Holy Effin' Shit.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

[Vanje]

1. Is that what you call

a free fall?

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

5. That's what I call a charlie foxtrot. nt

[NoPasaran]

22. Headed toward a tango uniform

[davsand]

37. Ok, I give up, WHAT is a Tango Uniform?

I understand the Charlie Foxtrot-both the origin and the term. Always thought it was pretty descriptive and actually use "Charlie Foxtrot" in occasions of extreme vexation.

WHAT is a Tango Uniform? Can you share both the origin and the actual term for me? Please?

I just love to expand my vocabulary!


:evilgrin:


Laura

[Morning Dew]

45. you could say "toes up" in mixed company - but think breasts instead.

google is our friend.




edit cuz it could have been interpreted as "snotty" .

[Baikonour]

52. You're right.

It means "tits up."

[lonestarnot]

62. Tango Delta.

[Piewhacket]

73. Total Deviation? Toxic Dose?

Navigator to Maj Kong (Slim Pickens, Strangelove...):
"However, we could have enough fuel to ditch at weather ship Tango Delta"

Somehow I don't think that Tango Delta was a soft landing.
You recall, Maj Kong chose instead to ride the nuclear warhead to its target.

"Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee HOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"

[earth mom]

36. More like a race to the bottom.

:yoiks:

[fortyfeetunder]

42. More like nosedive

The only other time in my lifetime I've seen bad unemployment was 1982-3 recession.

[fascisthunter]

2. Thank You Milton Friedman

and especially Bush and his RepubliK Party

[musette_sf]

25. someone go to his grave

and put a stake in his heart

i want to be sure he's dead

[tularetom]

63. Let's dig him up and cut him into little pieces

And then let's try his buddy Greenspan for treason and stand him up against a wall.

[nichomachus]

64. Oh -- I was going to say

Go to his grave and piss on it -- show him how the "trickle down" theory really works.

[SpiralHawk]

3. The Republicon Recession, caused by

Republiconomics of greed, corruption, and short sightedness.

Thanks a pantload, republicon homelanders

[Howzit]

55. Its them

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5004181&mesg_id=5004181

[liberalmuse]

4. Feel like you've been completely fucked and not in a good way?

Thank a goddamn piece of shit Republic. I hate them more than life itself.

[Howzit]

56. not us

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5004181&mesg_id=5004181

[bdamomma]

6. we all need to pay them a visit in DC and I mean it!!!!!

[stillcool]

16. I so wish...

I swear I am so steamed up I could walk all the way to D.C....but I don't think I'd make it to the end of the block without breaking my ass on the ice.

[dysfunctional press]

41. 4-5 million strong would certainly send a message.

when?
(i've always wanted to see the cherry blossoms)

[ColbertWatcher]

7. Where did you get that graph!? n/t

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

8. Pelosi's office just released it today, someone posted it on another board.

[ColbertWatcher]

10. Thank you! n/t

[JuniperLea]

9. Looks more like depression to me... eom

[ThomCat]

11. Republicans are going to constantly call this Obama's Recession

so we're going to all have constantly hammer it home that this is Bush's mess. 8 years of that walking disaster caused this. It's his fault, so he damned well better take the blame for it. I'm not letting them play name games to pin this on Obama.

[Withywindle]

49. Fuck yeah, you're right.

This is BUSH LEAGUE ECONOMICS.


The last time I was on food stamps? Back in 92 when I just graduated from college and couldn't find a job for the life of me paying over $5 an hour and giving full time hours. back then you could work nearly fulltime and qualify. Lord knows we needed it.

Who was Pres then? BUSH I, that's who! Coming off 12 years of disastrous let-them-eat-cake economic policies.

I never would have dreamed then that that POS's son would fuck us even worse, but there is no doubt it's his fault.

Remember this mantra: Clinton budget surplus.

[lostnfound]

68. I thought W would be worse than his dad, but not cataclysmic.

It would have been impossible to have imagined ALL the ways that W inc. has screwed our country up.

[crikkett]

51. well there's nothing wrong with coopting the term-- esp if O. gets us out of it.

Politics is a war of words.

[B Calm]

65. They have always been the ones who fuck up the economy, then

when people had enough they vote in democrats to clean up their mess. Then the cons sit back on their big fat pimply hemorrhoid asses and point their shit stained fingers at the democrats for having the balls to do what's necessary to keep this country going. It's what cons have always done.

[Lorien]

67. Yep. And when a Dem is in office and brings us recovery

they squeal "it took 12 years for Reaganomics to finally take effect"! And since things were bad during Reagan and Bush the first's terms, they whine "well, that was all due to Carter"! The bad times of BushCo? "Oh, well it's all that Clinton's fault"! This current mess primarily belongs to both Bushes and Reagan, plus Newt Gingrich and his "contract on America". The party of "personal responsibility" needs to take some. Never let them forget!

[B Calm]

70. The REPUBLICANS screw up the system, then don't do anything to fix it.

Republican are war mongers as well. They make or twist laws as situations change. They have always taken bribes from special interest groups. They don't know how to live within the rules of the game....they just change the rules to suit their own desires as the situation dictates! REPUBLICANS will have sex with animals and they jack off all the time with no lubrication while looking at MAD magazines! Sick SOBs!
If not for the REPUBLICANS, we would have clean air, the solar ice caps would not be melting, we would not be at war, would have no income tax at all, and probably would all retire as millionaires! Unfortunately, the only way these hard headed animal screwing MFer's to get the message, is to drop dead and DIE!!!! Then, God will enlighten them and only then will they see all the screwed up shit they have caused in this country.....to include War, Pestilence, Greed, Obesity, the Flu, and Walmarts.

[Deja Q]

75. Neither will I.

Quite honestly, few would dare to because it's an obtuse thing to do.

(Though if it helps, it's why republicants keep saying "the economy is structurally sound". They want to push the blame when it becomes convenient for them to do so.)

[11 Bravo]

12. No Bell Curve, that's the Bush Curve.

[ColbertWatcher]

23. That's beautiful!

I started a page for you at the Truthiness Encyclopedia and change the name a bit: http://www.wikiality.com/Friedman_Curve

You're welcome to add or change whatever you want on it.

[Generic Brad]

34. That's not a curve!

That's a dive!!

[dixiegrrrrl]

13. What is amazing that all the jobs lost to oursourcing in the last recession

never came back.
So what kind of jobs are being lost now?

[Muttocracy]

20. good point. not much room to move down in underemployment! nt

[Doremus]

30. IIRC, retail jobs lead the way.

Half a mill, outpacing manufacturing jobs even.

[backscatter712]

14. Thank Horse and Sparrow Economics.

Some would call it trickle-down or supply-side or Bushonomics. But I like this name better.

"If you feed enough oats to the horse, some of those oats come out of the other end of the horse and feed the sparrows."

Yeah. Give all the money to the Republican's billionaire country-club buddies, and leave the rest of us to eat shit.

No wonder the economy's in a tailspin.

[TahitiNut]

32. Thank Tom Harken for that description of "supply side" economics.

It's exactly right. "Feeding the birds by giving more oats to the horse."

[Mithreal]

59. Thom Hartmann talked about that, awesome alternative

need to propagate that idea until everyone knows it by heart.

[malaise]

15. And that ladies and gentlemen is the definitive

statement on neoliberal economics. Adios Friedman, Reagan and Thatcher. Amazing that they both ended up with Alzheimers since they clearly forgot Herbert Hoover.

[stillcool]

17. Tax-cuts, tax-cuts, we need tax-cuts!!

[Usrename]

18. Looks like they really broke it this time.

We should never let them play with our stuff ever again.

[radfringe]

19. it averages out to

333 jobs lost per HOUR

[Abq_Sarah]

47. There are going to be a hell of a lot more

Unless they provide some tangible assistance to small business owners. So far, there is nothing published in this bill that's going to help me or the other business owners in my town. I don't want to lay anyone off but I can't continue like this.

[Mithreal]

60. This is a damn good point. We need this idea raised up in our

consciousness, especially here at DU.

[northernlights]

21. what the graph doesn't show...

I was laid off in 7/93. For 18 months I was able to earn almost as much freelancing as a full time employee, so my savings didn't take a huge hit. And in 11/94 I was contracted back for nearly *double* my old salary.

I was laid off in 2/02. In 2 years I got a total of 3 responses to hundreds of resumes sent out. 1 phone interview. In 2003, I moved to a lower cost of living area. I would have gone straight back to work, but my new home was trashed by a contractor and I was under constant assault by my neighbors. It took me 2 years to get the damage repaired and the home secured.

In 2005 I was hired -- for about 20% of my peak 1999 salary. Yes -- 80% cut in income. For 18 months my health and home were attacked by my family-owned, small company employer. The kind of employer the rethugs worship.

In 2007, I left after my employer trespassed and assaulted my animals. I've been unemployed since, and my life savings/retirement fund are gone.

I'm sure my story is just one of many. We were dumped in 2001/2002 and never got a toe-hold again. Employment numbers *never* reached what they needed to in order to account for new graduates as well as displaced people.

We don't even exist in those damn graphs.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

24. THIS is what the GOPers are pissing and moaning over:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/06/job-loss-chart-what-36-mi_n_164828.html

[upi402]

26. The "Obama Recession" unless he torches the media quick

The media WILL BE THE DEMISE OF OBAMA

The honeymoon is about over

[Earth Bound Misfit]

48. ....

[Name removed]

27. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

28. Nobody's stopping you from posting a thread.

[The Doctor.]

38. The question was "which is red and which is blue?"

I missed the key, and for some reason, my post was deleted.

Exactly what was read into that question?

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

39. Blue = 1990, Red = 2001

[The Doctor.]

43. Hehehe.

Thanks!

[SammyWinstonJack]

29. !

:wow: Some legacy you got there, george, eh? :banghead:

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

31. Le Kicque

[ChromeFoundry]

33. WOW.... n/t

[Waiting For Everyman]

35. Other recessions weren't foreclosure-fueled.

But the Depression was.

[Kablooie]

40. How does that compare with 1929?

[tavalon]

44. Is there some whay to compare it to previous depressions

not just the Great Depression but the ones before and I think there might have been one small one after, but I'm probably just hopped up on pain meds.

[Stand and Fight]

46. Goooooood night! How can they continue to call this a recession?

It's a full-blown case of FUBAR.

[TWiley]

50. REPUBLICAN BASTARDS !

Please bitch-slap the nearest republican for me.

[harun]

53. For Repukes as long as a few super-rich get more rich it is a good economy.

[Howzit]

57. Hate is a beautiful thing

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5004181&mesg_id=5004181

[shireen]

54. larger image of graph posted in another thread,

The image was large, and i didn't want to clog up the internets tubes for people with dial-up access. So i posted it here, with a warning in the title about the large image.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5005204

[Piewhacket]

58. Good ol Fuckonomics. (Criminal Enterprise)

[MrPerson]

61. It needs a bra.

[Mithreal]

66. Does the graph have any predictive quality

especially with concern to how long it will take to recover?

[Common Sense Party]

71. No.

[Mithreal]

74. Ok and thank you, but do you not care to elaborate? nt

[Common Sense Party]

76. Charts mean nothing. Past performance does not indicate future results.

Things could rebound quickly, they could stay at a low plateau, or they can keep plunging for a very long time. The chart predicts nothing.

[Mithreal]

77. You sound like you are selling stocks with that choice of phrase.

Ok, so what you are saying is that recent history doesn't always repeat itself, right?

I would argue that conditions for average American families are far worse than the two other recessions in this graph so I am inclined to think that recovery is going to be much more difficult.

Has there been another recession in this country that had a fast recovery for comparison?

Thank you for the suggestion that this chart not be used for making predictions. You must be right in that it is insufficient, not all recessions are included and even if they were I suppose your statement would still be valid.

There has to be some relationship between the number of lost jobs and time required for recovery. I realize economics is not pure science but there must be more data available.

[Piewhacket]

72. Yes. It predicts we have run off the chart, over the cliff, us TOAST!

[Quixote1818]

69. Here is a link. Make sure to comment at the bottom

http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/02/06/how-bad-is-it/#comments