Woman accused of having sex with 12-year-old boy

[Mugu]

By Lucas Sullivan, daytondailynews.com

DAYTON - The Montgomery County Prosecutor’s office has approved a rape charge against a 55-year-old woman who allegedly had sex with a neighborhood 12-year-old boy on her birthday.

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The encounter happened late Wednesday, Jan. 28 — Murphy’s birthday — and lasted into the early hours the next day, Patrick Welsh said.

Murphy did not force the boy to have sex, but since the he is younger than 13, it is considered rape, Welsh said.

Police are not releasing any more details to protect the child, Welsh said. Murphy is in jail on $25,000 bond and is expected to appear in court on Feb. 9 at 3:30 p.m.



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[BlooInBloo]

1. This thread is worthless with pics.

[Vattel]

83. OK, now that's funny.

[Captain Hilts]

121. No, it's not. nt

[Sabriel]

111. Ouch! n/t

[TWiley]

124. Those were my prayers when I was 12

just reporting the facts, I am not advocating anything

[Marrah_G]

2. What a sick woman.

The poor kid. I hope they put her away for a very long time if she is guilty.

[FedUpWithIt All]

3. I bet we won't be hearing from the "why wasn't i that lucky when i was a kid" crowd.

This woman just isn't hot enough to elevate this abusive case into envy territory. Double standard.

:eyes:

[Mari333]

4. even if she looked like a playboy bunny, its still child abuse

and anyone who doesnt think that way is sick themselves.

[FedUpWithIt All]

9. I agree. But a young teacher having a similarly consentual relationship with a young student

gets all kinds of praise around these parts. Apparently, the attractiveness IS a factor in whether some people here consider adult/teen sex to be abusive.

[MADem]

25. Who "praises" that behavior? I haven't seen that. What I have seen is

an acknowledgement of the hormonal realities of young males. Telling the truth about physical traits isn't "praise."

Young boys are horny, and they do lust after attractive women, like that crazy blonde teacher. That doesn't make what the teacher did "right," but it does acknowedge that the coercive aspect is less arduous when the person doing the coercing is appealing. I rather doubt that any bullying or threats were involved or required when that teacher made her move on that student. Who knows how this woman got her victim to cooperate? I'm inclined to think alcohol or drugs had to have been involved.

[FedUpWithIt All]

31. I have seen it. Many here think this is not abuse when the adult is attractive. n/t

[MADem]

33. I haven't seen anyone who "praises" child rape here. I've seen

people who acknowledged their adolescent hormones and who if, at the same age, they had the same opportunity, that they would have taken it, but that is a materially different attitude. They're saying that they completely understand the motivations and responses of the young boys in these instances, but not that they endorse the actions of the adult.

Sex is a strong motivator for young boys. If the person offering the "product" is alluring and appealing, it would be abnormal for a young boy to refuse--that's all these people are saying.

[Mari333]

37. believe me , 12 yr old girls have strong hormones too

but this has nothing to do with hormones of either gender. 12 yrs old is a child.
and if an adult has sex with a child, its abuse and rape. No matter what gender they are.

[PassingFair]

41. Wonder if the poster sees mitigating circumstances for

rape if the older authority figure is a man.

It should obviously be acknowledged that
this is just hormonal activity.

After all who could expect TWO MALES,
with all of those coercive hormones
bouncing around, to withhold their desire?

:crazy:

[Mari333]

44. exactly.

I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would not see this behaviour as out and out abuse of a child.
if a teacher had done this to one of my kids I would have been sent to jail for what I would have done to that teacher.

[MADem]

45. Why don't you try reading the whole discussion and engaging "the poster" directly

rather than engaging in Junior High snark?

That would probably result in a more mature discussion of the issue.

:crazy: indeed.

FWIW, this is not JUST hormanal activity, though hormones play a key role. And orientation isn't the issue (where you got THAT, I have no idea, but it sure is odd that you'd even bring it up, out of the blue, as though it were apropos of anything). A gay pubescent teen-ager is entirely likely to go "hormonal" over an attractive man in the same fashion as a straight kid would over an attractive woman. I think it's a safe bet that this sort of situation has happened involving adult men and young boys as well.

I don't quite take your point. Are you suggesting that a "gay aspect" to this sort of situation makes a difference, somehow?

[MADem]

42. Young girls are raised to be selective--there's a cultural difference as well.

But they can be persuaded, too. It's a bit more work, though, because of the cultural firewalls that many girls are taught.

Sorry, it DOES have to do with hormones--particularly with young boys. If the hormones weren't raging, the adults wouldn't have an opportunity to take advantage of the children. The children would be thinking with their big heads, and the "No means no" lessons they learned before puberty would kick in.

No one is suggesting that these behaviors by adults don't constitute abuse and rape, FWIW. However, there are people who can walk and chew gum at the same time who are discussing this issue.

Hormones DO play a role.

And yes, it's wrong for adults to take advantage of children.

See? Those two facts can, and do, operate in the same universe.

[stevenleser]

91. I find your attempts to differentiate this by gender disturbing...

I dont think there should be any different reaction or attempts to justify or villify behavior based on the gender of either the young person or older person.

Young people have hormones influencing their behavior. That much is true. Trying to separate that into boys or girls makes it seem like you are rationalizing the behavior for one gender but not the other, or making it ok for adults to do this to one gender or young kids but not the other.

[lumberjack_jeff]

94. There's this unspoken calculus taking place.

if the abuser is;
fat, ugly, old or male add 2 years to the appropriate punishment, plus one year for each additional icky factor.
if the victim is;
a girl under 16 or a boy under 10 then add two more years.
otherwise;
subtract four years.

[MADem]

96. I find your attempts to ignore culture differences fascinating.

I've never seen such denial stretched so far, actually. It's PC run amok.

What people think should be, and what IS, are two completely different things.

Certainly, it would be nice if everyone was treated exactly equally, and factors like upbringing and expectations were EXACTLY the same, regardless of gender. But that isn't the case at all.

Of course, if that were the case, a little amendment called the ERA would have passed, what, EIGHTY FIVE YEARS AGO instead of being shoved on the trash heap several times already?

The simple fact is, gender still has an impact in this country AND around the world in how people are treated, from small children to the elderly. You might not like that fact, but fact it is. And there's no sense getting angry at me for having basic powers of observation.

People who recognize that gender affects how people are dealt with (it doesn't mean they "support" it if they recognize it, mind you) don't deserve excoriation for noting the obvious. And it's not "rationalization" to live in the real world with eyes and ears that function, either.

[seabeyond]

100. and this is the way of the world

two polar statements together. yes. some people have a tough time thinking that way. i cant do otherwise.

[Wendio]

125. Exactly!

I also hate headlines that read "charged with having sex with a twelve year old". These are children and they are not having sex, they are being raped. There is no such thing as consent when a child is involved.

[seabeyond]

126. they often headline it that way. cant make to blunt and in face. but i agree with you

not having sex, being raped

[seabeyond]

98. first, i have seen it on the thread. once a girl hits puberty she is free game.,

second, there is often the very young girl that wants the sex with the adult and we often have the argument that regardless of her wanting it, the adult isnt allowed to take it.

a line for the adults, regardless of what the kids want cause they are not old enough. period. a line drawn that our adults cannot be predator to our children

[closeupready]

99. Well, I've seen borderline posts that dance around without actually PRAISING child rape, but

they do just about everything but that.

[ProfessorGAC]

62. I've Seen Those Posts Too

It doesn't upset me, i kind of expect it. But, i think your explanation as to what causes it is true. The "hot" older woman somehow makes it ok to some.
GAC

[PassingFair]

35. Junior high girls "lust" after male teachers, too.

"That doesn't make what the teacher did "right," but it does acknowedge that the coercive aspect is less arduous when the person doing the coercing is appealing."

Is the "coercive aspect" less arduous if the male teacher is a "hottie", and
the 12 year old girl "comes on to" him?

Rape is rape, "hormonal realities" notwithstanding.

:eyes:

(And I have seen PLENTY of posters who see absolutely nothing wrong
with a 12 or 13 year-old boy being taken advantage of by a "hot"
teacher.)

[Mari333]

39. exactly. !!!! nt

[BlancheSplanchnik]

73. no one is suggesting it's NOT rape!

I DON"T get what is with you people, trying to imply the poster is trying to lessen the wrongness of that adult's actions.

The poster is commenting separately on the corollary issue of DOUBLE STANDARDS, SOCIAL CONVENTIONS and SEXUAL CRIMES.


The double standard comment is meant to appraise an ass-brained society that culturally worships/sensationalizes HOT women on the make. And also hypes the scandal when WOMEN prey on males.

Compare this to the much quieter public response to men preying on little girls. Which happens far more often (sex trafficking, anyone? what's the percentage of girls sold/kidnapped/forced compared to boys?).

[book_worm]

58. I've seen it many times, and in those very words.

[treestar]

72. I see it every time the abuser is attractive

The claim that an adolescent male thinks he's lucky in that situation. Which may be true, but that doesn't make it right.

[lumberjack_jeff]

86. What does it matter what young males want?

They're kids and not bright enough to make grownup decisions.

Look on the bright side. At least this rapist won't force the victim to become a teen age father.

[lumberjack_jeff]

87. Simple question. Do "the hormonal realities" of young males mitigate her crime?

[JI7]

88. usually guys do praise the kid for getting sex from someone who is hot

and many have said things like "i could understand if she was hot but........." when the woman is unattractive.

[lumberjack_jeff]

85. I don't see praise, but I do see "but it's okay because boys aren't hurt as bad".

[snooper2]

110. 24 with a 16 year old is different in my mind...

55 with 12 is twisted bad

[FedUpWithIt All]

130. My daughter is 16 and she is still very much a kid. She could easily be influenced/manipulated

by someone in their 20's.



I am also in a relationship with someone considerably younger than myself (24 and 36). Age differences do not bother me when we are speaking of adults.

Each of us might define relationship limits differently. The problem is that we need to form protections for all children against coercive/abusive pressures from adults. Some 14 yr olds are very mature. Some are not. Some 18 yr olds are timid and easily pressured. Some 12 yr olds are very bold and self assured. We need to assure that ALL the formative childhood years are safe from adults' potential self serving exploitation.

It would be wonderful if we lived in a world where everything could be evaluated on a case by case situation but we don't. We live in a mainly anonymous, self concerned, self centered time and the kids who get hurt are often open to this type of abuse because of neglect and their fragile personal power. It is our responsibility to define limitations that shelter these kids.

[BlooInBloo]

5. It's a double standard that (straight) guys would rather have sex with a pretty woman...

than an ugly one?

Oh noes.

[Smith_3]

6. ...

:rofl:

[Heidi]

8. The OP isn't about a "guy" having sex. It's about a child being raped.

Would that alleged rape be "more okay" with you if the alleged rapist were a "pretty woman"?

ETA: "alleged"

[BlooInBloo]

14. Everything of course hinges on the appropriateness of using "rape" as the descriptor here....

I'll leave you now, to your pre-ordained "BiB's supports rape! BiB supports rape!" ranting. Enjoy!

[FedUpWithIt All]

16. This is no different from the dozens of young teacher cases that have been discussed here.

"Murphy did not force the boy to have sex, but since the he is younger than 13, it is considered rape, Welsh said."

[lumberjack_jeff]

89. It's not? What would you call it? n/t

[FedUpWithIt All]

15. Have you ever seen some of the teacher assult threads on this board?

Same situation. Consensual sex between an adutl and a child. It is RAPE in the eyes of the law as well as myself.

"Murphy did not force the boy to have sex, but since the he is younger than 13, it is considered rape, Welsh said."

There are always people who ask, "where was she when i was in high school". Those people will not be in this thread because this woman is old and unattractive. They should not be in ANY thread, which deals with child abuse, speaking of the enviability of the abuse. I was making a point about the double standard some people hold regarding what constitutes abuse based on what they themselves find attractive. THAT is a terrible standard to decide what is/is not harmful to a child.

[Heidi]

18. Yes, I'm sure I've seem all of them.

Very often, my reaction has been: :puke:

[EOTE]

56. OK, I'll say it.

Where was she when I was in high school? What? Beggars can't be choosers.

[FedUpWithIt All]

71. ...

:hi:

[FedUpWithIt All]

13. It's a double standard that this CONSENSUAL relationship is considered abuse

based on nothing more than the age attractiveness of the adult. Whereas an attractive adult molesting a boy is considered something non-abusive due to it's fantasy inducing capabilities among adult men.

[JVS]

103. What consenting relationship? He is too young to give consent.

[FedUpWithIt All]

104. It was a non-force interaction. n/t

[cherish44]

22. Yeah but women, we prefer having sex with middle aged balding guys with beer guts and man boobs

At least that what a lot of guys seem think. I used to get a great laugh watching the newly divorced mid-life crisis guys hitting on the pretty young things when I used to bartend :rofl:

[BlooInBloo]

23. DOUBLE STANDARD!!!! Everybody loves bewbies, EXCEPT when they're MAN-bewbies!!!

Be ashamed. Be very ashamed.

:rofl:

[cherish44]

26. I gets jelus if a man has bigger tatas than me

I know it's petty of me :rofl:

[MADem]

27. Well, aren't those 'cougars' the Next Big Thing? nt

[seabeyond]

34. i was a waitress.... i would smile

then go in back room and trash the guy. what a jerk... and more

men are oblivous.

[GaYellowDawg]

49. Not all of us.

As an overweight middle-aged man, your response is exactly what I suspected happened. It's why I don't bother, and haven't for quite some time. So there.

[Heidi]

53. And not all of us women get a kick outta makin' fun of people behind their backs.

Chances are, those who would make fun of you for trying to strike up a conversation with a woman, whether she's young and attractive or not, are looking to find fault. I'm sorry you don't bother anymore. You've always seemed to me to be a good person.

[GaYellowDawg]

59. Thank you, and that's very nice of you.

I wouldn't assume that all women get a kick from that. I do kind of think that if a man my age tries to hit on, say, college-age women, he's asking to be abused. At a certain point, men do need to realize when those days are over, unless you're really rich (in which case you're just getting the really shallow ones anyway).

As for not bothering, I just don't want to impose myself on anyone. I would assume that if someone's interested, she'll find a way to let me know. Like hit me over the head with something. You know us men, oblivious, right? ;)

[seabeyond]

79. girls dont get a "kick" out of it. or most dont

they are disgusted by it. why are you blaming the girl? i was a waitress and i couldnt tell the old men what i really thought about them. i had to keep my mouth shut and take it. and you are bothered? i am 47 and i would NEVER think of hitting on a 18 year old boy.

[GaYellowDawg]

95. Have you even read this thread?

I'm not blaming any girls. I don't know how you got that out of what I posted. I stopped trying anything with college age women after about age 25. I'm not defending the middle-aged men who hit on them, either. I was just saying that the comments confirmed my impression that middle-aged men who do that get sneered at behind their backs, and another poster said that not all women get a kick out of sneering at them, and I said I didn't think that all women got a kick out of sneering at people. So what's objectionable about that? I'm 41 and I don't think I could stay interested in anyone under 30, and 30 would really be pushing it. What I was conveying is that the sneering about the physical shortfalls of middle-aged men makes me not want to try anything with anyone - under 30 or over.

You don't have to tell me about having to keep your mouth shut and take it. And frankly, you didn't have to. You could have poured a drink on some jerk and found a different job. You might have even ended up a little happier for it. I quit a Burger King job when two buses pulled into the parking lot during lunch rush to make it as painful for the manager as possible. Tossed the shirt at her, hooked my thumbs into the waistline, and asked her if she wanted the pants right then and there, too. But back to what I was saying - I've been a hotel front desk clerk and they catch as much crap as any waiter or waitress. Everyone short of the super-rich class has had to put up with things they hated on a crap job at some point in their lives.

Edited because I didn't like the original post, and can't figure out how the sub-thread got to this point.

[seabeyond]

75. BIG difference between middle age man hitting on an 18 yr old and any person having a conversation

never did i ridicule any person having a conversation with me. big difference. many times when i was young men would behave in a way that was more than impolite in their flirting and there was no reason for it and was ridiculous.

[GaYellowDawg]

77. I wasn't talking about conversation, but hitting on people.

There's a difference. I do try to be nice, but I don't try anything else.

[seabeyond]

78. why would a 40, 50, 60 yr old man

hit on a 18 yr old and think it is cute or appropriate?

why should you try anything else with a kid?

[GaYellowDawg]

90. Why are you asking me?

I don't know. I think we're talking past each other. I saw your posts along with the other one that was sneering about middle-aged men's appearances and I guess I conflated their intent. I don't like what I see in the mirror too much, and although I'm doing something about it - as in I've lost 50 pounds over the past 5 months - I pretty much work under the assumption that no one's interested and I don't try anything with anyone. Young or my age.

For what it's worth, I don't hit on waitresses. Young or old. I don't flirt with them. I try to be nice, because I know what it's like to have a service job, and nice does NOT mean flirting. It means courteous. They're not there to be hit on. They're there to do a job. I don't much care about women in their 20s, either. They don't know anything about the things I grew up with and there's a gap. I don't much care about being around or with someone I can't relate to.

All of this is a completely different issue from the OP - I know we both agree that's completely sick and anyone ought to be spending some serious jail time who abuses a minor.

Edited because I thought the original was a crappy post.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

129. Because you aren't playing her game

Stop being such a nice person, or honestly admitting to your own insecurities as a man as to how you feel women may view you behind your back, and just admit all men are filthy misogynists. :sarcasm:

[seabeyond]

136. but that isnt the game, that isnt the issue and that isnt what i was saying

but wtf huh?

we are talking about old men hitting on girls. not about how "women" may view his insecurities as a man. i can easily go there if that is actually the conversation, but it hasnt been

[GaYellowDawg]

137. So let's see.

You've gone from middle-aged men hitting on college age women to "old men hitting on girls"? I don't believe that's what we've been talking about at all. I also don't know why you're putting "women" in quote marks, but I don't like the possible implications, given the way you're slanting things. Since you don't appear to understand the things I've been saying, let me say them clearly and in short sentences.

I don't attempt to ask out waitresses of any age.

In fact, nowadays, I don't attempt to ask anyone out, period.

If I did ask someone out, she'd have to be at least 8-10 years out of college.

Is that clear enough? If you want to keep on trying to move towards painting me as some kind of dirty old man, it'll be because you feel like it, not because of anything I've actually said. I may certainly have insecurities as a man, but I do not have any insecurities about the appropriateness of my actions and/or words towards women. I am, and always have been, someone they could feel safe around. So if you want to pick a fight with someone about acting inappropriate, you'll have to look elsewhere.

[seabeyond]

138. lol lol

i keep going to point. anytime you want to stop we can.

i said i was a waitress at 18. that is not a woman. it is a girl. we are talking middle age men, 40, 50. yes. some can call it old.

that is all

again right on point with my original post that you replied to.

good for you that you dont ask 18 yr olds out.

sorry you dont ask anyone out.

[Smith_3]

118. I still don't get how a thread about a female abuser turned into a men bashing thread.

Like regardless of who is abusing who, there is always a way to spin it into being those dirty mens fault :rofl:

[seabeyond]

120. it is easy enough to follow, if you have any sort of reading comprehension. n/t

[Smith_3]

139. Yeah. Isn't it convenient that men are showing all those inappropriate responses?

That way, even though its a woman doing the weirdo stuff, the real scandal is how men are making stupid comments about it. :rofl:

[seabeyond]

140. a poster says something then a subthread goes off topic. what happens on discussion boards

i think you will find it on about every thread.

i also think you will find every woman consistently condemning this woman. i think the issue is there are some male posters not condemning it so much, as long as the woman is good looking. something the 12 yr old boy likes.

so

men are making inappropriate responses
men not condemning the action

and you are pissed at women?

[Smith_3]

141. Nah. I'm just bugging you...

;) :toast:

[seabeyond]

142. uhmmm

wink

:toast:

[Heidi]

50. That's not true of all men; surely you must know that.

It simply is not true that all men are oblivious.

[seabeyond]

76. and all men didnt behave like that either. n/t

[treestar]

70. Especially if they have money

We are "hard-wired" that way! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: We prefer a fat old rich man over a guy that looks like Brad Pitt any day! :rofl: :rofl: How many times have we been informed of this? Countless! :rofl:

[chrisa]

74. No No. Girls love jerks!

Be as cold and uncaring as you can be, and the women will be fawning over you! Wear leather jackets, and talk with a tough Brooklyn accent, and be rude to all of the waiters and waitresses! Girls love that! Hehe. :)

[treestar]

106. That too! We always prefer to tame a bad boy rather than just

hang out with one who is good and responsible for his own behavior! In short, we exist for the benefit of men and what they need, and we like it that way! :rofl:

[Eryemil]

17. I agree, to a point

Where the male suspect is seen as a predator for sullying the purity of girls (or emasculating younger males) the female is merely a sex goddess doing what every every boy dreams about.

I know I did, though it never went beyond fantasy.
Except in my case it was a really hot priest in our local church. I'd say he was in his late 20s, tall with black hair and rich green eyes.
I only ever went to Church to see him.

As far as I know he was getting it on with half the young women in town so I never stood a chance but it was definitely on my mind often until we left for the US.

[lunatica]

29. As you probably know, fantasy is far from reality

If I followed through on my fantasies, some of my bosses would be suffering major destitution and some of my family would be dead. My karmic adjustment scale would be deeply tipped into the red. Drivers who tailgate me would be wrapped around trees. Rude people in public would be smitten with sewn lips. Telemarketers would have to eat their telephones. It goes on, but you get the point

[Eryemil]

32. Not sure what you are trying to say with this...

It never went beyond fantasy because the guy was into women and even if he had been gay he'd probably wouldn't have been interested in a kid.
But I would have jumped at the chance to at least mess around with the guy and still think about him today.

[lunatica]

36. I wasn't criticizing you at all...

Girls have fantasies too, and they are healthy. I was just taking the idea of fantasy to an extreme. I was also being fatecious.

[BlooInBloo]

38. What she's saying is that it's perfectly fine for women to tell men what they should want...

And yes, that's a double-standard (since we're playing the double-standard game in this thread).

[FedUpWithIt All]

40. Fantasizing about being raped and actually being raped are two different things.

Because adults having sex with children IS RAPE. Even if the child fantasizes about it.

You can keep insisting that young (not yet teen) boys are "men" but that does not make it so, no matter how closely you may relate to them.

edited to add...men cannot have everything they "want". Most men understand this.

[Eryemil]

63. Call it what you want but pardon me if I don't go around telling people that..

I wish I had been raped as a kid. Just doesn't have the same tone to it as:
"Man, I sure wish I could have blown that priest".

Just for the record, I DID get it on with older guys as a teen.
Just not with him.

[MADem]

19. She's not "hot" at all. She looks OLDER than her stated age, in fact.

She may have been nice looking when she was young, but those days are long gone. She looks MEAN and SCARY and alcoholic or drug-addled.

And the kid isn't a teen, either. He's a twelve year old child.

Any adult who engages in a sexual relationship with youngsters has serious issues and needs to be dealt with by the justice system. Any adult who has authority over someone, be they a student or an adult, and initiates a sexual relationship with someone subordinate to them is using power as a weapon, too--however, if the person is "of age" there's less excoriation, even though it's an unequal/unethical relationship.

[BlooInBloo]

30. Maybe, maybe not - I've seen my share of "had a tough life-ers"...

Who look 50, but are only in their 20s or 30s.

[marshall]

48. There were also those who said Elizabeth Smart ran off with the cretin who kidnapped her

He was far more nastier and scruffier looking than this woman, yet there were nay-sayers who kept insisting that Smart eloped with him as if he were some Brad Pitt look-alike that she fell in love with.

[FedUpWithIt All]

135. It would be easier if children were simply considered off limits to adults.

To assume that a child is equal in intent and mature accountability to an adult does a disservice to the child.

I don't know why some people excuse child predator behavior.

:hi:

[HughBeaumont]

7. GAAAAAAH!

Just . . . don't . . . want . . . to eat now. :puke:

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[KillCapitalism]

11. Uhh...yuck!

If I were that 12-year-old, I would have had to pass on that & go wank off to some Hustler magazines instead. :puke:

[lunatica]

12. This is sickening. n/t

[BlueCaliDem]

20. Was the boy intoxicated or something??

I cannot believe any boy would want to tap that, as my daughter would say.

This is pedophilia-rape and she should get the full punishment for what she's done which is, last time I looked, minimum 30 years.

[Smith_3]

21. Build a bridge out of 'er

:rofl:

[EOTE]

60. But can you not also build bridges out of stone?

Therein lies the fault of your logic.

[Romulox]

24. But she LOOOOVES him!

:puke:

[MADem]

28. I'm guessing she was in a drug/booze stupor. But ya never know... nt

[eridani]

43. Addendum

Mary Kay Letourneau has been out of jail for a while now. She and Vili Fuulau then married--she 43 and he 22. Creepy, but AFAIK they are still together. Too bad she couldn't have been adult enough to wait until he was lega.

[Le Taz Hot]

46. Aside from the obvious criminality here,

can someone PLEASE explain to me what it is about a 12-year-old male body that would excite anyone above age 12? I've SEEN a 12-year-old male bode nude (step-son, medical reason, husband called me in). What POSSIBLE attraction is there? I don't get it.

[Smith_3]

54. "...seen it for a medical reason..."

Sorry, but as a person who grew up in Europe I find that statement :rofl:

[Le Taz Hot]

55. I was 16-1/2 when my brother was born and I

didn't have any kids so there would be no reason I would be exposed to a 12-year-old male body. :shrug:

[Smith_3]

66. Thats ok. All I am saying is that around Europe...

...it is unlikely that a person will hit 16-1/2 without having been exposed to nude bodies of all ages.

[BlooInBloo]

67. heh. So the concept of having to *explain* why you've seen one would be...

well, foreign?

(rimshot)

Thank you! Thank you! I'll be here Thursday, Friday, and Saturday folks! Don't forget to tip your waitresses!!!!

:rofl:

[Mamacrat]

150. Attraction to younger males.

I'm not so sure that the women who have sex with these much younger boys are actually attracted to them sexually as a preference, but that they have sex with them because they are available and can coerce them into it. That can happen with younger girls with men, as well, in that they might not be a pedophile by preference, but because they are lonely or drunk/drugged they have sex with them because they are there.

[Xenotime]

47. Garp! I just barfed in my mouth.

[Cerridwen]

51. Awwwww, Mugu's back.

Where ya been? I've missed your liberal baiting flamefests - kinda like I'd miss a toothache.

[Mugu]

61. If you feel that posting an article about the sexual abuse of a child is "liberal baiting,"

then you may need dentures.

[Cerridwen]

64. One instance does not a pattern make.

There is however a pattern.

Nice try, though.

Now, I can't stay and play with you 'cuz I gotta go to work.

Have a grand day.

[slackmaster]

52. ARGH! MY EYES, MY EYES!

:nuke:

[greguganus]

102. Mug shots are never flattering. I bet she's a babe when she's made up. lol. n/t

[book_worm]

57. Sick woman.

[GaYellowDawg]

65. Bottom line here...

This woman's appearance should be irrelevant. Anyone, no matter how attractive, doing what she did should draw the same kind of negative reaction.

[FedUpWithIt All]

68. Agreed.

:hi:

[TwilightGardener]

69. Yes, it's terrible no matter what... but the stop-a-clock face makes it all the more icky.

[ferrous wheel]

80. Any prosecution is these kinds of cases should be contingent on the 'victim'

insisting on it. I don't know anything about the supposed 12 year old but he ought to have say-so about allocation of 'guilt'.

I mean...has anybody asked him if he thinks the woman should be imprisoned?

[lumberjack_jeff]

93. Yikes.

Give you the benefit of the doubt for a second.

Should the prosecution of a 50+ man who has "consensual" sex with a 12 year old girl be contingent on her pressing charges?

If not, then the only logical conclusion is either you think that boys are more like grownups than girls are or 50+ women are are peers of 12 year old boys.

[varkam]

97. By 'these kinds of cases' do you mean where a woman molests a boy or child molestation in general?

[Gormy Cuss]

133. What he thinks is absolutely irrelevant. It's statutory rape.

[Mamacrat]

151. The victim is a child.

We don't let children make those sort of legal decisions about anything.

[Undercurrent]

81. ,

There is no such thing as a consensual sexual "relationship" between an adult, and a 12 year old child. Boy or girl, hetero or gay, ugly or beautiful -- doesn't matter. It's illegal because it can damage the child.

[EmeraldCityGrl]

82. Visions of Cloris Leachman making out with Jack Black

on 'The office' are still haunting my mind..

[BirminghamExaminer]

117. that was freaking hilarious

I love Cloris Leachman. She was a good sport I think.

[lumberjack_jeff]

84. "did not force the boy to have sex, but since the he is younger than 13, it is considered rape"

Ya think?

What a moronic piece of writing. It is as if it had never occurred to the writer that boys could be victims of rape too.

[Sandrine for you]

105. Rape is forced, unwanted sexual intercourse.

""Rape is forced, unwanted sexual intercourse. Rape, sometimes also called sexual assault, can happen to both men and women of any age.

Rape is about power, not sex. A rapist uses actual force or violence — or the threat of it — to take control over another human being. Some rapists use drugs to take away a person's ability to fight back. Rape is a crime, whether the person committing it is a stranger, a date, an acquaintance, or a family member.""

http://kidshealth.org/teen/safety/safebasics/rape_what_to_do.html

The writer maybe have information that she seduce him. So it was about sex, not power.

[lumberjack_jeff]

107. Oh, okay. 50 year olds with 12 year olds is just sex, not rape. Got it.

[Sandrine for you]

109. Yep, you got It. Abuse of confidence or something like this but not rape.

[lumberjack_jeff]

114. Then stay away from kids. n/t

[Sandrine for you]

115. Thank's to make it personal

I really think it's a criminel offense, but also, I dont think it can be define as a rape.

[lumberjack_jeff]

116. You can't "seduce" someone who lacks the judgement required for informed consent.

You're welcome to your own definition of rape. The rest of us are entitled to the one that we've written into law.

Don't try to live by yours because you'll run afoul of ours.

[moriah]

145. There is also "statutory rape".

And do you deny that the difference in power between a 50 something year old woman and a 12 year old boy is extremely significant?

Do you honestly believe that a 50-year-old woman is going to be sexually satisfied just from the act with a 12-year-old, or do you realize that the power differential between the two likely has something to do with her enjoyment of the situation? Therefore, that it is just as much about power in this kind of situation?

Seriously, don't start defending people who have sex with children.

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

92. Abominable. nt

[Ganja Ninja]

101. That's gonna scar him for life.

I think it scarred me too.:yoiks:

[Sandrine for you]

108. Some time ago, in France, the men give their young boys to

prostitutes, just to make sure they became real men.

[closeupready]

112. Yes, because real men use women like they are dishrags.

I just find that so repulsive, and even abusive. There is nothing wrong with letting sons start such relationships when they are ready. There is a LOT wrong with forcing them to do so when they are not, IMO.

[Sandrine for you]

127. Well, France is a country of psychanalyse for a long time ago,

and except for homosexual, it does not look the children are really affect by this. But I feel the same about the way it look about women.

[closeupready]

128. Oh, I see. Actually, I am familiar with that father/son custom, at least

insofar as I am aware that some Latin Americans are also like that.

Cultures are different, also, how they regard sexuality, and France is liberal with regard to sex, as most people know, so if you tell me that taking your son to a prostitute is not a big deal in France, I believe you. I am also aware that Spain has a very low age of consent, something like 12 or 13 for boys, so this story would not BE news if it happened in Spain (I suppose).

[moriah]

148. I'd hope that if it were commonplace....

... that the women engaged in said profession were able to notice if the young man was not interested, and be just as happy to take the money instead and just talk or something else.

And if they were asked, they would likely not tell about it, because if the father who was paying for it was ill-tempered he might demand the money back.

However, I have not read the literature about how it affected young men or what actually did happen to them in those situations, so that may be just wishful thinking.

[FedUpWithIt All]

131. Nice reply. I agree with you. n/t

[Upton]

119. That's not a bad idea

to this day, some considerate fathers still give their sons a present of a prostitute once they are deemed ready.

[Ganja Ninja]

123. Not a bad idea if your father is Elliot Spitzer.

:evilgrin:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

143. That's pretty commonplace in Brazil too. But not at age TWELVE.

And certainly not to ugly fucks like that! Yikes!

[DeadEyeDyck]

132. the scar is where he chewed his arm off...

rather then risk waking her up.

[moriah]

147. It scars boys just as much as girls in those situations.

Someone close to me told of what happened to him when he was 12 -- a neighbor lady. He talked with all the boys in the neighborhood later on and found out that she'd targeted all of them as well.

My high school boyfriend had an older woman who thought he was very attractive, had met him when he was 14. She waited until he turned 18 and he and I were on the outs, and actually asked me if it would upset me if she approached him before she did. The three of us are all still friends. I'm sure most teen guys enjoy compliments from older women, he certainly did and she definitely made it known that she thought he was attractive. But she had self-control. And respect for herself and him.

.... and he definitely had an education when we got back together.

[mnmoderatedem]

113. Mary Kay Letourneau has apparantly not aged gracefully (nt)

nt

[La Lioness Priyanka]

122. ick. hope the kid recovers and gets some therapy

[cboy4]

134. Gah-rosse

I'm guessing she got him liquored up.

[Smith_3]

144. A little bit OT: I think we need to let each gender decide their own age of consent.

Judging from some of the posts here, it seems as though men and women have very different opinions on the topic.

Here is my proposal: Men decide what the proper age of consent is for boys. Women decide for girls.

Kind of like the abortion issue. My opinion on that is that it should be decided by women how or if they are regulated.

[seabeyond]

146. i think, probably, males decided for both genders. n/t

[Mamacrat]

149. So, I should have no say on this issue for my own son?

I don't think so.