Christian right wooed by Obama turns on him

[Cherchez la Femme]

Source: The Associated Press/365 gay News

(Washington) Christian conservatives are challenging President Barack Obama’s picks for top Justice Department positions, charging that past clients taint their resumes. The criticism comes ahead of a Senate Judiciary Committee confirmation hearing Thursday for David Ogden, Obama’s pick for deputy attorney general, the No. 2 position at the Justice Department.

Obama’s attorney general, Eric Holder, was confirmed by the Senate on Monday and started work the next day. As he waits for confirmation of his top aides, many on the religious right are questioning the nominee’s backgrounds, saying they have promoted far left, pro-abortion, pro-gay policies.

“Ogden has been an activist in the support of a right to pornography, a right of abortion and the rights of homosexuals,” said Patrick Trueman, a former Justice Department official during the first Bush presidency who is now in private practice.

“It isn’t so much that he’s represented pornographers or that he’s been a porn attorney, but it’s his world view, and his world view reflects President Obama’s world view,” said Trueman, echoing criticism from conservative activist groups like the American Family Association and Focus on the Family.

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The discussion should be on this article therefore I will post my comments separately so as not to, perhaps, derail the discussion on this information or taint it with my opinion(s).

[ixion]

1. to social conservatives: put a sock in it

For decades we listen to this crap, and all they do is cause trouble and strife and -- for all their piety -- tear at the social fabric.

[Cherchez la Femme]

2. Playboy is porn?

Perhaps it was considered so in the 50's, but compared to other magazines and even the celebrity peep-shows shown on TMZ, etc., I'd call Playboy downright tame.

But I digress...


President Obama tried to please the theo-fascists and Conservatives by throwing his loyal Liberals/Progressives and LGBT community under the bus.
And this is the result. Surprise surprise.
Not.

How 'pragmatic' are they when Obama and his people throw a sizable chunk of their base away --the very people who worked long and hard to get him elected-- to even attempt to please people who will never be satisfied unless things go exactly their way?

There is a serious disconnect within Team Obama, and it's extremely troubling.
Their 'pragmatism', ideology, & pure wishful thinking clash mightily with actual reality
-- and that's not even mentioning their serious vetting problems nor their 'reaching across the aisle' to meet with the Repukes to try to talk reason, find common ground and reach consensus with them with the result of not getting one single vote!
Again, surprise! :sarcasm:

Mind you, there's nothing wrong with trying to reach across the aisle, at least they tried;
but where'd this vaunted pragmatism go? Did they REALLY think they could dump their own people and have the Conservatives and Religious Reich, especially after their behavior of the last 8 years, happily jump on board?!

IMO, that refutes the pick of Rahm Emmanuel, DLC Esq. -- this 'tough guy' should know better

...heck, they ALL should!

[eilen]

5. Playboy is tamer than fX

seen Nip/Tuck lately?

[Cherchez la Femme]

25. Oh heck no! (WAY OT)

I'd sooner grate my eyeballs than watch that pablum! :D

...no offense to Nip/Tuck fans, just my personal preferences.


I'm a PBS/Documentary/Paranormal/Science Channel/IFC/Sundance, et. al. watcher (and the non-ridiculous LOGO programs).
But --mea culpa!-- I have gotten addicted to LOST, although I didn't succumb until the end of the 2nd season.
Had a lot of catching up to do!

Strange to say, I've become a fan of The Others and especially Ben Linus! It's not even Ben who is the instigator, although by necessity he's definitely a manipulator par excellence
...the real bad/questionable one is the elusive, fortean Jacob!

If you watch carefully and analyze what each group does, it's the know-it-all --who really don't know dick-- Losties who are the aggressors. Hey, other than Hurley, whose 'bad' past deeds, if any, have never been revealed (to my knowledge at least) they've all conned, lied, stolen, cheated, murdered, &etc. -- and unbelievably they're portrayed as the good guys! :wow:
Heck, it's Doctor Shepherd, the "hero", who viciously beats and punches out just about anyone who crosses him or he takes a dislike to of course without asking Why?! He even wanted to, caveman-like, raise and army and Go To War against The Others! IMO Jack is the biggest, swingingest dick on the island with no forethought but aggression and attack even if he thinks he's helping 'his people'. His frontal lobes don't seem to engage outside of a medical book and he's got the testosterone of 10 men ...and obviously I don't mean that in a good way. :D

And don't get me started on Kate the psychopath... :rofl:

Unlike the survivors The Others are very reluctant to kill and do so only if they must. They took the kids and tried to take the pregnant women to HELP them, although that was unbeknownst to the survivors. The Others don't think about themselves, they even feed and give medicine to the survivors; their only thought is the beneficial future of and protecting the unique, magical island. Admittedly, if The Others were open and shared their knowledge with the survivors all the conflict would be averted, but then the survivors probably wouldn't believe them and worse, there'd be no drama or conflict! ...US television MUST have conflict, because that causes violence and violence sells!! Go USA! :eyes:
Probably based on past encounters with other island newcomers I surmise The Others don't trust the survivors much less want to mingle with such as they; of course it's helpful when they have dossiers on them all. :D
If I knew the 'morals': the lies, cons, and other past deeds of the survivors I probably wouldn't want anything to do with them either.
Therefore, unfortunately, in Ben & The Others defense, the head games are necessary.

To give credit, the writers are very clever to get us to empathize with the survivors, even while divulging their immoral deeds & actions, and to view The Others as the antagonists; so, to me, it's a fascinating show. An even more interesting twist would be to turn Charles Widmore into the REAL good guy... but I don't think that's going to happen -- rude, rich, nasty Capitalists, ya know. ;>

LOL Sooo sorry to digress! But when network TV programs come up... can't help but think of LOST!
Yeah, I'm hooked. Next time I talk about it here will be in the *ugh* Lounge.


Do you watch the show? Am I off on my take on it, do you think?

[knitter4democracy]

26. These people think the New Yorker is porn.

Been there, done that. It got banned from my evangelical Christian college after a prof assigned it to our class and some Christian ed majors got all upset about the short story we were told to read.

[acmavm]

3. Well, that's what you get for trying to deal with the Crotch Police.

[Hubert Flottz]

12. Them preachers all act like the Anti-Crotch until they are...

caught in the act somewhere doing the big nasty. All the slobbering and chin quivering in the world won't save them hypocrites if there really turns out to be a "God" someday.

[Bluenorthwest]

4. Obama came to the chruch very late, a grown man

with postition. He really does not understand the church folk mentality very well. Trinty UCC is not typical of chruches.
The religio vipers play Obama everytime. He forgoes character assesment if the preson announces they are religious. He makes the mistake of taking a person's proclaimation of religion in lieu of watching that person's actions.
The religious allingments always bring him trouble and gain him nothing. Because he is not good at discerning the heart of these people, and he leaves it to others who work their own agendas. I'd like to wear a priest's collar and play poker with Obama.

[Marrah_G]

6. These people are so obsessed with other peoples sex lives

It's got to be some sort of mental illness.

[Cherchez la Femme]

13. I'll never forget

after Bush The Second was selected, one Repig said (actually I believe I saw it on Free Republic, but it's been so long now I can't say for sure) that he's 'happy now that he knows the president will be in bed every night with his wife where he belongs'!

Of course, that's none of his business whatsoever, nor does it denote how good of a president W would be; but what about all those (fairly well substantiated) reports/rumors that Laura was staying at a Washington hotel (can't remember its name) because of his affair with his 'second wife': Condi.

The truth will come out eventually -- and these people STILL won't believe it.

Of all the conditions in the world, deliberate blindness and ignorance is probably the saddest, narrowest and most detrimental to the way things are, i.e.: reality.



BTW, why was this moved from Latest Breaking News to this category? If anyone knows, esp. the moderator (don't know who that was), please post or email me here. It was published late yesterday IIRC, which would put it within the 24 hour period.
...or was this the more appropriate category?

I just want to learn more about the proper way of doing things here, I'm not being contentious...


edit:

Saying Condi was 'Bush's second wife' wasn't quite correct, it was actually Condi who called him her "husband"; Dub never referred to her, in public at least, as his 'second (or other) wife'.

[asthmaticeog]

7. "his world view reflects President Obama’s world view"

Yes, HOW VERY ODD that the winner gets to appoint who he sees fit. :eyes: STFU, fundies. STFU forever.

[LibertyLover]

14. I had the exact same thought

So where were these folks when 43 was appointing people to positions in his (mis)administration who held the same warped views as he did? Yo, fundies - Obama won. Get over it.

[tanyev]

8. To say they "turned on him" implies that they did support him previously.

Not so much.

[Cherchez la Femme]

17. No, not really

although some Republicans, at least, did vote for Obama.

The very disturbing thing is that Team Obama are so naive to think that they could override these narrow minded people's agenda and ideology;
and in the meanwhile, as I mentioned, at the expense and without consideration of his loyal backers.
--I'm not talking just the LGBT community, the "Democratic Left" are spurned almost as badly: all are treated as pariahs within their own party.

[Ocracoker16]

22. Focus on the Family never supported Obama

This getting into po,litics and trying to push their way through is their hallmark. This is not unusual for these whackjobs.

[gratuitous]

9. Oh noes! Nekkid peeples!

That's why I always wear an extra pair of underwear, so I'm not naked underneath my clothes.

Seriously, though, where were these yahoos when the administration was launching aggressive wars of empire, torturing people, indiscriminately bombing civilians and spying on citizens without warrants or probable cause?

[Cherchez la Femme]

16. Just think...

if you were Mormon you could wear extra magic underwear!
Gandalf would be sooo jealous! :evilgrin:

[RJ Connors]

10. Did we expect something else? n/t

[blogslut]

11. Bummer

Must suck to be them.

[Strong Atheist]

15. Good riddance to bad rubbish. President Obama doesn't need them.

Hope the door busts their a** on the way out...

[Cherchez la Femme]

18. No, he doesn't need them

I sure hope he learns that lesson PDQ and stops wasting his time trying to please them,
because that's an impossible task 'a la Sisyphus.

And I hope he makes amends to those he's alienated, for I can say that many in the LGBT community at least, and I dare say some Progressives and Liberals, will no longer support him or the party.
At all.
For the LGBT community, don't forget, there IS a political party who has as a major tenet/platform that we should be treated equally in our society and in our country, with full and identical civil rights.

And if votes are taken away in the future as happened in 2000 it will be nobody's fault but President Obama's and the Democratic Party's own.

[Strong Atheist]

19. I know. I support the LGBT community.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=4854000

[Cherchez la Femme]

23. Thank you hon!!

(If I may call you 'hon' : )

:hug:

GREAT post, btw! Wish I had seen it when it was posted, can't even comment because it's been archived already. (I didn't realize the number of rec's disappeared upon archival.)

I simply can't fathom why the naysayers cannot understand that it is our families who are at stake and we will fight for and protect our spouses and children and the rights regarding same just as any heterosexual family would -- make no mistake about that.

How is that so difficult to comprehend? It is an insane, but seemingly a fairly common opinion/belief.

[Strong Atheist]

24. "If I may call you 'hon' " - Of course, we are all on the same

team. :hug:

I will repost in in a few months (or when the debate demands it) if the rules allow that... I have no idea; I have not studied them thoroughly... maybe I will ask that of a mod (if things can be reposted every 8 or 9 months)...

[spanone]

20. hey right wingnut 'christians' kiss my ever-loving ass

[HillWilliam]

21. And the surprise is ... ?

The most unhappy people in the world who won't be satisfied until everyone else in the world is as miserable as they are. Feh, and a pox on all their houses.

If they'd focus on their own damn families instead of meddling with everyone else's we'd all be better off. Let them Sarah-fest themselves into oblivion. A pox AND a plague on them.