Neocons are starting their "we could've won, but the liberals ruined it" a little too early.

[Marr]

Was anyone else reminded of Vietnam rhetoric while watching David Frum offering his evaluation of Iraq?

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/03/24/whats-the-answer-in-iraq-david/

For years, I've heard similarly pampered idiots talk about how we 'could've won in Vietnam' if we'd only been willing to sacrifice a few thousand more soldiers. He's already setting that up- but it's just laughable. GW Bush has still received *EVERYTHING* he's asked for up to this point, and it's only gotten worse from the outset.

Why are people like Frum still offered a public forum, while people who were against this lunacy from the outset, and described exactly what would happen, are still largely excluded?

[Fresh_Start]

1. They had four years to win but they were too incompetent

to do so. Remind them US won WWII is less time.

Iraq had no army, no modern weapons, no leadership to speak of.
So US in Iraq couldn't win against its own incompetence

[youngdem]

2. I hope no one is surprised by this

These are after all the ACTUAL SAME people who made the same claims after they blew it in Vietnam, and some of these crooks have admitted that Bushco's new wars are an attempt to get it right this time.

In fact, in Woodward's latest book, Rumsfeld is told exactly that, to 'get it right this time'.

You know what? Blame ME for the withdrawal. I can live with saving the life of thousands while 'costing' America a 'victory' in a meaningless act of aggression. Democrats are bigger cowards than I thought if we give two shits about this argument. They should just call the attempt at guilt trips a 'repeat of Vietnam' and just say it over and over again.

[KingofNewOrleans]

3. If only a few thousand more chickenhawks,neocons, and freepers

had just enlisted in the army, we would have won by now.

[HappyWeasel]

17. lol

[terisan]

4. The neo-cons & republicans didn't enlist in sufficient numbers to win their war

nor could they stomach paying for their war. Nor were they willing to stop the war industry corruption that left troops ill-equiped. How did they expect to win a war they weren't willing to fight or to pay for, or provide proper oversight for? Talk about a lack of will.

[Fresh_Start]

8. Yes, thats the point to make....

They didn't enlist and they didn't support the war effort by paying enough to have a well-trained and well-equipt army.

They lost the war without any assistance from anyone else.

[Marr]

13. Well said. I'm going to remember that.

[MN ChimpH8R]

5. Idiocy

No outside power has ever been able to win a war against indigenous guerrillas. Ever.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

12. I've been thinking about this.. I think the US Civil War is a contrary example, but kind

of a unique situation. I think Rome occupied some areas for a long time. There may be other examples, but in general you are right, even with a greatly superior power (economy/technology) doing the occupying.

[MN ChimpH8R]

14. The Civil War was army against army

in set-piece battles like Gettysburg, a pretty traditional style of symmetrical warfare. I don't think the Confederates could be considered guerrillas.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

15. No but it did represent an occupation of a hostile South by the North, and there were

guerilla elements like Mosby's raiders, you might even classify Nathan Bedford Forrest that way. And the occupation was ultimately successful in that the will of the occupied was crushed.

[mod mom]

6. It's only the 29% who would believe it and F*%! them.

[dkofos]

7. Sorry, but they would need to know what the fuck was going on

to know they didn't screw it up.

Just another case of the blind leading the blind, being pushed by the insane.

[rug]

9. The same line was offered by the NSDAP in 1919.

[DefenseLawyer]

10. Come on, Frum's view of Vietnam was proven right...

in the movie "Rambo" and the movie "Uncommon Valor" and numerous Chuck Norris movies whose titles escape me at the moment. Like Frum I was too young for Vietnam, but I did see John Wayne's "The Green Berets". The Duke was kicking ass! Geez, I don't know where you people learned your history.

[gatorboy]

16. Heh! John Wayne.

The all Amercian tough guy that didn't find the time to join himself. :P

[DefenseLawyer]

19. Isn't that a shock?

I almost see a pattern here.

[cassiepriam]

11. We knew they would blame everyone else for their messes.

This is only the beginning of the blame game for them.

[annabanana]

18. We wouldn't be strapped down to their . . . "Triumph of the Will". . bullcrap

"If only they'd believed"

Sweet Jesus what a bunch of miserable bloodthirsty miscreants.