Repubs Clearly Are Willing To Let This Country Collapse If They Think It Will Win Them Election

[Hissyspit]

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Republicans Clearly Are Willing to Let This Country Collapse if They Think it Will Win Them Elections

By Doug Kreeger, AlterNet. Posted February 4, 2009.

It is abundantly clear that the Republican leaders are going to do everything to prevent Obama and the Dems from doing anything constructive.

Last week, we witnessed how the Republicans will help serve this country in the worst crisis since the Great Depression.

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Last week, Obama's plans were debated in Congress. His goal of creating 2 million to 3 million jobs in the next two years through a massive rebuilding program of our crumbling infrastructure, was countered by the Republicans' revised stimulus plan. Their plan was not detailed beyond more tax cuts.

Here's the catch: The Republicans said their plan would create 6 million jobs. Really. Remember “Mission Accomplished”? Just saying something doesn't make it true.

The Republican playbook is about standing in opposition, knowing full well that the Democratic Congress is going to pass a stimulus package. Their next step is to go home and sell to what's left of their constituencies the notion that if we had listened to them, things would be far rosier. As a minority, a control group is unlikely to emerge that can disprove false numbers based on false rhetoric. They can go back and campaign in two years whether or not Obama's plan creates anywhere close to the number he hopes and tell the world, and claim that their plan would have provided double the number.

A perfectly manipulative strategy which plays to the short-term memory of the American electorate.

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Yes, the power of right-wing talk radio is finally being seen for what it is, the true center of gravity for one of the two major parties in this country. With a total vacuum of leadership in the Republican Party, they are left with the hot-air balloon of the airwaves creating the impression that failure is the best option for the good of this country.

This type of inertia is what Republicans think they need to get back in power, and they are going to their best to try and make that happen. The people of this nation will continue to suffer through this false debate that has nothing to do with solving problems, but is all about Election 2010. Make no mistake. This group of “unconscientious dissenters” can say anything and do nothing. Only time will tell if their strategy for regaining power is successful.

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[Skittles]

1. repukes truly make me sick

[Jawja]

9. Yes but the Democrats have the power

and really don't need the Repukes. It's up to the Democrats to be united enough to keep the Repukes from obstructing constructive measures to rescue the economy.

If President Obama and the Democratic Congress ALLOW Repukes to block their agenda, then the fault lies with Democrats on this one.

It's one thing to have enabled The Criminal Bush Adminstration for 8 years; it's another to fail at leadership when the American People have entrusted them with it.

[Skittles]

22. agreed

[barbtries]

16. me too

really sick.

[EFerrari]

2. They will let it collapse on their children, mother and grandmother

WHILE they screw around with Joe the Plumber, Caribou Barbie and the whole parade of Misfit Toys. It's amazing, really. They're like the cavalry in "Dances with Wolves", wiping their @sses on the planet and laughing while they shoot at nothing for no good reason.

[busybl]

3. they don't seem to understand what their jobs are supposed to be

It's the most important job in the country. They are supposed to be managing the country for the good of the citizens. They seem to think it's all about elections. And they approach those as if running for freshman class president.
Term limits, I'm tellin' ya. The founding fathers didn't mean for these to be lifetime, millionaire making jobs. Most of the senators are way past the age where corporations force you to retire. I would bet senility and senile dementia are common. I am basing this on my experience living in an apartment building where half the people are 80 and over. They can't remember stuff, they tell you the same thing day after day after day. They fall asleep. It's scary.

[EFerrari]

4. At least when Republicans are asleep, they can't rip you off or ruin the country.

Maybe we should raise the age requirement. :)

[tavalon]

5. Hate to be a killjoy here but Nancy Pelosi's reason for not impeaching members

of the Bush administration was a concern that it might hurt the Democrats chances in the House, Senate and WH. I'm not sure our side is quite well housed in our glass house to be lobbing boulders at theirs.

[KharmaTrain]

6. Nancy Pelosi Was A Senator?

Those are the people who convict. It's the job of the Senate to remove. They also are the "finders of fact"...the ones who do the ultimate investigations. Got a bitch, that's where it belonged. Or take it up with the various committee heads who didn't push forward articles. One person, short of a president with runaway powers, has the power to move 535 different people to do the job they were elected to do. There was plenty of blame...and what good does that do now?

It'd be nice if people were a bit more acquainted with the ways of our legislative system...how it really works as opposed to some preconcieved notion.

[dmr]

12. You're wrong - it begins in the House, not Senate

The House takes it to the Senate.

I'm not arguing the merits of a Bush* impeachment, just the fact you jumped down someone's throat for not being more "acquainted with the ways of our legislative system".

Remember all the impeachment talk? How upset everyone got with Pelosi? The petitions to her to do her job and start an impeachment? Remember Pelosi saying that "impeachment was off the table"? Why would she say that if it didn't start in her House?

Google it.

.... Whensoever the Senate shall receive notice from the
House of Representatives that managers are appointed on
their part to conduct an impeachment against any person
and are directed to carry articles of impeachment to the
Senate, the Secretary of the Senate shall immediately in-
form the House of Representatives that the Senate is ready
to receive the managers for the purpose of exhibiting such
articles of impeachment, agreeably to such notice. ...

[KharmaTrain]

14. Yep...That Sure Works...

I'm not going to rehash the situations of 2007-2009...what use does it do now? It was a major political liability that not just Pelosi but many House Democrats felt in not pushing forward what they felt would not only be a flawed impeachment that was assured of no conviction, but by doing so it would have vindicated that corrupt regime and immunized it from future real prosecution. Pelosi didn't set the House agenda...Steny Hoyer did...that's the job of the Majority Leader. Had Hoyer wanted impeachment, it would have been "on the table" no matter what Pelosi said...and I could go through a list of others in the House who weren't in favor of impeachment...a big reason there were so few sponsors on the various resolutions Congressman Kucinich sent around.

A vindication would have prevented any investigations that now are starting to move forward. The obstruction that the booosh regime put up was massive and they're still fighting. But fortunately, many of those with blood on their hands didn't get pardons and still face a likelyhood of facing future charges.

I would have loved to seen booooosh removed from office, but moreso, he is a war criminal...as are others in his regime...impeachment was a political remedy that didn't address the real crimes done over the past 8 years...and would let a lot of the underlings run free to surface again in the future. I'm hoping we are just about to get accounting of this regime...through the courts and forcing evidence to come forward. Hopefully we now have a functional Justice Department that will pursue the backlog of corruption cases and we'll have real justice in the future. In some cases, that justice won't be served until it's presented at the World Court...something way beyond the sphere and authority of politicans.

[dmr]

18. I'm with you on all you say.

I wanted impeachment so bad I could taste it. And, I was angry about how nothing was done about it. Yet, I still was relieved because Bush* would have pardoned everyone, and investigations would have shut down before they really got started - and there is so - so - so very much to investigate.

Presently, I'm thrilled to see that Rove's hand has been forced to cooperate. We'll see how that pans out. I'm convinced he's an emotional weakling that will capitulate just enough to save his fat butt. Though, I say "Off to the gallows"!

Edit: grammar

[KharmaTrain]

19. Justice Served...

I was just as frustrated as anyone to see the ongoing criminal enterprise of the past 8 years. And I still am. But I saw a lot of people putting hopes in impeachment as a way to change things that would have allowed the "Goodlings" of that regime slip free. I saw it happen with Watergate and didn't want to see this again. I still don't.

While it was agonizing, many held their powder until the boooosh regime was removed to avoid the posibility of having all their work squashed Plame-style with a pardon. Also, remember, we had a Justice Department that was totally dysfunctional...acting as boooosh's lawyer, not that of the people. Criminal cases that could be the basis of a solid impeachment have been twarted...now they can and will proceede.

I'm more cynical about Rove...his latest ploy is to save his ass...but it's also to delay further. Watch him claim that while he is "cooperating" he's under "orders" by extra-terrestrial executive powers that prevent him from testifying. He'll take it to court and hope to find sympathetic GOOP judges to bottle it up for months and years. His cooperation is to prevent him from being brought up on obstruction charges.

Hopefully we'll start seeing some movement on other fronts...the Siegleman case looks like it will break open as will the fired Prosecutors. Plus through FOIA there is sure to be fodder for a ton of civil suits against many of these goons...who may not see jail time, but may face financial ruin through constant litigation...and IMHO nothing is worse for a repugnican than having no money.

Thanks for the enlightening discussion...

Cheers...

[tavalon]

21. Since I'm way acquanted with not only the way the process works with impeachment and

the way people act on sites like this, I wasn't all that bugged. I was going to explain the misunderstanding but you saved me the keystrokes. Thank you.

[RJ Connors]

7. Man, that's the Gods honest truth. n/t

[KharmaTrain]

8. Noise Is All They Have...

The hallmark of the GOOP is to be selfish and arrogant. No matter how embarassed they can be. No matter how wrong they are. No matter how much damage is done, they will never take responsibility and always attempt to revise history to find fault with others. To many, they didn't lose the election last year...it was Gramps who did or booosh or the corporate media. In their conveluted view "conservatism" didn't fail, it just "wasn't done right". It's a great fallback that absolves you of any responsibility or blame about the current situation cause you can now shrug your shoulders and say "that wasn't me".

There's a couple of games at play here. The GOOP is using the only tool they have left...hate radio and their spinners to try to "work the ref" (the refs being the corporate media). Their hopes are to dominate narratives and distort discussions with useless arguments, lies and misinformation that is intended to force the Obama administration to dance their tune. The jury is out as to how much resolve President Obama has here...and his actions will be critical if he's to have any success in moving his agenda forward.

Both the GOOP and the corporate media have been waiting for Obama to slip and they think this is their chance. The stakes are high cause the GOOP knows if the stimulus plan is successful, they're screwed for years to come and may even face the final implosion of their corrput party. Thus they need it to fail...or to cluter it up and bruise President Obama as much as possible. If it is successful, it could shift the economic balance as well...hurting their financial benefactors that in turn would destroy the GOOP's financial and welfare system. Yep, they're shitting in their pants. This is desperation...and, yes, they want the country to go to hell. They pray at the Raygun alter daily for it to happen.

[W_HAMILTON]

10. They need to "float" this out there.

It's probably the truth, and more people should be bringing it up. Some of the Democrat surrogates out there need to mention this. The Republicans don't care about being bipartisan; I watched my own stupid governor (SC) on MSNBC yesterday, talking about how sometimes "you just need to suck it up and let things play themselves out." Really? Do you think that moron would be saying that if Republicans were in control of the government? Of course not. He wants them to do nothing, so he can later complain about them doing nothing.

[Le Taz Hot]

11. So are the Democrats!

What do you think "impeachment is off the table" was about? What do you think the IWR was about? The Patriot Act? The Bankruptcy Bill? The Bailout? It was ALL to get re-elected. You guys need to start cleaning up your own back yard before you begin cleaning up someone elses

[Romulox]

13. I don't believe that the "stimulus" bill will prevent a "collapse" any more than the TARP did

The more hysterical the posturing becomes, the more suspicious I become.

[burythehatchet]

17. everyone has to look like they're doing something.

[Coexist]

15. I can't say what I want.

it will get deleted.

[davekriss]

20. This country HAS collapsed

What we're watching now is the disintegration and unravelling of Wall Street woes into Main Street economics. We won't bottom out until late summer 2009 at the earliest, and it will be end of 1st quarter 2010 before we see upticks in employment again.