Meanwhile over at Jim Robinson's FreeRepublic....

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...the racist, deranged, psychotic descendents of slave holders are holding forth on an article which elaborates on inner-city blacks converting to Islam since 9/11. Warning: This in no way is an easy read and most of the comments would incite at least a riot. That being said, what else can you expect out of any true member of Jim Robinson's FreeRepublic?

Read the thread here and once you do go take a very long shower: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806400/posts

As an added bonus, read the profile of one 'beckwith,' who elaborates on Barak Obama. Disgusting is the only word that comes to mind about this keyboard warrior: http://www.freerepublic.com/~beckwith/


More blacks converting to Islam since Sept. 11
contracostatimes ^ | Mar. 24, 2007 | Ramit Plushnick-Masti


Posted on 03/25/2007 5:18:59 AM PDT by Flavius


Pittsburgh among cities to see increase after terror attacks as religious leaders try to paint positive image By Ramit Plushnick-Masti ASSOCIATED PRESS

PITTSBURGH, Pa. - Allahu Akbar, the Muslim call for prayer, rings out on a recent Friday and a group of black men and women gather to celebrate the Islamic day of rest.

The wooden house in Pittsburgh's rundown Homewood neighborhood looks like any other on the block. But the sign at the door, Masjid Mumin, and the rows of shoes lined up inside on gray, plastic shelves hint of the brand of Sunni Islam its members practice.

The mosque is one of seven in Pittsburgh, home to a vibrant community of about 8,000 to 10,000 Sunni Muslims -- some 30 percent of them black.

Following what appears to be a trend in cities nationwide, religious leaders in Pittsburgh say there has been a rise in black conversions to Sunni Islam since the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.

No national surveys have been taken to confirm the increase, but Islamic religious leaders in Chicago, Cleveland and Detroit have also reported growth, said Lawrence Mamiya, a professor of religion and Africana studies at Vassas College in New York. Experts estimate that 30 percent of the 6 million to 7 million Muslims in the United States are black, with only South Asians making up a larger number at 33 percent.

The Sept. 11 attacks have "cut both ways, positively and negatively," Mamiya said.

The dynamic is obvious, another expert said.












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KEYWORDS: ABORIGINAL; AUSTRALIA; INDIA; ISLAM; ISRAEL; MUSLIM; PAKISTAN
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1 posted on 03/25/2007 5:19:03 AM PDT by Flavius
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To: Flavius
Once again, losing no opportunity to shoot themselves in the foot when it comes to advancing the cause of blacks in America.



2 posted on 03/25/2007 5:20:32 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Anti-socialist Bostonian, Anti-Illegal Immigration Bush supporter, Pro-Life Atheist)
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To: Flavius
Given the role Muslims played in the slave trade, this always puzzles me.

3 posted on 03/25/2007 5:20:37 AM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: Flavius
That's because they all watched "Roots" and, although it's been some years since the last broadcast, they want to do the heritage thing. I doubt if most people really know what they are getting into when they seek out Islam.



4 posted on 03/25/2007 5:23:14 AM PDT by BuffaloJack
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To: Flavius
It's hard to see why they are attracted. Since 911 was apparently the cause, a cynic might say they are attracted to the violence.



5 posted on 03/25/2007 5:23:52 AM PDT by Brilliant
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Islam has been a part of this country from its beginning,
Wonder what his source for this statement is?


6 posted on 03/25/2007 5:25:10 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: Flavius
How any self respecting black could associate with the religion of the slave traders who were front and center in the slave trade, and are taking slaves today is a mystery to me.



7 posted on 03/25/2007 5:25:56 AM PDT by tkathy
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To: Beckwith
"Given the role Muslims played in the slave trade, this always puzzles me."

How so? The Dim's were the slaveholders; the Confederates; the segregationists; etc. -- and black folks seem to love them for it.

Maybe there's a message here.



8 posted on 03/25/2007 5:30:27 AM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: vetsvette
The South may have purchased the slaves, but it was Connecticut and Massachusetts shipping that ran the store.



9 posted on 03/25/2007 5:32:33 AM PDT by BuffaloJack
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Allahu Akbar, the Muslim call for prayer
Allahu Akbar, loosely converted to English, means TAKE COVER!!!


10 posted on 03/25/2007 5:33:57 AM PDT by Living Free in NH
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More blacks converting to Islam since Sept. 11
More like.....More blacks loosing their minds since Sept. 11.

I suppose the blacks figure they don't have a hard enough life...so they are going to do some self abuse.


11 posted on 03/25/2007 5:38:22 AM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance...)
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To: Flavius
Life is hard. It is really hard if you're stupid.



12 posted on 03/25/2007 5:43:28 AM PDT by Leisler
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To: vetsvette
How so?

Educate yourself!

What also amazes me in your post is that you identify a period in the new world's history of slavery exclusively to the period between 1776 and 1864 and the United States of America.

One must remember that not all states were slave states, either.


Slavery existed in the new world since the Spanish introduced it in the 15th century.

3 November 1493:

On his second voyage, Columbus again reaches the New World (modern Dominica). On this voyage he initiates the first transatlantic slave voyage, a shipment of several hundred Taino people sent from Hispaniola to Spain. There are doubts about the legality of their enslavement in Spain.

It's easy to identify a public school education.

13 posted on 03/25/2007 5:48:13 AM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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By the way, that's European slavery.

The politically correct crowd have no problem with indigenous or 3rd world slavery.

Hell, they got no problem with 21st century Muslim slavery.

14 posted on 03/25/2007 5:50:46 AM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: vetsvette
Good Morning Vetsvette,
Respectfully, please do not exclude that Notherners(Repubs) also owned slaves as well at one time.

Muslim: just another name for a person who walks around, full of hate, mad at the world and a likely terrorist who wants America to fall.

Sincerely,
NSNR, A Vet as well



15 posted on 03/25/2007 5:52:14 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat (Xin Loi My Boy!!!!)
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To: Beckwith
Did I say anything about states?

My point was the Dim's and their predecessors were the slaveholders and segregationists. My only reference to location, and it was indirect, was the "Confederates", who were also Dim's.

16 posted on 03/25/2007 5:54:13 AM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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To: Beckwith
"It's easy to identify a public school education."

How true!! But, take heart, it's not too late for YOU to learn to read.



17 posted on 03/25/2007 5:55:33 AM PDT by vetsvette (Bring Him Back)
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First they flock to the party of slavery(democrat) Now they are attracted to the cult of slavery



18 posted on 03/25/2007 5:55:33 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs...nothing more than Bald Haired Hippies!)
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This may be popular because it is perceived to be a shortcut to power.

I used to watch Farrakhan on Sunday mornings before church. I now believe that the Nation of Islam does NOT worship allah, but rather civil rights.

19 posted on 03/25/2007 5:56:44 AM PDT by Cyclops08
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This may be popular because it is perceived to be a shortcut to power.

I used to watch Farrakhan on Sunday mornings before church. I now believe that the Nation of Islam does NOT worship allah, but rather civil rights.

20 posted on 03/25/2007 5:56:45 AM PDT by Cyclops08
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sorry about the double post.



21 posted on 03/25/2007 5:57:29 AM PDT by Cyclops08
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Why is aboriginal and Australia in the keyword place? Obviously, you didn't necessarily put it in there--it isn't directed only at you.



22 posted on 03/25/2007 6:00:54 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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Wait till the Imans start demanding equal time on TV. There will be mass conversions by the secular left. At last a religion they can embrace!



23 posted on 03/25/2007 6:01:33 AM PDT by ABN 505
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islam is like Hotel California... you can check in... but you can NEVER leave. islam needs to be legislated as a death cult, and outlawed in the USA and all of her territories!

LLS

24 posted on 03/25/2007 6:03:59 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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It is puzzling, but "Christians" also participated in the slave trade (incidentally, today is supposed to be the two hundredth anniversary of the British abolishing the slave trade in the British Empire).
Furthermore, American slaveowners almost unanimously identified themselves as "Christian."


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Is American of African descent turning from Christianity unfounded?
Yes.

Can it be seen where it comes from?
Yes.


25 posted on 03/25/2007 6:05:27 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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Pretty harsh, especially since vetsvette is all but agreeing with you.



26 posted on 03/25/2007 6:07:27 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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I would totally suport your suggestion.



27 posted on 03/25/2007 6:09:12 AM PDT by BuffaloJack
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Given the role Muslims played ...and continues to play... in the African slave trade, this always puzzles me.
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Amen!

Question: Given the above re: slavery, has anybody ever heard an explaination -- by a black -- explaining why American blacks are converting? To defy the white man? But Arabs are white...


28 posted on 03/25/2007 6:09:48 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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"How any self respecting black could associate with the religion of the slave traders who were front and center in the slave trade, and are taking slaves today is a mystery to me."
Don't these same people consistently vote for the political party that wanted to continue slavery?

29 posted on 03/25/2007 6:13:05 AM PDT by JLGALT (Don't put down Muslims. They're just like everyone else - if everyone else is a mass murderer!)
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Relax, that wasn't a slam against you -- but the public schoolm system.



30 posted on 03/25/2007 6:15:09 AM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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Not all of African descent do those things.
Look at the vast majority of environmentalists and non-Muslim anti-war activists: they are predominantly of European descent. Are these people representative of all Americans of European descent? Definitely not.

So, are Americans of African descent who are Democrats or have become Muslims representative of all Americans of African descent? Definitely not.



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Furthermore, some of the condescending attitudes which could be asserting itself on this thread could drive away Americans of African descent from the Republicans.


31 posted on 03/25/2007 6:16:09 AM PDT by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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It is puzzling, but "Christians" also participated in the slave trade

Absolutely true -- but I don't remember where Jesus said slavery was a good idea -- Mohammed encouraged it ans said it was a good thing. Holds true to this moment.

There's a lot of "Christians" running around today that say homosexuality is a good thing. That doesn't infer that Christianity says it's a good thing.

I love moral relativism (/sarcasm).

32 posted on 03/25/2007 6:19:45 AM PDT by Beckwith (dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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Did you know that the NORTHERN State of New Jersey did NOT outlaw slavery until 1846? Did you know that even after that date, a provision was passed that allowed the remaining slaves to be retained as slaves and even sold as personal property. The hypocrisy of the North is evident in redacted and rewritten history.

http://www.slavenorth.com/newjersey.htm

"In 1830, of the 3,568 Northern blacks who remained slaves, more than two-thirds were in New Jersey. The institution was rapidly declining in the 1830s, but not until 1846 was slavery permanently abolished. At the start of the Civil War, New Jersey citizens owned 18 "apprentices for life" (the federal census listed them as "slaves") -- legal slaves by any name.

"New Jersey's emancipation law carefully protected existing property rights. No one lost a single slave, and the right to the services of young Negroes was fully protected. Moreover, the courts ruled that the right was a 'species of property,' transferable 'from one citizen to another like other personal property.'

Thus "New Jersey retained slaveholding without technically remaining a slave state."

Sounds to me like a clintoon wrote that law!

LLS



33 posted on 03/25/2007 6:20:13 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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Nation of Gods and Earths/Five Percent FAQ (frequently asked questions)
There were more converting in prison way before 9/11 when I worked at the Metropolitan Opera in the early 90's.

There were what was called 5 Percenters, they were polite young men who mama's rasied them as Chirstians and some how they got involved in this group.

The prisons are filled with 5 percenters and the schools also got to these black children.

Islam in the Mix: Lessons of the Five Percent


34 posted on 03/25/2007 6:20:22 AM PDT by restornu (Accept Nothing Until It Is Verify)
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"Given the role Muslims played in the slave trade, this always puzzles me."
I also find it curious that black women would accept the subservient role that Islam demands of them since they have always been the strength of the family unit.

It might be that the increase in successful recruitment is happening mostly in prisons. If so, this spells trouble. But, it's no surprise really. Since Jackson, Mfume, Waters, Belafonte, Sharpton, Farakan, Sheila Jackson-Lee and others began self servingly dismantling the message of MLK, blacks have lived without a central identity other than bouncing a basketball as they went from negroes, to soul brothers, to Afros, to African-Americans, to blacks and now gangsta rappper antagonist.

As an outsider observing their community I sense that they would naturally feel abandoned by this country to a degree because they have slavishly conscripted themselves to the democrat party which has let them down for a couple of generations. It seems logical that they would seek some roots, or some central connection. This, of course is a natural recruitment ground for Islam which will begin with belonging and discipline and turn it into resentment and revenge.

They have been promised the moon by pimp politicians who have used them since the 60's and now many of them may be willingly joining another movement that seeks to exploit their numbers and their animosity.

The foregoing is the opinion of this author and does not represent the feelings of American academia or it's sponsors.


35 posted on 03/25/2007 6:22:18 AM PDT by Baynative (Bury me with a golf glove in my pocket -- just in case.)
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Absolutely. The GOP was formed by religious people who were against slavery while the dims fought to continue slavery.



36 posted on 03/25/2007 6:22:56 AM PDT by tkathy
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[brucefan]

1. What a cesspool!

Excuse me,I need to bathe.

[Aviation Pro]

2. Told ya...

....

[Turbineguy]

3. Faith based Initiatives

"...daycare facility, a re-entry program for released inmates, a health clinic and a program for entrepreneurs..."

I wish these Freepers would make up their minds.

[Wilber_Stool]

4. No, thanks

There's a Clark Gable movie on.

[Bitwit1234]

5. Glancing some of those posts is sickening

No wonder our America is in just trouble with people like that who were in control. And of yes, the leaders spew the same rhetoic. One thing. The one post....The "Dims" are the slave traders. The worst bunch of religious nutso psychotics ARE from the south, but they are republicans. How does he explain that.

[ourbluenation]

7. oh come on - don't get in the way of their revisionist history lesson!

Nevermind the blatant racism, the innacurate content is just plain sad. You just wanna lock them in a room and have them deprogrammed.

[Clark2008]

13. You're not much better.

No - the worst bunch of religious nutso reside in the mid-West. Yes, we have our share down here, but they're not in as much abundance as folks on this board would like to believe. And, not all Christians are fundie nuts. In fact, the vast majority aren't.

Please - consult your purple map. The reddest of the red areas is the Plains States. The South has nearly as much purple as most of the North. We just have fewer large cities to get us over the 49 percent hump.

[Aviation Pro]

14. True....

...the reddest of red states, I believe, is Indiana. Though God only knows why.

[Bjorn Against]

21. Actually Utah and Idaho are even more red

Indiana actually turned much more purple after the last election.

[Aviation Pro]

23. I stand corrected....

...

[Clark2008]

30. I think, in all of the red to purple states, the reason is the media.

I know that here, we have no radio talk show that isn't right-wing. None. Zilch. Nada. Even the local guys lean more right than left.

I don't think it's the good people of the South or the mid-West who are simply stupid - I think they don't have time to search out more media than what they hear on their car radio.

[WritingIsMyReligion]

6. Holy shit. The Southerners were Democrats?

Er, yeah, in the sense that Democrats then were NOT analogous to Democrats now...The parties were almost exactly opposite from what they are now.

Open a US History textbook someday, perhaps?

[ourbluenation]

8. dixiecrats

[Canuckistanian]

9. The racists don't want to believe their ancestors were Democrats

They think that Democrats have always been pinko liberals.

[WritingIsMyReligion]

10. Hahaha, they were wrong.

As usual.

[krispos42]

16. Selective history again. n/t

[BushOut06]

11. Once again, the Freeper reveals himself as a racist, xenophobic asshole

ZOMG, some blacks are converting to Islam! Two groups that the Freeper absolutely hates! What is the Freeper to do?

[Clark2008]

12. I think they have the definition incorrect in this post:

Muslim: just another name for a person who walks around, full of hate, mad at the world and a likely terrorist who wants America to fall.

That sounds like a Bush-Republican to me.

[johnfunk]

19. Actually, that FReeper defined... (drum roll)...

Timothy McVeigh and all of his racist, seditionist, terrorist fellow travelers.

[krispos42]

15. Apparently, they never noticed that parties change over time

They are proudly proclaimin how Republicanism was agains slavery, while totally ignoring the fact that when DEMOCRATS pushed through the Civil Rights Act the South went almost completely Republican.

They also ignore the fact that Southerners used the Bible extensively to justify slavery as a divine institution.

[Clark2008]

31. Um... no.

I keep hearing that, but, quite honestly, the South didn't vote completely Republican until 1994 - a full 30 years AFTER the Civil Rights movement.

Where do people get these ideas?

The South moved to the "R" column in 1994, but, even still, voted to re-elect Clinton (for the most part) in 1996.

BTW, I'm a Southerner and I don't use the Bible to justify slavery; therefore, your premise is incorrect. "Southerners" don't do that - just SOME fundie-nuts who live here (and in Utah and in New Mexico and in New York and, well, everywhere fundie-nuts reside).

[pagandem4justice]

17. OMG...

Just this excerpt you posted had me feeling slimy just for reading it - I couldn't bear to open the link to the whole thread.

But as revolting as the post was overall, this last bit -- even after all that -- still had the power to shock and disgust me to a further level:

Since Jackson, Mfume, Waters, Belafonte, Sharpton, Farakan, Sheila Jackson-Lee and others began self servingly dismantling the message of MLK, blacks have lived without a central identity other than bouncing a basketball as they went from negroes, to soul brothers, to Afros, to African-Americans, to blacks and now gangsta rappper antagonist.

That's just revolting, in so many ways...

[Aviation Pro]

18. Perhaps this poster/poseur should have a conversation with this man....

COL Stephen Twitty is the commanding officer of 4th Brigade, 1st Armored Cavalry Division. His bio is here: http://pao.hood.army.mil/1stcavdiv/units/4thbde/leadership.htm

I'm sure he identifies completely with "gangsta rappers" as he commands his soldiers in Iraq.

Of course the poster probably is an elite warrior of the 106th Keyboard Division, 11th Wet-My-Pants Brigade, 3rd Yellowbellied Battalion and is camoflouged in this position:

[malaise]

20. More than a few Africans who were captured, brought to

this hemisphere and enslaved were Muslims. But who the hell would expect Freepers to read and learn before they spew their rubbish.

[Aviation Pro]

22. Their rubbish is selective and often....

...bullshit. It is the same behavior a four-year old exhibits with the inevitable temper tantrum at the end. Perhaps they need a high seat.

[Cheap_Trick]

24. freeptards

are a bunch of yellow pussies who would piss themselves if actually confronted by a black man.

[Turbineguy]

25. Just curious...

Just how many people are signed up with Free Republic? I mean just how many unemployable 47 year old white guys who live in their Mom's basement can there be?

[MN ChimpH8R]

26. Freeperville is such a typhoon of horseshit

bigotry, xenophobic assholism, baldfaced ignorance amd to-the-bone stupidity that words fail me.

These people are allowed to run loose and reproduce?? I guess that's what happens when you don't scrape the scum from the gene pool for a few generations. :scared: :wtf: :yoiks:

[philosophie_en_rose]

27. Did they eat tainted dog food, because their rantings do not make sense.

And it's really telling that they refer to "a black" and "the cause of blacks." Very indicative of their racist stereotypes. If you're not white and liberal, you're not a "credit to your race." :eyes:

Yet, somehow the GOP is still fighting slavery and championing human rights. :wtf: Nevertheless, they condemn Farrakhan because he worships civil rights and is not a Muslim. Although being a Muslim is allegedly bad. And civil rights are good. Except when non-whites use them. Except. . .

Seriously. :wtf:


What the fuck?

[northzax]

28. using the name Beckwith alone...

as in Byron de la?

[Aviation Pro]

34. Probably Charlie....

...as in "Charging Charlie Beckwith" the late Colonel of the U.S. Army who initiated and built Delta Force.

[northzax]

35. probably, but since the sentiments expressed

are a lot closer to Byron than Chas, I don't think I shall besmirch Charging Charlie by forcing him to associate with the trash

[Codeine]

29. All religions are cesspools.

The brand of religious hate expressed on FreeRepublic is as repulsive as the brand of religious hate preached in Saudi Arabia. A pox on all their houses.

[and-justice-for-all]

32. Thats funny ...

...Freepland thinks they are FREE!!Hahaha; the system owns their ass and ours. They call this a Democracy, but its really not.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

33. The Southern ones are having a hard time in this thread

On the one hand, they come from a long tradition of all that Confederacy crap and resentment toward the North. On the other, you've got this meme about how the Democrats are the party of slave-holders, segregation, etc. All things that freepii, particularly those from under the Mason-Dixon Line secretly, or not-so-secretly, applaud.

So they have to pretend to condemn racism to accuse Dems of it so that they can continue to practice racism comfortably as a Republican, while pretending to applaud Republicans for ushering in the very defeat and reversal of racial policies that they are STILL bitter about to this day.

Their bigoted little heads are exploding and the contents are strewn across that bizarre thread.