Has anyone heard any story on teevee that asks why a *reasonable* item is in the StimBill?

[Stinky The Clown]

I haven't.

I hear about tennis courts and Hollywood film preservation and resodding the National Mall and miniature golf courses and birth control and ..... and ...... and ......

Each of these tiny, funny sounding line items are proffered in discussion in support of what a shitty bill it is.

No one with any teevee volume is discussing the substantial things that are in it. Everyone with any teevee volume is saying what porkers the Dems are.

Collectively, we are being LIED TO. "Hahahaha. Isn't that funny? Silly Dems. Borrow and spend on silly projects."

The president asked for 'shovel ready projects." That's what those 'silly projects' are. And none of them are silly if one considers them in a moment of sobriety.

But that's not what our media is about.

We ***really*** need to get the media back to reporting the truth. Obama was sworn in at Noon on January 20th. The media, which had pretty much been favoring him in the primaries and then in the campaign against Palin and that old guy, switch in a heartbeat. By 12:01 on that same January 20th, control was restored to The Heritage Foundation and AEI and Club For Growth and a bunch of other viper pits.

Every story on teevee having to do with anything in DC is slanted heavily to the RW.

Wall to wall.

This needs to end.

I wish I knew how.

[Romulox]

1. Take the pork out if you don't want it to tarnish the larger bill. Simple. nt

[Stinky The Clown]

2. What pork?

[Romulox]

4. Anything that isn't designed to create jobs in the US is "pork" in a "stimulus" bill.

There are several items that meet the above description in the current bill.

[Stinky The Clown]

6. Building things not now built creates jobs

Golf courses and tennis courts and putting new sod on the Mall all need people to do stuff. Those would be jobs.

Can you provide an example of pork?

My essential point, however, is that the attack is coming from media-framed actual projects being cast as silly.

[Romulox]

7. Hiring me a butler and maid at $400 billion each per annum would also create "jobs"

The question is whether resodding the Mall would be the most effective way of creating the largest number of jobs.

[RaleighNCDUer]

8. Resodding the Mall -

You need nurseries to grow the sod. Truckers to transport the sod. Groundskeepers to prep the ground and lay the sod. Groundskeepers to maintain the sod in the early weeks when it is still fragile. And of course, all the attendant bookkeepers, administrative assistants, and other support staff for the nursery, the trucking company, the groundskeeping company. And the fast food places that will be catering to these people who will be eating away from the house. And the babysitters for those workers with young children. And the retail clerks who will be selling stuff to those who are collecting paychecks. And the babysitters for those retail clerks.

And so the ripples spread throughout the local economy.

Actually, projects like resodding the Mall are exactly what's called for, because they employ large numbers of people at the lower end of the economic spectrum. That puts the most money in the most hands possible. Which helps more - putting a million dollars in the hands of 20 people, or dividing it between 200 people? Which option puts the most money into circulation?

[Romulox]

9. You could do this same sort of analysis with the Ferrari dealer.

This calls for an academic treatment. ANY purchase will send ripples through the economy. That does not mean that every purchase will create the same number of jobs.

[RaleighNCDUer]

12. You could benefit with improved reading comprehension.

How does your mythical Ferrari dealer figure into this? Are Ferrari dealerships mentioned in the stimulus package?

The ENTIRE package is about job creation. Resodding the Mall creates jobs in the US, and all the spinoff from those jobs is local. THAT is what the stimulus package is about. It's not about a 'purchase' - it is about job creation.

But you know that already.

[Romulox]

13. I'm so sick of posters insulting people with whom they disagree.

Do you think you make yourself look smarter by insulting others? Do you know what projection is?

"How does your mythical Ferrari dealer figure into this?"

It's called a "hypothetical". Look it up.

[RaleighNCDUer]

17. No, it's not a hypothetical - it is a complete misunderstanding of what

a stimulus is.

Your 'Ferrari dealer' is REPUBLICAN economics. Trickle down. Start with a big purchase and watch the money flow down from it to piss on the lowest levels.

The building projects are trickle UP. It starts with the lowest common denominator of manual labor - jobs. That labor is the reason for existence of support staff and middle managers, then up to companies, then up to the banks who are dependent upon loans they've made to those companies.

If money goes to the banks, it stays there. If money goes to work projects, ANY work projects, whether it is resodding the Mall or building miniature golf courses or paving rural gravel roads, the money goes to the companies which need to hire workers to get the jobs done.

Now, if you'd said Chevy dealer, instead of Ferrari dealer, you'd have a better argument, because that directly supports American workers. The Ferrari dealer supports the absolute minimum of US workers, and the production is outside the US, and the profits ultimately move offshore as well, leaving only a tiny percentage which trickles down from the dealer's income from the sales.

You've just heard the talking heads on the corporate news networks talking about all the pork and you believe them. Remember, 'Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see'. NOTHING from them can be taken at face value.

[Stinky The Clown]

10. So you're in favor of .... what?

You spent your posts in this thread being a little superior and dismissive sounding. That's okay. So maybe now you can spend a little time telling us how you think it ought to be.

[RaleighNCDUer]

11. He's in favor of anything that disparages Obama.

Nothing more, nothing less.

[Romulox]

15. That's silly. nt

[Romulox]

14. Infrastructure spending, universal healthcare, bankruptcy reform, and homeowner bailouts.

That's what I'm in favor of.

"You spent your posts in this thread being a little superior and dismissive sounding."

Me having an opinion that differs from yours is not "superior" or "dismissive".

[Stinky The Clown]

16. No, you're right.

It was tone, not substance.

[MH1]

3. Birth control sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

Someone has to make the pills (creating jobs), and making them more available will cut down on future welfare costs starting 9 months (or just a little more) from now.

[Romulox]

5. I've heard that most prescription drugs are Made in China nowadays...nt

[Stinky The Clown]

18. This OP WAS NOT about anything in the replies to it. Sheeesh ....

The OP asked simply if anyone has heard on teevee any serious discussion about the large, meaningful provisions in the stimulus bill (as opposed to the chattering morons talking about tennis courts).

The point is, his is a SERIOUS MATTER and our worthless media have treated it as a silly distraction.

THAT was the point of the OP.