

:rofl:

Thanks, guy. You remind me that we should NEVER ask ANY questions and that the Official Story is always TRUE.

:rofl:
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 06:23 AM
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21. Stan Goff doesn't agree
http://www.counterpunch.org/goff08102007.html

Let me say for the record, again, that I do not believe that Pat Tillman was targeted for assassination.

A second lieutenant and an infantry sergeant are not tasked with anything as politically sensitive as assassination. I am speaking as an alumnus of Delta Force, one of the few organizations that actually might be entrusted with this kind of operation (and then only very rarely). It doesn’t matter what you see in the movies.

The decisions that placed Pat Tillman at exactly the place and exactly the time of his death were made ad hoc, on the spot, at a series of junctures that could not have been controlled, including a vehicle that unexpectedly broke down, one key decision made by an Afghan jinga truck driver and Pat’s own decision (following two on-the-spot decisions by members of his platoon in direct response to a completely unexpected situation) to move forward into the position where he was shot.

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 12:19 PM
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22. War is dangerous and confusing. Bad things happen for which no one is speicifically responsible.
Confluence of events, as it were.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 12:33 PM
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24. Absolutely true. I can admit that. Can you admit that criminals also use the cover
of the fog of war...sometimes, to cover their activities and/or make it look like an "accident of war" in the "fog of war"?

Skepticism cuts both ways, ESPECIALLY when dealing with criminal authoritarian personalityies like Nazis and Bushies, both leaders and followers.

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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 01:32 PM
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25. ...And that Republicon chickenhawks diliberately lied about Tillman
...to glorify their phony war (really an oil-profits crusade for the sake of fatcat republicon oil cronies).

Republicons used Tillman like toilet paper, the way they have lied to our other sons and daughters in uniform, and used them for false purposes...
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 08:17 PM
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26. Yes, that can happen.
Goff is a solid leftie with extensive military street cred, though. He has been in contact with the Tillman family and is as upset as anyone about the way Pat's death was used. I'm not ready to blow off his well-informed opinion that it was not a hit.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 12:31 PM
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23. Probably not. But he sure as hell was Jessica Lynch'd! Used and abused
after capture/death. Lied about by their government and expected just to shut up and go along with it.

You may be right about the 'murdered' part. But you still don't have any moral highground.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 03:51 PM
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10. Think before you type. nt
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Onceuponalife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 03:25 AM
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15. He was NOT gullible or naive
He joined the military in the desire to do something for his country and possibly having a hand in bringing bin Laden to justice. He fought in Afghanistan willingly but he was against our invasion of Iraq. He was well read and was known to carry Chomsky books around. He openly questioned the priorities and motives of the Bush admin. which makes it all the more suspicious the manner of his death. His mother raised him right and he was not gullible.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 05:08 AM
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20. He was gullible to think the Bushies had let him live once his atheism and poltiics became known.
Edited on Sun Feb-01-09 05:08 AM by tom_paine
Combined with his celebrity and his unimpeachable character, he is literally the ONLY PERSON who could have swayed the 2004 election into an unstealable victory by Kerry.

He could have gotten through to millions of Stupid White Men, a demographic which, by it'scontinued massive suppor of the Bushies, show ourselves to be the stupidest of all demographics in this country, and the most gullible.

His naivete was in not assuming the Bushies would want to murder him, or would not be able to easily find somone to kill that atheist unAmerican Traitor which is how the Bushies see American Patriots.

Was Tillman murdered? 99% certain.

And I am sure the murderers have been handsomely rewarded and promoted in the intelligence community for their service. Make no mistake.

Tillman's murderers could almost certainly be tracked by investigation. Who were the cutouts who most recently arrived that were on the scene of the Tillman murder?

Did they leave soon after, and where are they now? What? Those people don't exist, you say? Find out who they REALLY were, and then track their meteoric recent rises in the intelligence community.

NOW you know who to focus the investigation on. Naturally, this will never happen. Tillman's murderers walk free..."for the good of the country".

Same old, same old. We've been letting Bushie Treasonists and Murderers go "for the good of the country" for 75 years now. It's an American Tradition.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml
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Onceuponalife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-09 10:57 PM
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28. Your hypothesis makes no sense
He was much more valuable as a propaganda tool alive than dead. It's easy to come in here and scream murder when you don't have to produce any evidence. And believe me, I could believe he was silenced...if there was any evidence and if it made any sense. Pat Tillman was a hero to me. He grew up near where I lived for 26 years (recently moved), so I have been following his story closely. There is no evidence that his untimely death was attributable to anything other than incompetence of leadership and the fog of war. It's possible the soldier who shot him heard him when he identified himself. Maybe that soldier didn't like him and decided spur of the moment to take him out. Maybe even his commander instructed him to take him out if he got the chance. But without evidence there is no reason for a reasonable person to conclude that. But of course it fits comfortably in some peoples' conspiracy theories so it's easy to make that leap.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 01:34 PM
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2. A salute to Pat Tillman -- and the truth
Edited on Sat Jan-31-09 01:57 PM by SpiralHawk
The Chickenhawk Republicon Homelanders used you badly. May you be honored for the truth of your life and death.

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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 01:37 PM
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3. The Tillmans deserve the TRUTH.
Edited on Sat Jan-31-09 01:38 PM by AzDar
:grr:
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 01:59 PM
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4. Amen
From Mother Jones

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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 02:28 PM
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7. "...Pat's worm dirt"
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 03:50 PM
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8. I'm rooting for Pitt, but with Warner and Tillman for the Cardinals, it's tough. nt
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fchurch66 Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 03:53 PM
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11. Tillman was going to meet with Noam Chomsky
He would have been a great activist. Hoping the Cardinals win. For him.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 03:15 AM
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12. Arizona State should rename their stadium after Pat Tillman like Iowa did for Nile Kinnick...
Edited on Sun Feb-01-09 03:16 AM by calipendence
Nile Kinnick was also one of Iowa's best football heroes who died in a war too young. It would be a fitting tribute!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 03:19 AM
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14. Agreed
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 08:34 PM
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27. Well though Arizona State Stadium isn't renamed, there are other tributes it appears...
There's a statue in front of University of Phoenix Stadium honoring Pat...



http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/31/sports/football/31tillman.html?ref=sports

A U.S.O. Center in Afghanistan where soldiers are watching the superbowl has been named for him.

Cardinal's Stadium plaza is going to be named for Tillman, and a business school scholarship at Arizona State University will be in Tillman's name.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1788876

And if they ever name Sun Devil Stadium to Tillman Stadium like they did for Kinnick in Iowa, I hope they respect him for someone that was larger than just a football player to many folks out there like they did for Kinnick, when they showed him there as a student, not a football player...



Not sure how he should be shown, but it should appreciate the whole person of Pat, not just the soldier or the football player.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 03:17 AM
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13. Just an FYI: Tillman isn't counted among the 4,000+ "official" dead.
I remember some newspaper posted the full list online and I looked for his name; it wasn't there.

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Onceuponalife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 03:27 AM
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16. He died in Afghanistan not Iraq
that's probably why...
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 03:42 AM
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18. True, but I think the list was for both.
A few of us on DU discussed it and several of us (me included) thought it might have been because he died from "friendly fire."

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-09 03:41 AM
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17. As long as it's clear that anyone suggesting that being a Steelers fan is unpatriotic...
can fucking go to hell, such a tribute is nice.

Although I don't really care, I predict the Cards are gonna get smoked by 20.
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