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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 12:18 AM
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Is anyone familiar with Alan Watts? --- 60s philosopher
We followed him during Nam



On spiritual and social identity

Watts felt that absolute morality had nothing to do with the fundamental realization of one’s deep spiritual identity. He advocated social rather than personal ethics. In his writings, Watts was increasingly concerned with ethics applied to relations between humanity and the natural environment and between governments and citizens. He wrote out of an appreciation of a racially and culturally diverse social landscape. At the same time, he favored representative government rather than direct democracy (which he felt could readily degenerate into mob rule).

He often said that he wished to act as a bridge between the ancient and the modern, between East and West, and between culture and nature.


Alan Wilson Watts (January 6, 1915 – November 16, 1973) was a British philosopher, writer, speaker, and student of comparative religion. He was best known as an interpreter and popularizer of Asian philosophies for a Western audience.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Watts


His podcasts are available for free on iTunes.

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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 12:36 AM
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1. I loved Alan Watts.
I first read him in 1969, I believe. That was a mind-expanding period of time for me. :hippie:
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 12:37 AM
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2. I've heard of him. He's a great writer.
Thanks for the mention. I'm going to rec this thread.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 12:40 AM
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3. "There is no safety in the Cosmos" - Alan Watts
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 12:57 AM
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6. The Cosmos....
And the attitude of faith is the very opposite
of clinging to belief, of holding on.

In other words, a person who is fanatic in matters of religion, and clings to certain ideas about the nature of God and the universe, becomes a person who has no faith at all.


He gives me Pause
to think about it in those words.



Some quotes
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/a/alan_watts.html


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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 12:41 AM
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4. Yes. He was brilliant.
I listened to him every Sunday morning as a young man.

He made Zen concepts easy to understand.
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 12:45 AM
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5. I read just about everything Watts wrote
Starting in my teens and I still reopen a book from time to time. Cloud Hidden, Whereabouts Unknown; Does it Matter?; The Book: The Taboo against Knowing Who You Are; Nature, Man, Woman -- a few of my favorites. In addition to the insightful and deeply meaningful content, his voice and diction were impeccable. To this day I love to read his words. Watts, Gary Snyder, and Henry Miller were early spiritual heroes for me. What they had to say has stayed with me all these years (and I'm 50 now).
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 01:02 AM
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7. My dad (and me by living with him) listened to him religiously every week
I can recall the sound of his voice - he was soothing to me even though I was too young to fully understand his philosophical perspective.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 01:19 AM
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8. Yes, in the 1960s he was on our PBS station in NYC
I was glad to find many of his videos on YouTube.
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 02:55 AM
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11. WMNF 88.5 still carries Alan Watts on Wednesdays at 11AM
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 01:48 AM
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9. Alan Watts: "The World's Most Dangerous Book" . . .
One of the most important essays I read as a young man.

http://www.katinkahesselink.net/other/alan-watts-bible.html

For many centuries the Roman Catholic Church was opposed to translating the Holy Scriptures into the "vulgar tongue.” To this day, you can still get rid of a Bible salesman by saying, "But we are Catholics and, of course, don’t read the Bible.” The Catholic hierarchy included subtle theologians and scholars who knew very well that such a difficult and diverse collection of ancient writings, taken as the literal Word of God, would be wildly and dangerously interpreted if put into the hands of ignorant and uneducated peasants. Likewise, when a missionary boasted to George Bernard Shaw of the numerous converts he had made, Shaw asked, " Can these people use rifles?” "Oh, indeed, yes,” said the missionary. "Some of them are very good shots.” Whereupon Shaw scolded him for putting us all in peril in the day when those converts waged holy war against us for not following the Bible in the literal sense they gave to it. For the Bible says, "What a good thing it is when the Lord putteth into the hands of the righteous invincible might.” But today, especially in the United States, there is a taboo against admitting that there are enormous numbers of stupid and ignorant people, in the bookish and literal sense of these words. They may be highly intelligent in the arts of farming, manufacture, engineering and finance, and even in physics, chemistry or medicine. But this intelligence does not automatically flow over to the fields of history, archaeology, linguistics, theology, philosophy and mythology which are what one needs to know in order to make any sense out such archaic literature as the books of the Bible.

This may sound snobbish, for there is an assumption that, in the Bible, God gave His message in plain words for plain people. Once, when I had given a radio broadcast in Canada, the announcer took me aside and said, "Don’t you think that if there is a truly loving God, He would given us a plain and specific guide as to how to live our lives?”

"On the contrary," I replied, "a truly loving God would not stultify our minds. He would encourage us to think for ourselves." I tried, then, to show him that his belief in the divine authority of the Bible rested on nothing more than his own personal opinion, to which, of course, he was entitled. This is basic. The authority of the Bible, the church, the state, or of any spiritual or political leader, is derived from the individual followers and believers, since it is the believers’ judgment that such leaders and institutions speak with a greater wisdom than there own. This is, obviously, a paradox, for only the wise can recognize wisdom. Thus, Catholics criticize Protestants for following their own opinions in understanding the Bible, as distinct from the interpretations of the Church, which originally issued and authorized the Bible. But Catholics seldom realize that the authority of the Church rests, likewise, on the opinion of its individual members that the Papacy and the councils of the Church are authoritative. The same is true of the state, for, as a French statesman said, people get the government they deserve.

Why does one come to the opinion that the Bible, literally understood, is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Usually because one’s "elders and betters," or an impressively large group of ones peers, have this opinion. But this is to go along with the Bandar-log, or monkey tribe, in Rudyard Kipling’s Jungle Books, who periodically get together and shout, "We all say so, so it must be true!" Having been a grandfather for a number of years, I am not particularly impressed with patriarchal authority. I am of an age with my own formerly impressive grandfathers (one of whom was a fervent fundamentalist, or literal believer in the Bible) and I realize that my opinions are as fallible as theirs.


Much more at the link. . .


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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 02:36 AM
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10. Thanks for the introduction for those
that haven't been exposed to him.


He went further into Zen
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 03:58 AM
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16. "Belief is holding to a rock; faith is learning how to swim and this whole universe swims
in boundless space."

:)
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 03:17 AM
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12. Alan Watts was more than a thinker/philosopher.
I'm convinced he was enlightened. I remember reading a book of his while traveling through India, and one passage kept making my head explode with lighting strikes of realization. Couldn't stop laughing for about a week after that, deep, raucous belly laughs, at the absurdity of all the egoic fears I'd had.

What a blast he was - and still is.

Read his Wisdom Of Insecurity. It's a classic.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 03:43 AM
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13. Alan Watts on Buddhism
A cartoon drawn to accompany one of his lectures.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MbNN9jXTQA

Several of his videos are on YouTube.

Back in the 1970s, he was just about the only author in English on Buddhism, that I knew of.

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buzzycrumbhunger Donating Member (793 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 03:44 AM
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14. I was pleased when my son discovered him
Actually, I think he found him through videos on youtube, where the guys from South Park have made a couple wonderful bits to go along with his talks on "prickles and goo" and how life is a song, not a destination. He subsequently snarfed up all the podcasts and is disappointed there's a finite supply. :)
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 03:47 AM
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15. That guy knew how to party.
Seriously though, his writings were a great introduction to Eastern philosophy for the western world, much like the other Brit, Wei Wu Wei.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wei_Wu_Wei
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trusty elf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 06:25 AM
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17. Yes!
He was a wonderful man whose writings influenced me greatly.

He once wrote an interesting essay called "Wealth versus Money", which, with all of the economic turmoil these days, I feel like reading again.

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WV_Biker Donating Member (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 06:34 AM
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18. Here's one of my favorites...
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OffWithTheirHeads Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 09:18 AM
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19. "The Book" probably shaped my attitude on life more than
any other single thing I can think of.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 09:25 AM
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20. "The Wisdom of Insecurity"
a true gem
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 08:18 PM
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21. I really enjoy him, but i hate itunes
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 09:00 PM
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22.  I listened to him in the 60's and still today
Edited on Tue Feb-03-09 09:01 PM by blues90
He is on Roy of Hollywood here in L.A. on thursday at midnight.

My favorite was his reading of H.L Mencken (Libido for the ugly) and after Alan added his own view on just how things got even worse talking about foods and super highways to Olima CA. And of course PROGRESS and the fate it holds on mankind.
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