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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 06:32 PM
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Octuplets Mom Worked in a Fertility Clinic
Edited on Sat Jan-31-09 06:44 PM by NashVegas
The woman who gave birth to octuplets had previously worked in a fertility clinic, it has been claimed.

Thirty-three-year-old single mother Nadya Suleman-Guiterrez gave birth to the eight babies, despite already having six children all under the age of seven, The Sun reports today.

A neighbour said her other children were also born using IVF and that all 14 were by the same sperm donor, the paper says.

...

She (Suleman's mom) also told the Los Angeles Times that her husband - the babies' grandfather - is returning to work as a contractor in Iraq to help support his rapidly-expanded family.



I'm starting to think there's something very "icky" about all of this ... the father listed on the birth certificates of the oldest four is David Solomon.



During an interview on CBS's The Early Show, Michael Tucker, scientific director of Georgia Reproductive Specialists, said: 'As the story's unfolded and it's gone from the potential use of just fertility drugs, or misuse thereof, to actual, apparently, IVF (in-vitro fertilization) with transfer of embryos, this is just remarkable to me that any practitioner in our field of reproductive medicine would undertake such a practice.'

The host asked Dr Tucker, who has a doctorate in reproductive physiology.

'Had she walked into a fertility clinic and said, "Listen, I've got other children, the oldest seven, the youngest two," is there any ethical responsibility on the clinic's part to say, "I'm not going to treat you," or, "You know what? This is not a good idea"?''

Dr Tucker's reply was unequivocal: 'I'm stunned, actually, that a clinic would proceed to treat a patient in this circumstance.'



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1131343/Mother-octuplets-worked-IVF-clinic.html
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 06:36 PM
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1. What if you were the sperm donor?
It very well could be someone anonymous, but the GM has claimed they all belonged to the same father.
If she worked there, she would have access to that information. Is that ethical either? Shouldn't she have to shop somewhere else? Wow. This incident has brought on all manner of ethical dilemma.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 06:39 PM
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2. I Have Yet To See a Single Medical Ethicist Say This Was Hunky Dory
Edited on Sat Jan-31-09 06:42 PM by NashVegas
Every report and quote I've seen condemns it.

FYI, the birth certificates of the oldest kids lists David Solomon.

David. Soloman.

Think about it.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 08:01 PM
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22. And, think about this little nugget: Soloman = Suleman
"The name Suleman is from the ancient Anglo-Saxon culture of Britain. It is derived from the baptismal name Soloman, which was an ancient personal name. Baptismal names began to appear as surnames relatively late in the growth of the naming tradition."

"Nevertheless, surnames derived from baptismal names grew in popularity during the Middle Ages, and have become one of the foremost sources for surnames."

http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.fc/qx/suleman-family-crest.htm

:crazy:
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 08:06 PM
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24. Bingo
I did some reading around. Suleman seems to be an assumed name. 10 years ago, the guy was Ed Doud, now he's Ed D. Suleman.


I'm assuming everyone already gets the biblical references David and Solomon.
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jannyk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 09:26 PM
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29. Oh fuck! Doud IS David in some Islamic cultures - please...
Edited on Sat Jan-31-09 09:27 PM by jannyk
don't tell me the grandfather is the sperm donor - pleeeeease NO!!!!

Ed Doud Suleman = Ed David Solomon = Grandad

"Father" listed as David Solomon - this is too sick
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 09:47 PM
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31. Is It? I Wondered About That
Is it her father or her step-father?
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 06:43 PM
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5. reading the post,
"her husband - the babies' grandfather" implies to me that her stepson was the donor?
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 08:48 PM
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28. I wasn't aware of a stepson.
:freak:
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madaboutharry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 06:41 PM
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3. This story keeps evolving.
I can't help wonder what the entire story will reveal. It is just beyond comprehension.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 06:41 PM
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4. This story gets odder and odder
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 06:43 PM
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6. Weird!
Honestly, if she did this with cats, it would be called "hoarding" and the Humane Society would come and take them away.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 06:45 PM
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9. good point. nt
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 06:44 PM
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7. *46* doctors took part in the c-section
Wonder who is going to foot the bill for THAT?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/01/28/national/a041145S71.DTL

And she went into the hospital in her 23rd week. Any guesses on how much the hospital bill alone will be?
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 07:08 PM
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20. Remember this on April the 15th.
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 06:44 PM
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8. Well good.. now she can take care of those 8 kids....
I dont mean to appear insensitive... but did family planning ever figure into her decision? Rush Limbaugh and the Fundys will provide for her.
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 06:48 PM
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10. This is starting to sounds like the Law & Order SVU episode
where the fertility doctor was supposed to use anonymous sperm, but ended up using his own for years.

So many children in the same neighborhood that are actually brothers and sisters...the speculation of the plot was what would happen when all of those children started to meet up in the neighborhood, date, MARRY....

And I do not think this is the last of the surprises.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 06:50 PM
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11. Duer 157099 Had An Interesting Theory In One of The Other Threads
What if they're going for a "Virgin Birth" scenario?

With "David Solomon" listed as father, it may not be that far off.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 06:51 PM
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13. What virgin birth? The woman apparently was married at one time.
Edited on Sat Jan-31-09 06:53 PM by lizzy
She got divorced in 2008. Apparently her ex-husband is not the father of her kids.
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/WomensHealth/story?id=6774471&page=1
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 06:51 PM
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12. I guess we all know what one of her "fringe benefits" was, don't we
apparently ALL her 14 children ...aged 7 and UNDER were throught artificial insemination
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 06:57 PM
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14. I don't think this rumor about her working in a fertility clinic
Edited on Sat Jan-31-09 06:58 PM by lizzy
has been confirmed. The link provided in the OP is in the UK paper.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 06:58 PM
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15. I've heard it on CNN and MSNBC..but who knows.. it's a weird story
Edited on Sat Jan-31-09 07:03 PM by SoCalDem
from the beginning to end..
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 07:00 PM
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16. Yeah. And It Could Just Be Coincidence
That Solomon and Suleman are one and the same.

A lot of people pick fake names on birth certificates. Just the idea that she - or whomever - chose to couple it with "David" adds a certain freak factor to it, IMO.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 07:02 PM
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18. I must be missing something.
What exactly is significance of the name "david solomon?"
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 07:04 PM
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19. maybe the inference that she "borrowed" some ..um.. "genetic fluids" from a male family member?
ick
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 08:03 PM
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23. I'm Wondering About That, Yeah
Did some looking around and one story claimed they were from a friend in the neighborhood. And yet, step-daddy Solomon feels the need to go to Iraq and make money to support them?
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 08:08 PM
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25. Post #22
Weird, that's all.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 08:44 PM
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26. Father and son, for one thing.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 07:01 PM
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17. Yep this is one strange story.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 07:23 PM
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21. Her father has to go to Iraq to work to support the daughter's outrageous
Edited on Sat Jan-31-09 07:23 PM by MasonJar
decision! How sick is that? Is the girl all there?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 08:46 PM
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27. Clearly the answer is NO.
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 09:46 PM
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30. OK - let's see - the girl is Iraqi, - could the "donor" be Saddam Hussein?
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makes as much sense as a lot of other stuff I read here . . .

with DNA processing and cloning . . .

it IS possible . .

no?

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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 11:06 PM
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32. I think I saw that movie already
It was called "The Boys from Brazil".
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 11:14 PM
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33. I think you mean "Twins" - DOZENS of blond twins born in a Brazil town that Mengeles lived in
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If it was done in the 60's

It can certainly be done now

Hell - GeeDubya was born less than a year after Hitler's death

something to ponder

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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 11:20 PM
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34. Oh come on. I don't think Mengele had anything to do with the twins.
Edited on Sat Jan-31-09 11:20 PM by LisaL
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 11:59 PM
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37. I respectfully disagree - from the article you posted - "experts say inbreeding is the likely cause
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IMO - inbreeding doesn't work that way

We've been put to sleep by our "leaders" for decades - maybe even centuries

Mengeles was there

he administered health care to the mothers

he was previously experimenting in Germany on genetics

makes ME ponder

:freak:

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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 11:33 PM
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35. Oh man, this whole thing just keeps getting weirder and weirder
I'm just so freakin' grateful it happened somewhere else besides Florida for a change.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-09 11:35 PM
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36. he's returning to work - as a contractor in iraq. another report said he was
former iraq military.

former iraq contractor/military living in us = ? spook or spook-associated.

just a hypothesis.
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