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dancingme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 03:58 PM
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Queen's gift shop sells racist rag dolls
LONDON — Managers of one of Queen Elizabeth II's country estates have apologized for selling a soft toy with racist connotations in their gift shop.

Sandringham Estate's management said Thursday it did not intend to cause any offense by selling the rag dolls, which resemble black-faced minstrels and are popularly known as "golliwogs."

They were popular toys in Britain during the early part of the 20th century, but the doll and its name are now considered racist.

The toys have been withdrawn from sale at the estate inn Norfolk, 110 miles northeast of London.

Earlier this week, the BBC dropped Carol Thatcher, daughter of former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, from a TV show after she reportedly referred to an unidentified tennis player as a golliwog backstage.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,488605,00.html

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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 04:00 PM
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1. reading the thread title... I thought you meant Queens NEW YORK
and was thinking, "now there's a storefront that'll be hurting real soon".
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dancingme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 04:04 PM
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2. sorry for the confusion
I see your point.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 04:09 PM
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3. I'm actually a cloth doll artist. Golliwogs are an actual art form in dollmaking
in and of themselves.

They are no longer seen as referring to human beings and are considered more like the Elves and such.

And some doll collectors would definately want one in their collection.

Here's a pix of an antique Golliwog-



Sadly, you can see the racist past of the Golliwog. But is it necessary to jettison art forms like this?
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 04:11 PM
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5. You call that art?
Racist or not, it looks hideous.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 04:23 PM
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9. LOL! That's a really old one. Patterns would show up in like Ladies Housekeeping magazine or whateve
I didn't check to see if the pix was of a manufactured or homemade.

Think of sewing up a basic pancake doll. Two flat pieces of cloth. Having a black base fabric when you do that yields a "Golliwog".

Not so different in form/shape than a Raggedy Ann or Andy doll.


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Glorfindel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 04:15 PM
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6. "Golliwog's Cakewalk" by Claude Debussy, a lovely musical piece
Surely this wasn't meant to be offensive or racist?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcnWx5NNjoE
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 04:23 PM
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10. Even the piano is offensively pitch black.

:sarcasm:

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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 04:27 PM
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11. Is there a white Golliwog doll?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 04:28 PM
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13. ...
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 04:33 PM
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15. Yes, Raggedy Ann and Andy are essentially same pancake type doll (2 pieces cloth sewn flat) s
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 04:27 PM
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12. Well, sure.
In the sense that burning crosses are an actual art form in pyrotechnics and carpentry.
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 04:33 PM
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14. Is this the $4M family business on Long Island? (n/t)
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 04:36 PM
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16. I wish my work was worth that much. (n/t)
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 04:52 PM
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19. This is..
racist crap.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 04:10 PM
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4. No surprise from those people.
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 04:19 PM
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7. You know an American invented them right?
No surprise from those people...right?
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 04:38 PM
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17. I thought Golliwogs were Dutch?
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 06:25 PM
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20. She wrote about the golliwog palling about with Dutch dolls
Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golliwogg

"In order to afford tuition to art school, she illustrated a children's book entitled The Adventures of Two Dutch Dolls and a Golliwogg. The 1895 book included a character named the "Golliwogg", who was first described as "a horrid sight, the blackest gnome..."
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 04:19 PM
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8. Holy XTC Batman!
There's a song called 'Toys' they did in the 80's and the first verse is ...

Sindy's spending too much money on clothes
Ken is going back to Gay Bob
The Teddy bears swear the neighbourhood's gone
Since the moving in of Golliwog


Now I know! And knowing is half the fun!
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 04:44 PM
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18. Hell, even I know that's offensive as hell and I'm from a little
hick town in the middle of nowhere. :wtf: is wrong with people?
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