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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 11:33 PM
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Rove is pushing. We need to push back.
Over the past few days, the realization has dawned that the USA purge was conceived and executed for reasons far beyond the usual BushCo petty revenge and blind partisanship - Digby cites a McClatchy story (http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2007/03/rover-fraud-by-digby-mcclatchy-finally.html) that reveals Karl Rove's interest in voter fraud issues, and I read Rove's comments and was reminded of the cliche gangster quote that went something like 'Nice place you have here...be a shame if something happened to it...'

So the USA purge is more than a two-fer - it's a three-fer. Not only did it derail Carol Lam's investigation of Jerry Lewis (which would have shown the public just how corrupt the modern GOP actually is) and install Rove's former head of Oppo Research in Hillary Clinton's home state (and just in time for her presidential run!), but it also installed 'loyal Bushies' in 9 of the 11 states that Rove identified as being 'pivotal' in 2008.

Basically, Rove has rigged the 2008 presidential election, two years in advance.

So how do we fight that? Here's my suggestion...

http://www.blah3.com/article.php?story=20070324232621163
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 11:45 PM
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1. This is exactly what it takes.
Plain and simple. And done in time to be effective.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 11:48 PM
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2. Are our Dem leaders even aware of what Rove is doing?
Have any of them even spoken about his rigging of elections as a result of installing the friendly AGs in those critical states? Sorry to sound so cynical, but I think it's justified.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 11:59 PM
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4. i have not heard a word about this from the Dems.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 01:23 AM
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11. I only heard about it yesterday, which generally means 2 more weeks before
the public hears something.
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pearl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-24-07 11:54 PM
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3. Love your idea
Very Good, this has really come into focus. We must spread this.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:01 AM
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5. and ALL. 102 thousand DU'ers send to congresscritters!! Repugs also-let
them sweat a bit.
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illinoisprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:03 AM
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6. Except it's not about Hillary. It's about congress and voter suppression
It's old news with Hillary. She is not a factor with this scheme. it has to do with Pryor (see one of the emails), the rest of congress and Voter tampering and the thousand year republican reich.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:04 AM
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7. So nominated!!
Great great post.
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caligirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:08 AM
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8. 11th vote to defuse Rove's attempt to undermine the 2008 elections.
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opusprime Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:14 AM
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9. Not to take anything away from your post...
but I think your giving Rove far too much credit.

The 2006 election was only a start. People are leaving the GOP in droves (rhymes with Rove).

Rove is a failure. And by the time 2008 gets here, he will probably be in jail.

The GOP is going to have a hard time recovering from the Bush/Rove era, regardless of who they appoint to USA positions.

Just my opinion.
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:37 AM
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10. Here's hoping you're right, but...
...if this is not uncovered and fought, the nasty little mechanism that Rove has planted may outlive him, metaphorically speaking.

I wish every day for that pasty bastard to be tossed into prison for the rest of his miserable life. But he ain't there yet.

That's why we need to fight it, ASAP.

- as
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 01:25 AM
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12. but, even so, you saw GRiles get off two days ago, in florida the dem clearly won, and the
SOS swore in the republican congressman! this is all happening right now.
the public is completely unaware of most of what is going on, except for the war.
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 03:13 AM
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13. Brilliant! K and R
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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 06:09 AM
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14. early kick
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 07:05 AM
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15. very good ideas
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 08:06 AM
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16. Someone should do an exposé
on that lizard. Listing all the dirty deeds he's been involved in for the last 40 years. It's a monumental task for sure. If there is one font of evil that all other evil in that party spews forth from, that ethical black hole is it.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 08:22 AM
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17. How About The New Jersey Election?
The question that still begs for an answer is not the number of USA's who were fired for not being political toadies, but the ones who did follow Rove's orders...including the USA who attempted to tie Bob Menendez to a scandal involving a former associate that broke in the final weeks of the '06 campaign.

With less Repugnicans in charge of state legislatures and Governor's offices, I see that as the biggest antidote to Repugnican voter supression and other tricks Rove has pulled. Last year put a majority of state governments in Democratic hands...including Ohio, that means it will be Democrats who do the ultimate counting in '08 in many key states.

I really don't think Rove is thinking much about '08. He's got no horse in the race and his "popularity" within the Repugnican hive has fallen greatly since last year. The USA purge was to cover the getaway...shut down some investigations and prevent others from taking root...allowing Rove and his ilk a clean getaway into their Paraguayan retirement.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:54 AM
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20. I think you're missing some stuff
Try these:

New U.S. attorneys seem to have partisan records
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2779726


ROVE IDENTIFIED 11 PIVOTAL STATES FOR '08; BUSH HAS APPOINTED NEW U.S. ATTORNEYS IN NINE OF THEM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x491130


Justice's new U.S. attorneys have partisan records (Dem vote suppression experience!)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2779325


BUSH Appointed Attorney Accused Of Participating In Florida 04-Dem Voter Suppression (McClatchy)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x487446
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 09:33 AM
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18. corrupt and undemocratic nation
Rove should be in jail, along with Cheney and Bush.

That they're not shows how corrupt and undemocratic
this country now is.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:51 AM
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19. Can we tweak it?
It'd probably be fine just as you describe it, but I don't think the elected Congressional delegates ever have had THAT much to do with who got appointed anyway -- or at least, there was never any guarantee. It's not hardwired into the Constitution (I'm pretty sure). So your basic appeal is mushy, at least as I see it.

Now -- these new appointments have been for political reasons, no two ways about it, and there's plenty of circumstantial evidence of that (IMO). So I'd say just go for that angle: These are political appointments, usually appointed once during a term, AND their service is supposed to be Apolitical, and they even swear an oath to that effect. Yet, here is Rove politicizing their service. Justice cannot survive under such machinations.
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:00 AM
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22. To a large degree, you're absolutely right.
But I think theere is an emotional appeal to be made by emphasising the fact that these appointments remove even the small amount of input that a given state's senators and reps would have had in the process.

Arkansas is a perfect example of that. Rove's minion was installed, and he had virtually nothing to do with Arkansas or the people who live there.

If phrased right, it could rile people up pretty good, and that's what we need to do to fight this.

Thanks for the input, everyone. I'll consider all of this when the first ad is put together.

- as
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 01:35 PM
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26. well, I tried. Good luck with it. nt
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 01:49 PM
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27. Did I sound dismissive? I really didn't mean to.
You make some very good points. I don't want to leave the impression that I wasn't taking them seriously.

Thanks again for raising them. I do appreciate it.

- as
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 10:55 AM
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21. IMO, getting Jerry Lewis....
...is a key to so much. This is the SOB who was chair of the House appropriations committee when all that Duke Cunningham was doing was approved by them. THEY HAD TO KNOW. Why is Jerry Lewis walking around and not indicted??? He is sooooo dirty, IMO. When I watched the House hearings on the funding bill the other day, there he is standing at the podium and doling out time to the Repubbies. I just wanted to scream, "This man is up to his eyeballs in corruption!!!
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:43 AM
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23. push, hell
I'll plant my foot in that fat fucks' ass.
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:12 PM
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24. Love your nick.
My favorite band.

- as
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 09:47 PM
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31.  om gosh
soooo funny.
I'm not about the weight jokes, but hearing him called that because he is slovenly and dirty is hilarious!
www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<<--- top stickers and shirts anywhere!
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 11:08 PM
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32. he looks like
Francis, from "Pee Wee's Big Adventure"
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-27-07 03:43 PM
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33. omg...
he DOES look like francis! I wish I was a good graphic artist and not some half decent hack... lol
www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<<--- top 08 stickers & antib&sh stuff
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 01:29 PM
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25. And he was planting Ken Starrs in every state.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 03:06 PM
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28. Way to go. In regard to the ad for the affected states...
Edited on Sun Mar-25-07 03:08 PM by 8_year_nightmare
And ask them if this is the type of government they want - where decisions for their state are being made by political hacks in Washington, DC.

Sometime in the next few days, I will post a sample ad to illustrate what I'm talking about, using either Arkansas or Minnesota as an example.


...how about amending that one concept I've bolded above to, "And ask them if this is the type of government they want -- where decisions for their state are being made by political hacks in Washington, DC, who are pressuring federal judges to act as their puppets for partisan decision-making. After all, justice should be blind toward all political affiliation, shouldn't it?"
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Duppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 04:54 PM
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29. Bravo, AS!
Who would fund the ads?

Please let us know when you have the sample ads ready; I know they'll be goooood!

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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 05:55 PM
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30. Kick.(nt)
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