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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 08:35 PM
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What is the "povery level" now days?
Is it 12,000? 25,000? My googling skills need sharpening I can't seem to find an actual dollar amount.

Any smart DU'ers know the answer? :)

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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 08:36 PM
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1. Apparently for CEOs it's $500,000.
Edited on Thu Feb-05-09 08:37 PM by SammyWinstonJack
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 08:39 PM
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2. This Econ major says...here you go! :
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 08:43 PM
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4. Your soooo good!
Thank you!

I am trying to help a family in need with public assistance, just needed a figure to work with.

:hi:
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SoCalNative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 08:41 PM
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3. Here's the 2008 levels
2008 HHS Poverty Guidelines (the first number reps number of persons in household. 2nd is the amount in the contiguous 48 states
# of persons in household 48 Cont+DC Alaska Hawaii
1 $10,400 $13,000 $11,960
2 14,000 17,500 16,100
3 17,600 22,000 20,240
4 21,200 26,500 24,380
5 24,800 31,000 28,520
6 28,400 35,500 32,660
7 32,000 40,000 36,800
8 35,600 44,500 40,940

For each additional
person, add 3,600 4,500 4,140

SOURCE: Federal Register, Vol. 73, No. 15, January 23, 2008, pp. 3971–3972

http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/08Poverty.shtml
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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 08:44 PM
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6. wow.. 14,000 2 person household.
damn.

Thank you for your help!
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 08:55 PM
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10. 2009 numbers are up too ...
Edited on Thu Feb-05-09 08:56 PM by ColbertWatcher
http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/09Poverty.shtml


The 2009 Poverty Guidelines for the 48 Contiguous States
and the District of Columbia
Persons in family- Poverty guideline
1 - $10,830
2 - 14,570
3 - 18,310
4 - 22,050
5 - 25,790
6 - 29,530
7 - 33,270
8 - 37,010
For families with more than 8 persons, add $3,740 for each additional person.


2009 Poverty Guidelines for Alaska
Persons in family- Poverty guideline
1 - $13,530
2 - 18,210
3 - 22,890
4 - 27,570
5 - 32,250
6 - 36,930
7 - 41,610
8 - 46,290
For families with more than 8 persons, add $4,680 for each additional person.


2009 Poverty Guidelines for Hawaii

Persons in family- Poverty guideline
1 - $12,460
2 - 16,760
3 - 21,060
4 - 25,360
5 - 29,660
6 - 33,960
7 - 38,260
8 - 42,560
For families with more than 8 persons, add $4,300 for each additional person.


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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 08:43 PM
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5. Also:
The Federal poverty level is ludicrous, simply b/c it doesn't take into account the differences in the cost of living in different areas of the country.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 08:46 PM
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7. The Federal Poverty index is horribly, inaccurately low.
The largest problem with it is that it is not regional. One definition for every part of the country. A family of Four is I believe at around 20,000.

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Texasgal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 08:49 PM
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8. yeah, I noticed that..
Public assistance is getting harder to obtain with these numbers. :(
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 08:55 PM
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9. A family of four could barely survive
on $20,000 if at all. That's about 1,667 a month. Rent would take half if not more, clothing, utilities, health care, food and if they are lucky enough to have a car, transportation costs ... I can't even fathom. But there are going to be more and more in that category sooner than most think.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:07 PM
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12. Exactly. Here's a transcript of excellent testimony to congress on problems with poveryt measurment
Edited on Thu Feb-05-09 09:08 PM by Political Heretic
Defining Poverty

By Mark Greenberg | August 1, 2007

The following is an excerpt of the testimony of Mark Greenberg, Director of the Task Force on Poverty at the Center for American Progress, to the Subcommittee on Income Security and Family Support of the House Committee on Ways and Means. To download a PDF of his full testimony, please click here.

Thank you for holding this hearing and others this year, bringing renewed attention to the importance of addressing poverty in America. In this testimony, I will provide some brief background, and then discuss why the method for measuring poverty should be updated, some principles that should guide the effort and recommendations to move the process forward.

I am the director of the Task Force on Poverty at the Center for American Progress, a nonprofit, nonpartisan public policy think tank in Washington, D.C. I am on leave from the Center for Law and Social Policy, where I was the Director of Policy. CAP’s 14-member Task Force was charged with making a case for why the nation should address poverty and proposing a strategy for how to do so. In April, CAP’s Task Force released its report, “From Poverty to Prosperity: A National Strategy to Cut Poverty in Half.”

Our Task Force’s principal focus was not on the definition of poverty, but rather strategies for addressing it. Nevertheless, the question of how poverty should be defined came up repeatedly in our efforts, in two significant and related ways.

* First, when seeking the views of state and local actors about strategies to reduce poverty, one of the most common initial observations was that it was rarely useful to use the official poverty line as a measure of need, because it was so low in relation to living costs. In recent years, the increased reliance on approaches like self-sufficiency standards, family budgets, and setting program eligibility at some multiple of the poverty line is a direct response to concerns that the poverty line simply doesn’t adequately reflect the amounts that families need in order to get by.
* Second, as our Task Force considered policy responses to reduce poverty, we faced, in practical terms, an issue that is routinely recognized in the academic discussions of poverty measurement. Many initiatives that would clearly improve economic well-being for low-income families would have no effect on poverty under official measures, because the official measure does not count the effects of tax policy and near-cash benefits or adjust for work-related costs. For example, expanding the Earned Income Tax Credit or Child Tax Credit would not reduce the official poverty rate (except indirectly if it affected employment), even though it would increase family resources. Expanding child care assistance would not reduce the official poverty rate (except by raising employment) even though it would defray costs that families face in going to work. Expanded housing subsidies or improved food stamp participation rates would also not affect the official poverty rate.

We ultimately addressed the first issue by emphasizing in our report that while 37 million Americans were living in poverty, a far larger group faced the challenge of making ends meet, and by developing policy proposals that were sensitive to and grounded in this reality. We addressed the second issue by using a modified measure of poverty when calculating the poverty reduction effects of our proposals, drawing upon recommendations from the National Academy of Sciences’ Panel on Poverty and Family Assistance: Concepts, Information Needs and Measurement Methods in “Measuring Poverty: A New Approach” (National Research Council, 1995). This modified measure counted the effects of tax policy, treated food stamps and housing benefits as income, and deducted out-of-pocket child care expenses from income. Only in doing so could one fully see the real effects of a set of policies in improving family well-being. At the same time, we could not readily incorporate every NAS recommendation into our analysis, and only adjusted poverty thresholds to the extent necessary to begin our analysis with the same number of people in poverty as would be the case under official measures. Our experience underscored the need for the federal government to improve and modernize the definition of poverty, in order to develop both more realistic thresholds, a better measure of resources, and a more effective way to gauge the effects of government policies.

While my principal focus in this testimony is on the need to improve the poverty measure, I want to begin by emphasizing that we get much valuable information from the current one. The current measure is a useful and reliable indicator of the extent of serious deprivation, and of the extent of disparities across races, sex, and ages, workers and non-workers, and other groups. Most importantly, year-to-year changes help us understand whether more or fewer families are struggling to get by. Alternative measures—including those based on the National Academies of Sciences recommendations—show different poverty levels, but typically reflect quite similar trends because the largest sources of income and, thus, the largest “driver” of poverty rates will be cash
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sohndrsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:04 PM
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11. It's 3 times more than I made last year... correction almost 5.
AND I did pay taxes... which I didn't exactly expect. I thought I was going to qualify for the "rebate", and I did - as far as the amount I took IN, but the expenses I paid OUT put me below the threshold. It sort of felt like a cruel irony, because for someone who makes so little, and who paid taxes (that were hard to pay - a lot for me that I really couldn't afford but I owed it, so...) doesn't qualify for a rebate because I'm TOO poor.

(sigh....)

Man, I'd be in heaven if my income was as high as the poverty threshold. It would profoundly change my life.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:10 PM
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13. How many in household?
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-05-09 09:12 PM
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14. Here in my home the poverty level is EXTREME n/t
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