Octuplets Mom Collected $168,000 in Disability Payments

[Liberal_in_LA]

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20257478,00.html?xid=rss-topheadlines

Octuplets Mom Collected $168,000 in Disability Payments

Octuplets mom Nadya Suleman had more to worry about than the demands of her ever-growing family: records reveals she was injured in a 1999 riot at a psychiatric hospital and got disability benefits from the state of California totaling nearly $168,000.

Suleman, 33 – who said in her first TV interview that she had always dreamed of having "a huge family" – received the payments as part of a workers' compensation settlement stemming from injuries she suffered during the disturbance, which left her with chronic back pain.

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A Second Claim
In 2001, while Suleman was leaving a doctor's office for treatment of the injury, her car was rear-ended, according to the records.

Suleman hurt her neck, back and shoulders, and filed an additional claim for workers' compensation, arguing the accident would not have occurred had she not been going for medical treatment for the earlier injury. It was unclear if she received funds for that claim.

[flvegan]

1. Here we go!

:popcorn:

[Hekate]

61. I brought extra butter

:popcorn:

[SoCalDem]

2. she's a con artist.. n/t

[Hydra]

3. Never pull a stunt like this for fame

Everyone has skeletons in their closet, and the media ALWAYS finds them.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

5. Did you see the "Today" interview?

I was startled because she - this sounds awful, I know, but it really hit me - looks like something's really off within.

Her lips have been done, and not well. She looks to be cultivating an Angelina Jolie look.

She talked about "holding her babies for forty-minutes each every day." I wondered who's holding her six kids at home, and how does she think she'll ever manage with fourteen kids under the age of eight.

You can see the interview here: http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/29038814/

[Poll_Blind]

9. I noticed that too, Tangerine. She had that cat-lady look that I associate with....

...having some serious collagen injections or whatever. Also, she had some weird lines on her face, like she'd exfoliated to the point of mask-ness.

PB

[SoCalDem]

16. Let's see...

She has no job
she has14 kids (aged 7 & under)

lives with parents who went bankrupt a few years ago

and she has had a nose job and there's the fish-lips thing..

There's something seriously wrong with this person..

she apparently has access to money for the surgery & fertility treatments...

she's a parasitic con-artist..and every thing's about HER desire to have kids....nothing much about supporting them or how she's destroying her parents' lives

[Tangerine LaBamba]

19. I found this especially interesting

Her parents were divorced ten years ago - TEN YEARS AGO! - but continued to live together because they couldn't afford not to.

You're absolute right - I agree - that it's all about HER needs.

I remember going to visit a friend who'd just had her first baby, a perfect little girl. Her mother was there and they brought the baby to my friend right after I got there.

She was holding her, just glowing, and she said, "Oh, I hope she loves me."

That just about knocked me over. Not "I love her so much." But "I hope SHE love ME."

I was just regaining my balance when my friend's mother said to her, "Of course she'll love you. She has to."

I never forgot that, and how rough life has been for that little girl, who is now in her mid-twenties. I thought of that event today when I watched that interview. Chilling.

Those kids are doomed.

[Poll_Blind]

45. Re:"Oh, I hope she loves me."

I know all too well the mental landscape that that comment reveals. And it ain't good.

PB

[seabeyond]

23. no... everything is about her. her desire to have kids is to once again bring it to her

she uses this as a means for more attention.

have you heard the young girls today getting preg saying.... i just want someone to love me. well you know, babies dont love you, YOU love them endlessly. they grow into it, but it is the parent that gives.

and the " i hold each baby forty minutes" bullshit. bully for her. one at a time, you hold them a hell of a lot longer than a mere forty minutes.

this woman is a mess of narcissism

[Liberal_in_LA]

40. definitely nose job, collagen injections in cheeks and lips.

[Hydra]

13. I'm not interested, really

I just take note of the fact that she was a hero one day, then the second we heard about her 6 other kids, and now we'll hear more.

A high price to pay for fame.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

22. That's the nature of fame

Witness Michael Phelps, who wasn't actually photographing smoking dope. Just holding what looks like an empty bong - it could have been beer - up to his mouth.

Suspension, Kellogg's pulls its endorsement, who know what else?

Doesn't take much for heroes to become villains in today's world.

[Liberal_in_LA]

39. She seems more young than mentally ill. She speaks like a teenager.

[otohara]

62. Check Out These Pics

She even tries to speak like Jolie IMO. Especially when talking about children.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

67. She looks like a young Tom Hulce,

the guy in "Animal House." And there's a look in her eyes that says "I am not right."

Troubling.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

4. Those payments were paid out over

a period of about ten years, as I recall reading this morning.

All in all, that's not a lot of money.

[Believing Is Art]

8. No, the real victims here are her parents and her children n/t

[Tangerine LaBamba]

15. Wait. What?

What victims? I was just commenting on her worker's comp disability payments.

[morningglory]

21. Can you imagine growing up and never getting to go to the park and swing

on the swings and slide and run around. You can't even get 14 kids in a big van. The 7yr-old won't ever be able to watch the little ones for a sec while she takes a shower. Brood's too overwhelming for any 3 people to take care of. Very sad to me.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

25. And those predictions - which I agree with -

have what to do with my comment about her workers' comp disability payments?

[Believing Is Art]

35. I was just agreeing with you

The amount she got for worker's comp wasn't unreasonable, so it's not really fair that people use that to call her a con artist. As I said, her family are her victims.

[Kahuna]

43. She'll be a victim too when she has to seriously contend with 8 infants. nt

[hendo]

17. its $168k that could have been better used

cons like this are why insurance premiums are so high.

[Tangerine LaBamba]

26. That IP thing

is the creepiest, most wonderful thing I've seen EVER!

Now, I'm really scared.

How did you do that?

[hendo]

37. check your PMs :) NT

[alexandria]

6. She's a single mother should we not look after? Nt/

[frogcycle]

10. no, she's a multiple mother

[NYC_SKP]

14. She's a multiple psycho who cares not for the consequences of her choices.

Whackjob, textbook psycho.

[alexandria]

31. Oh i am sorry i thought we looked after everyone who abuses the system

Section 8 anyone?

[frogcycle]

47. lighten up

The entire litter should be put in a sack with some rocks and thrown off a bridge, and she should be sterilized.

but your snide remarks about "we" looking after "everyone who abuses the system" belong where the sun don't shine, so stuff them there.

[Horse with no Name]

60. You have a problem with "entitlements"

Do tell.
:popcorn:

[seabeyond]

27. personally, i say.... cps watch and take. i am prokids... screw this woman

she isnt going to be able to a little give what those children need to have an even half way healthy life.

[krabigirl]

57. lol - cps? Put them in one messed-up foster home after another?

[mitchum]

36. No, she's a goddamn psychotic broodmare and a parasite

[tnlefty]

7. My problen is much more with the physician who transferred

multiple fertilized eggs into this woman. I read this earlier, and my anger is still with the physician who didn't do proper screening or fact finding...or having a chart on her?

[notadmblnd]

18. I'm with you on that. I think the Dr should be made to pay child support.

[tnlefty]

50. I don't know about that, but I do feel that the doc's (quack's)

license should be under review and revoked. This may be TMI, but I was an infertility patient 20+ yrs. ago. Besides the referral from my GYN when I had interviewed the 3 recommended and chose the doc I wanted to see, I signed the papers to have my records transferred, with an approx. 2 month waiting period so that the infertility specialist could review my records. The initial appt. was over 2 hrs. long, and my spouse had to be there, and it was a screening process for both of us.

No way in hell would the specialist that we dealt with would've done this - 3 was the max.

[OhioBlue]

32. I agree.

From what little I have read, it seem as tho the Doc should have read her history and counseled her against the procedure entirely. At the very least, he should not have allowed so many implantations.

The Doc office must have seen it as a business and money decision. sad.

[marshall]

69. What are the exact laws in the state for IV?

I know they're not allowed to refuse treatment to lexbians. I assume there are other guidelines that must be followed, and that the doctors can't just construct their own restrictions.

[Vincardog]

38. That same Doctor already helped her have the SIX children previously.

[Wickerman]

11. Dog pile!

Don't see any there, there. She has a prior claim that amounts to $16,800 per year as paid out. I'm not a doctor, and unlike Bill Frist I'm not going to diagnosis the severity nor validity of her claims without an examination. YMMV.

[seabeyond]

28. the woman carried EIGHT fetuses. back injury? n/t

[Wickerman]

33. I have no idea, I'm not a Dr, nor do I play one on TV or the intranets

Perhaps she is better, perhaps none of us have a fucking clue and we are only piling on because we find an aspect of her life reprehensible.

[Kahuna]

44. Apparently, she was conceiving by IVF and carrying babies WHILE

she was collecting payments.

[madeline_con]

41. Exactly.

[Pharlo]

48. My thoughts exactly

Chronic back pain? Why would any woman with six kids and chronic back pain have more?

[NYC_SKP]

12. That woman is unfit, take the kids away and give them to sane parents.

And, lest anyone want to hit me with the old, "are you a licensed..." challenge, let me just say that I already answered to that old comeback.

My credentials are itemized here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4994764

Have a good weekend, DU! :party:

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[hendo]

20. my thoughts exactly

she is an unfit mother, and her kids would be better off with someone, anyone, else.

[frogcycle]

24. Hell, I say put 'em in a sack with some rocks and throw them off a bridge.

Works with litters of kittens.

[NYC_SKP]

29. The kids, we do them a favor by giving them to better parents.

The "right" to bear and keep children has to be conditional.

If she's not fit, do the children a favor by taking them away.

Then treat her anyway that professionals see fit.

[ConcernedCanuk]

30. . . . .

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:popcorn:

:popcorn:

:hide:

[mitchum]

34. She will kill those kids...and then herself

count on it

[Lady Effingbroke]

56. I think this isn't turning out quite as she thought.

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if she doesn't go all Andrea Yates on the poor kids.

They were doomed way before sperm met egg.

[Kahuna]

42. Chronic back pain??? Oh yeah. Multiple pregnacies is good for that.

:sarcasm:

[LisaL]

52. How is she going to pick those babies up, with her horrible back

pain?

[MasonJar]

46. Her parents must be amazing people because they are willing to let

stay with 14 kids. That is going to be a madhouse of constant dilemma. It is difficult to care for one baby who will become a toddler, walking, tumbling, bumping his head. 8 + 6 = pandemonium. My heart goes out to her parents and her children. She truly needs a trip to the doctor, the shrink kind.

[Hepburn]

49. That is $16, 800 per year.

She was injured TEN years ago.

[BlooInBloo]

51. And also verifies that she's crazy.

[Cerridwen]

53. Actually, it confirms she's received 168,000 over ten years...

that would be what? $16,800 per year?

Hmm, yeah quite a "killing" she made. What do you live on Bloo?

I don't even have to "stalk" you and so often you end up on the "right-leaning" side of the spectrum.

Why is that, Bloo?

[BlooInBloo]

54. What the hell are you talking about crazyperson?

[Cerridwen]

55. That's it? That's all you've got?

Such a letdown.

[krabigirl]

58. ? Perhaps she actually was injured on the job? The mob mentality against this woman is scary.

[asteroid2003QQ47]

66. The lone voice of reason here, thank you! n/t

[Horse with no Name]

59. I know people who work psych units

and they have very dangerous jobs.
I've also hurt my back at work (of which I received no compensation because I wasn't willing to fight for it).
If she got that much for it, good for her.
I don't have a problem with HER.
I have a problem with the fact that she was the victim of medical malpractice.

[crimsonblue]

63. and I'm supposed to care because why?

the transparent hypocrisy on this story is a bit nauseating.

[sohndrsmith]

64. I'm so confused. I can't say if 168K is a huge amount or not, and from what I understand,

accident damages are usually awarded as a lump sum, I think (not that it matters). And as noted, it seems she had two disability claims. One at works and one while driving to work. I'm not sure.

Either way, I am thoroughly puzzled.

Assuming her claim/s average out to about $16,800 a year from an accident 10 years ago...

All her children are under the age of 10 (under the age of 7, actually, so she started having kids about 8 years ago), she's been going to school, and having undergoing IVF for all her children (which I understand is very expensive), and although I have no proof and not making a judgment on this (though I have a point of view, but that's not relevant) I am fully convinced she's has some significant plastic surgery, also expensive.

I guess my point (or more accurately, my question) is - are people annoyed that she was awarded a bunch of money, or are people annoyed because she wasn't really awarded much money but chose to start having expensive infertility treatments and plastic surgeries when she continued to multiply her dependents....

She's been living with her parents, so one can make the assumption that her parents have paid for a lot, but it still seems incredible to me.

I don't think I've ever heard that she had fertility problems - from what I understand, she simply wanted to have her children this way... no? Maybe I'm wrong. She said this was a gamble, a choice, the transfers have clearly been successful... there are much, much cheaper ways to become pregnant... really, there are! I did it twice and getting pregnant didn't cost a cent, but I had to put up with it's being a cooperative effort. : ) These children have all been fertilized (according to Ms. Suleman) by the same sperm donor... He couldn't donate sperm via a less expensive method? She actually knows who it is?? Is that odd???

She has 2 year old twins, two - which just boggles my mind. So she had this IVF with (apparently) 6 embryos transferred right after she'd had twins about a year earlier. I think her kids' ages are 7, 6, 5, 4 and 2(twins). Something like that. She's been pregnant for the majority of the last ten years.

I'm glad the baby's are at least being fed breast milk...

I've thought about this whole thing a lot, and I think what I have the biggest problem with is her reason (or the reason she's offering, anyway) for having children - even one: to fill a void in her life - or whatever her exact words were - but that's a really troubling reason to have children, or even one child. That - more than the unemployment, the surgery, the expensive fertility treatment... bothers me a lot.

[Blue_Tires]

65. this trainwreck gets worse and worse

next thing you know they will find out she's in the country illegally or sold secrets to the chinese or something...

[hunter]

68. Damn her for not being the CEO of some major corporation!

She could have got millions in a much more respectable fashion -- by crashing a good company face first into the concrete.