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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 06:39 PM
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Solution to the US/Canadian Trade Deficit (protect American workers now!)
Edited on Fri Feb-06-09 06:42 PM by Oregone
It is entirely clear, especially by listening to Barack Obama’s recent comments, that the United States is in the middle of a complete economic catastrophe. And undoubtedly, while in a catastrophe, the United States has run out of options for accommodating the “Cheap Labor Cons” who continue to push the manufacturing sector of America to the brink of disaster.



Our race to the bottom has created an immense trade deficit, while it has decimated the American working class. And in return, what have we gotten for our “free trade” and globalization? Dangerous and unsafe toys, food, and tools flooding our markets, and putting the American worker out of jobs. While these exporting nations are full of their own workers simply seeking employment, they are ‘crapping on our standard of living’ as a notable economist put it.

But it is time to stop this mess and protect American Jobs. Now, the “Buy American” clause, while it doesn’t actually create any long term jobs, and while it has been watered down to the point of uselessness (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article5655115.ece), is the first step in the “protectionism” needed. With enough equivalent, water-downed procurement clauses, the working man shopping at Wal-Mart needn’t worry about NAFTA or the WTO; all he needs to worry about is the stimulus funds funding his paycheck running out and Lou Dobbs losing his CNN show.



But alas, it is one country at a time to deal with, so today I pick the finest example of a “free trade” offender: Canada. Their lead and arsenic tainted petroleum exports and melamine laced lumber products have been decimating the American economy for decades. We can only pray nightly that their attempts to export their Health Care and affinity for the French language fail in vain. Their ‘success’ as a nation has been solely attributed to their role as a leech upon our country, rather than some product of a successful liberal government led by a commie leader like Chretien the Impaler.



Being at a lowly 4th on the UN HDI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index#2007.2F2008_report) and skimping by paying their some of their slave shop workers more as a trick (http://business.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081130.wcanauto1130/BNStory/Business), it becomes very evident why Canada is winning this trade situation and taking advantage of the American worker: they are taking advantage of their own people, who are nothing more than indentured servants to this international trade system. Is this what the “Cheap Labor Cons” call a level playing field? It is, without any doubt, they who are the enemy of the American working man (and woman for those so inclined).

TOTAL $244,512.1 (exports) $315,859.5 (imports) $-71,347.3 (balance) (in millions)

http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c1220.html#questions

According to the US Census, Canada drains $71 billion dollars from our economy in 2008, of both private and government, tax-payer funds (which is $6 billion a month, compared to China at $20 billion). That’s $71 billion dollars of wealth that is leaching out of our economy annually, and it is a deficit created by us allowing the “free market” to determine that their products should be sold, without tariff, against competing American products. The conclusion? The American product, built by well-paid, high-standard of labor, environmentally safe practices, always loses; and subsequently, the workers lose their jobs.

THE SOLUTION TO THE $71 BILLION DOLLAR PROBLEM

America can, through a simple stroke, solve this problem by simply “Buying American” on 1 simple type of product: energy. Canada is the number #1 petroleum supplier to America, exporting 2.5 million barrels of oil a day (http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html). And while we send our money out to this international oil, which we know only funds terrorism (much like BC Bud does), we are allowing Canada to take advantage of our workers and run up a large trade deficit against us.


http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/080814/dq080814a-eng.htm

Energy exports nearly doubled from $49 billion in 2002 to $92 billion in 2007 and in the first five months of 2008 are running at an annual rate of $125 billion.

Crude oil dominates Canada's exports of energy products, contributing almost half so far this year.


Canada is exporting $125 CAN billion dollars in energy, 90% of which is going to the United States ($90 billion US). Although it is comprised of natural gas and electricity too, the overwhelming majority of their exports are petroleum based. In 2004 alone, petroleum accounted for over $50 billion dollars of exports to the United States, which has grown drastically since.

So in one fell swoop, a “Buy American”, or “Don’t Buy Canadian”, provision on energy or petroleum would single-handily wipe out the trade deficit between Canada and the US (and even reverse it to a surplus of $20 billion). In a single motion, the United States can ensure they are exporting more finished goods to Canada than they are buying, despite any trade agreements (and who cares if we break any in doing so, as this is a catastrophe). This will protect and put the American workers and instantly put them back to work.

For too long, we’ve laughed with the Canadians, thinking they are cute and make good comedians. For too long, we let them into our household to eat at our tables. Now is the time. We are the people we have been waiting for. And Canada is the enemy that has been hiding in the shadows, killing our jobs and way of life. No longer can we tolerate this $71 billion dollar drain, and now is the time to drain them and protect OUR American workers.

With the proper investments in green energy, by 2020 we may be able to compensate for the $90+ billion dollars in energy we will stop importing (and any increase demand due to growth). In the meantime, hell, there is always offshore drilling and ANWR. But that’s the price to pay to ensure the American worker is protected, and to ensure we can rape their markets as they have raped ours for years.

* This may also just be a step in the proper direction, depending on the price of oil. If oil drops too much, we can also ban lumber imports and trim some of the dying ANWR trees while we are at it.
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 06:42 PM
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1. Hmm......seems to start about the time NAFTA kicked in.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 06:47 PM
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2. And getting rid of NAFTA and tariffing their petroleum imports...
will reset our trade balance and protect us from the cheap labor Canadians. It will also create an immense number of offshore/Alaskan drilling jobs.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 06:51 PM
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3. So are we going to go to war with Canada?
One of the reasons they have taken many of our jobs is because they have national health care and we don't. I for one thank them for their lumber products so that our forests get a chance to grow without being clear cut away. Oh and most of our oil is from Canada. I suppose cutting them off will mean that we get cheaper stuff from somewhere else? There are trees in ANWR? That's news to me considering it's way up there beyond where a lot of trees grow. Lumbering ANWR I guess makes as much sense as drilling there for the teacup of oil that could be gotten. Surely you are joking with this post.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 06:57 PM
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4. Maybe I jest a bit.
A lot of people around here think that, due to the trade deficit with Canada, they are among the cheap labor cons killing the US's manufacturing sector.

If it wasn't for our insatiable demand for energy, we would be exporting more goods than importing. And since we are currently unwilling or incapable of producing this energy, then it is therefore a positive trade relationship. If we become willing and capable, it would not make sense to continue this deficit. But in the meantime, aside from energy (which is our own fault), we have the trade advantage.

And that doesn't even figure in lumber. Yes, we can make our own, but NIMBY and regulations suggests we buy it else where. Is there no price for that?

Canada is not the enemy as many think. Our trade relationship with them is nothing but positive. And no, I don't support free trade, or free trade with them, and any of that nonsense. I'm simply pointing out that maybe we shouldn't have a single universal response of "protectionism" to all countries, because some are very unique.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:04 PM
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5. Since we don't have any manufacturing that counts any more, passing
single payer universal health care as set out in HR 676 would bring a lot of the manufacturing we lost to Canada back to the USA. However, the big manufacturing losses to Asia and South America could never be recouped, I don't think. Health care reform would also bring back a lot of the entertainment business that has migrated from Hollywood and New York to Canada for the same reason. However, all these social solutions don't appeal to business types even though it would make them richer in the long run.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:09 PM
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6. And what I'm saying...
Edited on Fri Feb-06-09 07:11 PM by Oregone
Is that I'm skeptical of how much, if any, manufacturing jobs were "lost" to Canada (their unions don't screw around and demand high wages). If we are running a virtual trade surplus to Canada (ignoring energy imports), it makes me really question if they have been a drain whatsoever. It really doesn't cost any less to make products in Canada than the USA.

This all came to me today when I was at the Coffee shop...looking at my cup, made in Ill. Looked at the holder, made in Portland. Everything here seems to have a made in the US label on it. So I randomly thought, if there is a deficit, maybe its not from manufactured products. Sure enough, its from energy.

But yes, HR 676 would help a bit, but not as far as competing with the third world. The only thing that will help is 1) Tariffs and 2) Penalizing companies that set up oversea operations. Universal health care isn't going to make it cheaper for Detroit to make cars than Mexico.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:41 PM
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7. No but HR. 676 should make it competitive to make American made cars
in Detroit instead of Canada or Mexico and still be able to sell them at the same price.

I guess if you can wear cups and holders, we could buy American, but look at where your clothes and other household items are made and I think you will find that unless you buy a quilt in Amish country, most of it is not American made although carrying American labels. I'm not just talking about box store goods either, I combed through a high end department store recently and was hard pressed to find anything American made. Now this is the stuff we fill our closets and houses with. I think I did find more American manufactured stuff at the hardware and garden store, but even there the imports took over. So this tells me that American companies can do well on Wall Street if they meet demand, but they aren't doing anything for the payrolls for the American worker so he can go buy the goods made by the American company. That is the trade deficit, where it's made, not whose buying it or who can buy it. Henry Ford said he didn't want to make a car his worker's couldn't afford, so he paid them enough so they could. I think our companies have forgotton that chicken and egg thing.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:56 PM
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8. Its more expensive to make Cars in Canada already BTW
They have stronger unions that demand more pay for the workers (and Health Care does help the Big 3 to comply, but they go beyond)

Auto wages to cost $27 an hour more in Canada versus U.S.

"But some industry analysts say they've crunched the numbers and there's no denying it costs the North American auto makers substantially more to set up shop in Canada and that in turn hurts the competitiveness of the Canadian industry and could lead to massive layoffs as General Motors, Ford and Chrysler seek to streamline their operations."

http://business.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081130.wcanauto1130/BNStory/Business/home?cid=al_gam_mostview



No matter what happens, US will not ever be able to compete with Mexico (health care of not) in terms of manufacturing. The two countries are on drastically different playing fields, and that is a prime example of why tariffs are needed. As far as Canada-made autos, I wouldn't imagine it would be too economical for them to start flooding our markets (Canada barely runs a surplus on Auto trades as is, and its mostly from oversea activity). They are not the enemy of the US Auto worker.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:59 PM
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9. Well I'm all for tariffs. It's one of the ways we will bring
manufacturing back to our shores. When the sneaker from China costs the same as the one made here, who needs the Chinese one unless maybe it comes with a cool dragon logo. Maybe by then their manufacturers will figure out that slave labor doesn't make demand. Paying their workers enough to buy their products does create demand.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 11:07 PM
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14. I agree
The best of both worlds is being able to tariff, and still have some sort of agreement, if only to ensure they can improve their environmental record and labor practices (currently, we do neither). The only problem is that doing both may be mutual exclusive, or may require trade offs (minimum tariff levels set and certain labor conditions set).

We are in a tough spot because on one hand, there is an economic catastrophe. On the other, there is an environmental one. We stand now between a rock and a hard place, and its going to be tough to address both (if we ever get serious about addressing either).
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B o d i Donating Member (543 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:06 PM
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10. As I was reading the OP I kept asking myself "Is this simply a bad joke?"
so thanks for confirming you weren't serious, for those who may be humor impaired.

I won't be very surprised if someone posting after me takes your OP at face value though and agrees...
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:45 PM
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12. So you thought it was really that bad, huh?
Edited on Fri Feb-06-09 08:55 PM by Oregone
Responding to the "bad joke" line. :)

Yeah, I was just sort of piecing together a bunch of bullshit lines and themes running through a variety of "Two minutes of hate against Canada" threads. I figured this would clue most people in: "Their lead and arsenic tainted petroleum exports and melamine laced lumber products have been decimating the American economy for decades."

But yes, the point I was making was quite serious. There is a price to pay for the US to outsource energy production, and this alone doesn't determine that our trade is disadvantageous (quite the opposite). A trade deficit doesn't mean the trade system with the country is wrong (especially if we are getting what we are unable or unwilling to make here). What is wrong is not offsetting it against another country that is supplying goods we don't need (unlike energy).

Even if we slashed all energy trade with Canada to produce a trade surplus, it wouldn't create good jobs. It would have a drastic effect on the environment. Enough "Green Jobs" are decades away. This deficit is the price we pay for our NIMBY petroleum stance. Aside from energy, its quite an advantageous relation that isn't strangling the American manufacturing sector at all. Anything else is fiction.
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Prometheus Bound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:15 PM
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11. Very nicely done.
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 09:16 PM
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13. It's About Time
Someone woke up.

Just put a tax on that dirty oil. Same with the lumber. And just think of all that water going to waste for electricity. It should be taxed.

Heck if one put their mind to it, well who knows what?

The first thing to go might be NAFTA. And Canada would still be obliged to keep the pharma companies and the auto business like it is now.

There are so many more ways that could be done. Just keep on trying.
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