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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 01:06 PM
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All federal legislators and top fed officials should have their taxes audited
as a show of good faith.

After hearing about all these tax scandals, I think everyone from both parties should be reviewed to see just how rampant this is in D.C.

I believe such a proposal would be very popular with the public right now. With so many in crisis and struggling to pay their bills and taxes, we need to restore public faith in government by conducting a full audit.

And who knows? Maybe we can come up with a couple million in the process?
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 01:08 PM
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1. AUTOMATICALLY
GOSH, THE TREASURY WILL GET A BUNDLE
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 01:08 PM
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2. the IRS should focus on government officials and leave us poor peeps alone
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 01:09 PM
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3. Obviously they have...
or at least the ones appointed by Obama. I think it's hilarious that these are considered "tax scandals" considering.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 01:12 PM
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4. It only has come up through the vetting process
I'm talking every federal legislator, A to Z. I'm wondering who the biggest cheats will be, Democrats or Republicans. Or, maybe it's just rich people.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 01:17 PM
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5. I myself would be considered a 'tax-cheat'..
We were audited about 15 years ago, and had to pay back taxes. I guess you can determine guilt by who the IRS chooses to audit, but I don't.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 01:33 PM
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10. Did you do it knowingly and hope you wouldn't get caught?
Or just made an honest mistake.

These people have money to pay accountants do their taxes to avoid such mistakes.

It's laughable that Geitner was using TurboTax.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 01:44 PM
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14. I wouldn't know how to do it 'willingly'..
but what difference does it make? Obviously if anyone has a 'tax-problem', they are a 'tax-cheat' right? We've has our taxes done by an accountant ever since..and guess what..he screwed us and filed late one year. So..that means we're really, really 'tax-cheats', right?
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 01:48 PM
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16. When did I call you a tax cheat?
You sure are personalizing this.

No, if you've done due diligence and make a mistake or pay someone who screws up, no, I don't think you are a tax cheat. I think most people are clear that this is not what I am talking about.

BTW, I certainly hope you went after the accountant for any fines or penalties levied against you for it as a result of his negligence.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 01:57 PM
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17. No we didn't...it was just another ordeal...
and when all was said and done, we got all our files and switched accountants. It wasn't so much that he made a mistake, but that he lied about it. But regardless of that why would I be any different than Daschle, or this woman, or Geittner? They are all judged to be "tax-cheats", why wouldn't I be as well?
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 02:17 PM
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18. That's not what I said
or likely not what anyone else here thinks.

And, yes, it is VERY different for the reasons I state previously. If someone you paid lies to you and doesn't file your tax documents, how could you logically argue that this is the same as any of these cases?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 02:38 PM
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19. I can't argue that any cases are the same...
and at the same time I can't argue that mine is any different. What is the same is that I obviously made a mistake..and I got caught in that mistake, and had to pay back taxes. It was years later that my accountant made a mistake...and got caught in it. Looks like we're all human, unlike so many others who claim perfection.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 01:35 PM
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11. Me too! Over 20 years ago, we bought an old VW Beetle that was
mechanically pretty goo, but the body was shot. It was in Pittsburgh, and suffered from a lot of body rot from the salted roads. We bought several cans of body putty, some sand paper, and a gal. of paint and fixed it up. Well, some little vegrant (age 12) from down the street stole it and totaled it by running into a tree. Alll we had was liability ins. on it, so I claimed the loss on my tax return. I carefully clipped the classified from several papers to document how I came up with the value and claimed the loss. We were audited that year, and the IRS said I couldn't claim that amount as actual value beecause I couldn't charge for MY LABOR TIME in fixing it up! Yep, I had to pay $200+ in back taxes. Am I a tax cheat? I don't think so.

HOWEVER, back when people were allowed to deduct a certain amount of the Fed. Tax that was paid on cigaretts, EVERYBODY I knew claimed they smoked! THAT included my old Aunt who wouldn't even let a cigarette inside her house!

Before computerized matching by the IRS, NOT ALL 1099 income was reported.

People who wore mandatory uniforms ALL deducted the cost of having their uniforms dry cleaned/laundered, wether they did them themselves or had them done.

Face it folks, the majority of taxpayers would pay less if they thought they could get away with it!!!!!! I'm disappointed in so many holier than thou's gripeing about Obama's picks.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 01:46 PM
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15. the worst part of all of this is...
that our tax code is so fucked up, and the real criminals write the frigging laws. People get played so easily.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 02:45 PM
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20. Then this is karma - you wrote the laws, you obey them or else this is what you get.
No sympathy from me for them at ALL.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 02:58 PM
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22. you can't be serious...
the tax laws are written by and for industry. I don't expect you to have any sympathy for anyone who makes a mistake on their tax returns, but I would expect you would know where the major fraud occurs in regards to paying taxes and the IRS itself.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 03:14 PM
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23. I expect people to have sympathy, especially for mistakes
Seems to me that's one of the characteristics of a decent person - having sympathy.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 03:15 PM
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24. Do you sympathize with lawbreakers, too?
??
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 03:40 PM
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27. uh, yeah, considering that I am one
I think I ran 3 or 4 stop signs today while riding my bicycle. Many lawbreakers get caught speeding or failing to wear their seatbelt or smoking a blunt or some other minor infraction. That doesn't make them total a$$holes or mass murderers or cereal rapists.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 03:46 PM
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29. $125,000 is not jaywalking.
n/t
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 04:11 PM
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30. $125,000 is pretty small potatoes at his income level
There is no proof that he deliberately broke the law, except that the cynics "just know he's guilty". He's declared guilty and even though he paid for this "mistake" without ever being caught, there's no way for him to prove his innocence to a crowd of progressives who already hate him.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 04:13 PM
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31. If it's small potatoes at his income level, why did he wait to pay such a small amount until Obama
chose him for a cabinet position? Coincidence? :eyes:
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 04:55 PM
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32. he says that he thought his accountant was taking care of it
or had taken care of it. That cannot be true though, can it? It must be a deep conspiracy involving bad motives. Simply must be.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 03:23 PM
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26. something lost it seems...
it's not even the sympathy, it's the empathy. Who are these perfect people who have made no mistakes in life? The willingness to pounce on any human being that doesn't measure up to expectations stuns me. And this is politics.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 01:20 PM
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6. In all fairness, I would be willing to challenge ANYONE who has
filed a tax return more complicated than the norm (like most Americans who are employed by someone else and receive a W2) to go through an audit and come out 100% correct! There's always SOMETHING! Judgements are made that the IRS disagrees. Mistakes are made by accountants. Things are forgotten by the taxpayers.

The lady who was to be the Chief Performance Officer and resigned today was guilty of a very stupid error, but one she certainly KNOWN about. Geitner & Daschel, I honestly believe were stupid oversights.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 01:32 PM
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8. I don't
But I'm sure they are not the only ones in D.C. who are doing it.

If it would have happened to us, how much trouble would we have been for the "mistake"? What fees or penalties are they paying?

The little people get slammed with these. The IRS doesn't say, "Just give us what you owed and we'll call it even."
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 01:41 PM
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13. Even the news media stated that "They paid back taxes PLUS fines & penalties."
The only time anyone gets into REAL trouble with the IRS is when they commit fraud. Laundering $$, claiming more dependants than you actually have. Those offenses are mostly considered fraud, and criminal.
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 02:46 PM
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21. Yeah, they both paid AFTER they learned Obama was going to choose them, not before.
n/t
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 01:25 PM
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7. Ok, but after they audit every mf on Fraud Street first!
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 01:33 PM
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9. This and the OP are great ideas.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 01:35 PM
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12. I think you could only tie that to taking taxpayer support
Just going on a fishing expedition into the taxes of a targeted group of private citizens would be unconstitutional.
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4 t 4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 03:17 PM
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25. They should all be audited
they are the law makers if they don't follow them why in the hell should we. Very bad examples they are setting
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-03-09 03:44 PM
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28. No shit!
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