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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:20 PM
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Rice urges Egypt to reform its democracy
But... but... but we were told that after we invaded Iraq, then all the countries in the Middle East would become FREE.

"Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Sunday she raised U.S. criticism of Egyptian democracy efforts with President Hosni Mubarak, but added the United States would not try to dictate how Egypt should proceed.

"I've made my concerns known, as well as my hopes, for continued reform here in Egypt," Rice told a news conference in this southern city after talks with the Egyptian president and foreign minister. "The process of reform is one that is difficult — it's going to have its ups and downs."

Rice's latest trip to the Middle East coincides with a political storm in Egypt over the terms and timing of a national vote on constitutional changes."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070325/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/rice_egypt
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:21 PM
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1. Boy, is that rich, or what?
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:29 PM
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2. "she would not dictate how Egypt should proceed"!!
Then why is she over there telling them how to run their country?

bushies and especially Rice, are not appreciated, more like hated in that area of the world, to say nothing of our old allies, the Europeans. Get her out of there.

Better yet, get bush out of our White House. Hagel even mention that problems that bush is sounding like a dictator. Dictator was not his word but meant the same thing.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:33 PM
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7. see (below) what she was objecting to. She has a valid criticism---the
question is if she is in the position (given her past record) to deliver this message.


Madeline allright would have been in a better positon (before the Bushies did there damage).

Having said that-------the US needs to continue to push for human rights.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:30 PM
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3. Rice tones down criticism of Egypt over reforms--I do not think she should


Forum Name General Discussion: Politics
Topic subject Rice tones down criticism of Egypt over reforms--I do not think she should
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3180784#3180784
3180784,

Rice tones down criticism of Egypt over reforms--I do not think she should
Posted by rodeodance on Sun Mar-25-07 12:02 PM

be backing down so easily. Seems to me this clause----so called Reform--is just as bad as our Patriot Act---and NSA etc.





http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070325/wl_nm/egypt_rice_dc ;_ylt=AmLUHqQGikO3_cmqnvY7Hl_MWM0F

Rice tones down criticism of Egypt over reforms

By Arshad Mohammed and Alaa Shahine Sun Mar 25, 8:27 AM ET

ASWAN, Egypt (Reuters) - U.S. Secretary of State
Condoleezza Rice on Sunday toned down criticism of planned amendments to Egypt's constitution that rights groups have called a step backward for freedom and democracy.

..........

The amendments include an anti-terrorism clause that enshrines sweeping police powers of arrest and surveillance in the constitution. Opposition groups, including the powerful Muslim Brotherhood, plan to boycott the ballot.
............

The amendments would allow Mubarak to dissolve parliament unilaterally and would weaken judicial oversight of elections, which have been marred by complaints of irregularities. The amendments would also bar political activity based on religion, seen as a swipe at the Muslim Brotherhood.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 02:24 PM
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15. In my opinion, Condi does not know the meaning of Diplomacy.
Condi is now interested in human rights around the world? She ought to check out Sudan, Iraq, China and her specialty, Russia. Sorry for rant, she is so full of it that it is hard to give her credit for anything. She is like bush, she tells you what she expects you to do. She doesn't discuss things.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:32 PM
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4. Rice has become Bush's emmisary...
...to deal with things he doesn't really mean or care about.

Can you say ineffective?

--IMM
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jimshoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 01:33 PM
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14. You could probably add
irrelevant to that as well.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 03:58 PM
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16. Definitely.
--IMM
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Lobster Martini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:32 PM
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5. An election in Egypt might not be fair?
Edited on Sun Mar-25-07 12:34 PM by Lobster Martini
What, Egyptian elections aren't fair? Just because they've had one President for the past 25 years? But in any case, is this really the time to aggravate Egypt? Can Smirky make Qatar hate us too? Then he'll have run the table.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:32 PM
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6. Since the day she was appointed to a federal position
what has rice done. Nothing. I think if she had really done anything that she should have bin ladens henchmen would have been caught. Again a republican putting the president before the country they swore to serve.
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:35 PM
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8. Physician, heal thyself!
The nations of the world can righfully laugh in our faces when we criticize them as being "undemocratic". An illegitimately elected, hissy fit throwing frat boy who is trying to subjugate a once proud nation in service to his vaguely Oedipal will to power has no right to instruct anyone on the workings of democracy. He's a joke.
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Ghost in the Machine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:42 PM
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9. Egypt to Condi, BushCo* et al - - - - - - we don't want YOUR
kind of democracy here, but please feel free to spread it to ______________________ <<-------- (insert Egypt's enemies here)


Hey Condi, worry about our own damned democracy and keep your nose out of every other Country's business.
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MN ChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:44 PM
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10. Egypt is as much a "democracy"
as Condimelda is a competent SOS. :puke:
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:45 PM
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11. and she said this with a straight face no doubt
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 12:47 PM
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12. how about a little democracy in the US?
Rice is a waste of skin
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-25-07 01:14 PM
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13. Reform begins at home. What about the US. Our democracy stinks.
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