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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 07:27 PM
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The stimulus bill will have to go back to the House.
Once it gets out of the Senate, if indeed it does? What should the House do? Take out the taxcuts that were just added and put the spending back in? And send it back to the Senate with no comments. Let the Republicans figure out what they want to do? What do you think the House should do?
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 07:28 PM
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1. its not going to the house as is
there will be a conference committee that negotiates the difference between the two bills.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 07:28 PM
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2. Pass the bill as is.. and then supplement the cut programs in the reg. budget.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 07:30 PM
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4. Next year's regular budget??
You do realize that they are cutting money that will keep people in their jobs this year, right? Next year will be too late, and too late to help the unemployed with health care and food stamps and everything else people are going to need this year.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 08:09 AM
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16. I beleive they put off the budget rounds for this year... I'm assuming there's
still enough money to get the projects going.. supplement them thru in the budget.. its where it belongs anyway. Obama will need a second 800billion spending bill again at the end of this year or beginning of next. Projects that are being dreamed up will have the plans, environmental impact statements, etc.. they'll be the "shovel ready" for the next building America spending bill. Seriously, they cut the trains... We need better functioning rail systems.. High-speed rail... we need to build that all new... if we don't, we will be left behind. We are already decades behind Europe and we are being passed by China. There is not enough spending in this current bill to complete a public infrastructure project like that in this country.. That would need a trillion in its own bill.. then another trillion for an update electric grid. The money in this bill is peanuts. Its just enough to keep the states going for the year and finish up some of the projects that the states have put to the side. This money is spending for our future and for our country to finally move into the next century. Most people in the next 25 to 50yrs will not have to rely on individual cars.. or will have 1 family car. Rural people will still have to use, but I believe the days of sprawl are useless.. waste of time, money, and trasportation.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 07:28 PM
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3. It goes to Conference
and so yes, we should fight hard to get the education and environmental construction spending put back in. Then it has to be passed by 51% in the Senate, which should be easy. Let them have their tax cuts if we get education, environment and the COBRA subsidy if they really did cut that too.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 07:31 PM
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5. Take every tax cut for anyone making over $500K and replace it with money for student grants,
Edited on Sat Feb-07-09 07:33 PM by Vincardog
Food stamps, unemployment extensions, Teacher pay, Green Energy, Mass transit, and programs that put people to work.
While they are at it they need to re-regulate EVERYTHING the Greedy Oil Party deregulated in the last 28 years.
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 08:29 AM
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18. Good ideas.
I hope the President is thinking the same way.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 07:32 PM
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6. Yes they should - question for all govt. experts (which I am not!!)....
Can't Obama do anything at all of what's contained in the stimulus bill via presidential order? Or none of it can be done by order? I mean, I thought the president could take charge in emergency situations, and this is an emergency.
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4 t 4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 07:36 PM
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7. my post on another thread ?
Edited on Sat Feb-07-09 08:28 PM by 4 t 4
To me at this point
I guess it's better than nothing but with all the amendments they have ruined it. Our President should veto it or pull it back or do whatever he can and reinstate it to it's original version the way he wanted it and demand a vote in both house and senate by what maybe Tues. or Wed. He can do that right ? In it's present version it is sure to barely scratch the surface. Isn't that what this is all about so we will then hear "I told you this wouldn't work" in the mean time Americans die daily-literally!
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 07:38 PM
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8. I hope he doesn't take any more sh*t from the Repukes - there's no bipartisanship
You can't be bipartisan with Republicans.
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4 t 4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 07:49 PM
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9. I hope he is learning
a giant lesson from this bullshit they absolutely will not allow bipartisanship they want him to fall on his face and if that happenens they will be the first to put a foot on his head
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 07:55 PM
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10. Rush Limbaugh expressed it best when he said, "I hope he fails." Repukes are setting him up....
We need to fight back. I'M READY!
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 08:13 PM
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11. This idea is on the right track.
It will go to the House conference and then to the House for the full vote. The House should vote it down if it is anything similar to what the Senate came up with. The Democrats should be ready to let the Republicans stew in their juices for a couple of weeks. The world will not end if the stimulus is not passed in the next two weeks. The Republicans have staked an indefensible position. Democrats just need to show a little backbone and don't buy into the idea that it has to be done today or immediately. That is what the Republicans expect.
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corruptmewithpower Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 08:26 PM
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12. Maybe if we learn to ignore the GOP it'll just fade away.
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4 t 4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 08:40 PM
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13. the only really scary point
about that is so many people can't wait, like Obama said. Everyday a small business closes it's doors, a family loses it's livelyhood. this is one of the most urgent times in ____ many years ?
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 08:47 PM
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14. And it is the Republicans that are blocking help to these folks.
Period.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 08:53 PM
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15. I'll bet the conference committee will demand that at least some of the education money go back in.
Taking the axe to education and infrastructure spending was completely unacceptable. The House members of the conference committee will demand that at least some of it go back in.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 08:18 AM
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17. Round And Round She Goes...
I had someone call me last night...this was bugging him...so he did a bit of investigating. Yes, once this thing is voted out of the Senate it goes to conference. There's a strong chance that a lot of the spending cuts will be added back in, then it's back to the House...if it passes...guess where it goes...back to the Senate. Yep, this could bounce around for while as any time one body ammends the bill, the other has to vote on it. The endgame is to supposedly keep some of the restore spending, as well as some goofy tax cuts...and hope that public pressure rachets up on the repugnicans as nothing gets done.

IMHO, I think we'll see this bill broken in two...a first phase to stabilize the debt bombs going off...start to fix the credit crunch and get money flowing again. Then part two will be the real stimulus...the jobs and other expenditures that can begin the economic turnaround. In the end, I think this current bill is too much of too little. But then, this crisis is so fluid, it's hard to see one "cure-all" making it all right.
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