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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 08:25 PM
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A War Criminal burrows into President Obama's inner circle.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=3726592

Henry Kissinger is back seeking legitamacy...allowing it would be a grave mistake. I call on the president to renounce him and so should you. For the facts see here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger

In his own words:

"(Soldiers are) dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy."

"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer."

"I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist because of the irresponsibility of its own people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves."

The third quote refers to US involvement in the overthrow of the democratically elected government:
In September 1973, Allende committed suicide during a military coup launched by Army Commander-in-Chief Augusto Pinochet, who became President.<25> A document released by the CIA in 2000 titled "CIA Activities in Chile" revealed that the CIA actively supported the military junta after the overthrow of Allende and that it made many of Pinochet's officers into paid contacts of the CIA or US military, even though many were known to be involved in notorious human rights abuses<26>, until Democratic challenger Jimmy Carter, who was less tolerant of open human rights abuses, defeated President Gerald Ford in 1976.

It is time for our past criminals to be ousted and called to account for their crimes. This is the largest mistake I've seen Mr. Obama make. The ends do not justify the means.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 08:31 PM
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1. OMG! If anyone deserves to be brought up before the War Crimes Court for
what happened in Chile it's him. I hope every Chilean writes Obama about this as well as every American who believes in justice. I hope his niece Isabella Allende uses her stature as a well know author and writer to petition the President as well.
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MzNov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 08:34 PM
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2. It appears he was with Biden et al. in Germany for Biden's speech!
see first paragraph

http://crooksandliars.com/cernig/not-hawkish-bush-low-bar

I thought he would be arrested for war crimes if he went to some European countries? Guess not.

This is outrageous. :grr: :grr:
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lostnotforgotten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 08:52 PM
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3. So Much For Change We Can Believe In - The Honeymoon Was Nice While It Lasted
eom
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BunkerHill24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 08:28 PM
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53. Yup. Don't believe the hype my friend
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-07-09 09:23 PM
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4. I'm tired of writing to Obama about his miguided, outrageous picks--he really doesn't seem to care
the big "change" was only a "rearrangement."

I can't tell if it's incredibly bad judgment, naivete (could he really not know who these people really are?), or kowtowing to some superior overlord.
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clixtox Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 10:35 AM
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7. I am hoping that the "change" isn't all that we are going to have...

to spend when the economy completely tanks!

I hope that folks aren't going to be saying, "Don't blame me, I voted for Nader in 2008!"

We can only hope there is some method in this near madness for the Obama administration to be associated with Heinz Kissinger, notorious war criminal.
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digidigido Donating Member (553 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 01:02 PM
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17. They're saying don't blame me, I voted for Nader in 2000, the assholes
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johan helge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 07:43 PM
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43. Well, I blame them
- without Nader, Bush would never have happened. The 2000 Nader voters are remarkably shameless.
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 07:52 PM
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45. You are shameless for uttering these smears and lies.
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johan helge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 07:59 PM
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48. I've discussed with you before
It's like talking to a wall. No, of course, it's much worse - a wall, at least, is quiet.
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 07:59 PM
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47. ...
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 10:21 AM
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5. "America will act aggressively
... in pursuit of energy security with like-minded nations."

It's that phraseology of Biden's that's worrying. I don't think he's referring to renewable energy security there. I think he's referring to obtaining oil supplies from foreign countries by the use of force (rather than by just through normal commercial transactions - ie. paying for it).
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 05:00 PM
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23. This may be their final solution to the economic depression...
Edited on Sun Feb-08-09 05:19 PM by AntiFascist
the Dr. Strangelove character was loosely based on Henry Kissinger.

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 10:26 AM
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6. Saw Biden kissing Kissinger's ass on TV the other day
I about puked.

Did you know Kissinger can't travel abroad because there are warrants for his arrest in other countries? Rumsfeld too.
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 10:37 AM
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8. I'm not sure Salvador Allende took his own life, there have been conflicting reports.
Either way it was a junta/bloody coup.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 04:56 PM
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22. The very first report I heard was that he that he refused to run when the coup was
Edited on Sun Feb-08-09 05:00 PM by Cleita
happening. The report then stated that he committed suicide with a machine gun that had emptied with 42 bullets into him. What is wrong with that picture. I don't know much about machine guns but I doubt you could stand long enough to pump that many bullets into yourself. If anyone credible looked at the corpse afterwards, I bet the bullets were all in the back of his head, but I don't believe there are any credible witnesses. The assassin no doubt put the machine gun on his corpse to make it look like he committed suicide.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 11:16 AM
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9. Kissinger is like Poopy and Rumsfeld and Cheney and the rest. He NEVER
Edited on Sun Feb-08-09 11:17 AM by acmavm
really went away. He has never truly been disgraced as he should be when it comes to our own leaders(meaning they still allow him access to the inner workings of our government). He is a vile man, just like Cheney. And yet they never ever pay for their wickedness.

This is why they can keep influencing American politics.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 11:41 AM
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11. yup..
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 12:20 PM
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14. yes. and that is why bush/cheney must be prosecuted-
-as a preventative measure.
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 11:37 AM
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10. NO to Kissinger
nt
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 12:07 PM
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12. Unfortunately, Mr. Kissinger saw his people die by the millions in the holocaust
and his response to this was to be on the side of the opressor not the opressee.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 12:37 PM
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15. This might be "keep your friends close and your enemies closer"
The war criminal Henry Kissinger can cause a lot of problems if he wants. But Obama can help him redeem himself for starting two quagmires---the second in Iraq---if he plays nice.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 05:03 PM
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25. There's a limit to that and it's time we stopped taking our political plays from
Machiavelli's notebook. The world can't turn into a better place as long as we repeat the mistakes of the past.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 05:24 PM
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28. Didn't see your posting until after I put mine up.
Yes, I think you hit that one spot-on.
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Ani Yun Wiya Donating Member (639 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 05:32 PM
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29. "But Obama can help him redeem himself"
The quality and quantity of "redemption" required in this case are not a function of government or politics.

This war criminal should have spent the last forty years in prison, preferably in a foreign country.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 07:08 PM
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40. A large federal penitentiary next to White House would work fine!
It just feels like we are still living history on the wrong side :shrug:

Is Henry Kissinger a war criminal, fascist or just misunderstood
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=345935
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BunkerHill24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 08:35 PM
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54. Nonsense. Appeasement is not the answer
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 12:40 PM
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16. WTF is keeping that bastard alive??? nt
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 02:34 PM
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19. GOOD QUESTION!!! I Don't Know Your Age, But I Can Recall When Henry Boy
was quite the "playboy!" Something that caused me immense wonderment back then! I don't judge a book by it's cover, but he was not only unsightly back then he didn't even seem to have a personality warmer than a cold fish!

He ALWAYS gave me goose bumps and I had to chalk it up to "gold-digging & influence" by the ladies!! These days he looks like a stuffed GOOSE with un-plucked feathers!!

Puulllleeeeze spare us President Obama! Send him to the Hague... it's where he belongs!
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 12:40 PM
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64. I'm old enough to remember those days, too. Actresses hanging of his arm in the 60's and 70's. Ugh!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 05:05 PM
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26. The same thing keeping Dick Cheney alive, the fear of Hell when they finally have
to go face up to their crimes in the universal court of judgement. I'm not saying there is a Hell, just that I believe those people do believe there is going to be some kind of karma catching up with them and that makes them really afraid to die.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 12:43 PM
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66. I don't know why some sniper hasn't gotten him yet! Not that I'm condoning assassination, at all.
I'm just surprised.

:shrug:
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 06:54 PM
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37. Evidently it's hanging around with our new VP
Secret Service coverage can help Kissinger travel all around the world again. No need to worry about being arrested, while he's doing his Dr. Strangelove routine AGAIN.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 08:42 PM
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55. Some friends of mine and I came to the conclusion that
Evil is a preservative...Look how long Pinochet and Imelda Marcos live(d)
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 12:42 PM
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65. Ha! That's what my mother said about her mother. Grandma lived to be 99.
My mother didn't fare as well.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 02:32 PM
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18. I must say
that Kissinger in any official position would be a political disaster of epic proportions.

I hope it won't happen.
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keepCAblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 03:31 PM
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21. "Official position"...? It doesn't get anymore "official" than this -->
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/4530042/Cold-warrior-Henry-Kissinger-woos-Russia-for-Barack-Obama.html">Cold warrior Henry Kissinger woos Russia for Barack Obama

The Daily Telegraph has learned that the 85-year-old former US secretary of state met President Dmitry Medvedev for secret negotiations in December. According to Western diplomats, during two days of talks the octogenarian courted Russian officials to win their support for Mr Obama's initiative, which could see Russia and the United States each slashing their nuclear warheads to 1,000 warheads.

The decision to send Mr Kissinger to Moscow, taken by Mr Obama when he was still president-elect, is part of a plan to overcome probable Republican objections in Congress.

The compliment was returned when the 85-year-old veteran of the Nixon and Ford administrations said last month that the young president was in a position to create a "new world order"...

"New world order"...now, where have I heard that phrase before? Oh, yeah, HERE -->

http://www.newamericancentury.org/
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 03:48 AM
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67. Silly Me
:dunce:

Damn!
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 03:24 PM
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20. They did not prosecute Kissinger, and they won't go after the criminals from the last...
administration either.

Regarding Kissinger, it's ironic that a Nobel Peace Prize winner is also accused of war crimes.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 05:02 PM
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24. This is why we had criminals in the last administration because they weren't
prosecuted. I believe the Washington establishment likes it that way. This way they can wheel and deal while screwing over the proletariat without fear of retribution.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 05:23 PM
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27. "Hold your friends close, and your enemies closer." - Lao Tzu
Henry the K is too dangerous to be allowed to run around free in Washington, plotting coups against democratically-elected governments. That's why he needs a nice, high-profile job doing not much of anything 6 thousand miles away with an opposite party that's going to do pretty much what they want to do, no matter who we send to talk to them.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 06:39 PM
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34. "Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas." Author unknown.
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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 08:15 PM
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52.  Close as a web cam on this sad sack in blackest CIA custody in Egypt.
Condign comeuppance.
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Optical.Catalyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 06:06 PM
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30. A person would think Kissinger made enough money off the China deal to retire
The motives of Henry Kissinger should be of concern to every government official, in any government.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 04:38 AM
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62. The same thing would apply to the Bush family, one would think?
But, as Orwell observed in 1984, it's power for power's own sake, and cruelty for cruelty's sake, that moves the Inner Party.
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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 06:07 PM
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31. If he has Kissinger in his inner circle, there's no way he'll prosecute Bush and Cheney.
:grr:
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 06:55 PM
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38. Bingo! n/t
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 06:09 PM
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32. He can keep Powell company
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Ani Yun Wiya Donating Member (639 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 06:31 PM
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33. Two other possibilities.
Hillary needs "mentoring".
Rahm needs a "strong father figure".
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ProgressIn2008 Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 08:03 PM
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49. Heh, well put. Indeed. nt
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 06:41 PM
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35. thanks for the warning. Kicked and Recommended.
and we need to get more and more recommends, so the message gets back to
his O'ness.

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TornadoTN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 06:52 PM
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36. What's next? Dick Cheney as a Special Assistant to the President?
Seriously, I'm getting more and more jaded as time goes by.

I know we're just three weeks in, but I think there are some things that just go without saying are a bad idea. This is another one of those moments.
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Optical.Catalyst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 05:36 AM
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63. How about Dick Cheney as 'Special Assassin for the President'?
Dove hunting in south Texas anyone?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 06:56 PM
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39. Does anyone have a credible source for this yet?
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rucognizant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 07:34 PM
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41. I read about this a while back!
BEFORE THE ELECTION! Aug. Sept.? he called together a group of foreign policy advisers. Sorry no link; but it is out there
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 08:08 PM
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51. UPI, Moscow Times, UK papers all report Kissy/Putin meeting last year
Fall 2008.

As to how credible they are :shrug:

It's interesting that all the news sources describe the meetings as "secret." It could actually be a Kremlin-floated talking point for political reasons.

Interesting all the same.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 11:07 PM
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60. I'll give some background and people can decide
IF (big IF) it could be true or not.


Nunn-Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction Program

"Co-sponsored by Sam Nunn, former Democratic Senator from Georgia, and Indiana Republican Richard Lugar, the Act was first approved in 1991 in response to the disintegration of the Soviet Union. Designed to limit the threat of suddenly itinerant weaponry, Nunn-Lugar established a fund to pay for the identification, destruction and disposal of nuclear and chemical weapons. The initiative also actively welcomed former Soviet scientists into the American community, hoping to lure prospective bomb-makers and chemical-mixers away from rogue nations."


Additional info:

The Nunn-Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction Program




Lugar and Obama Urge Destruction of Conventional Weapons

August 30, 2005


DONETSK, Ukraine – U.S. Senators Dick Lugar (R-IN) and Barack Obama (D-IL) called for the immediate destruction of 15,000 tons of ammunition, 400,000 small arms and light weapons, and 1,000 man-portable air defense systems (MANPADS) or shoulder missile launchers that are often sought by terrorists.

Lugar and Obama toured the Donetsk State Chemical Production Plant, a conventional weapons destruction facility where the U.S. has taken the lead in a three-year NATO program to destroy the weapons. Another 117,000 tons of ammunition and 1.1 million small arms and light weapons are slated for destruction within 12 years.

The visit underscores the importance of legislation Lugar and Obama have authored that would commit additional U.S. resources and expand authorities in cooperative threat reduction of conventional weapons around the world. The bill is part of the Foreign Relations Authorization Bill that is pending in the Senate and will be introduced as a free-standing bill by the senators this fall

Lugar and Obama Detained at Russian Airport for Several Hours


Obama, Lugar Secure Funding for Implementation of Nonproliferation Law


December 16-18, 2008
Synopsis of Senator Lugar's 'Confidence Building' Moscow Mission

"Senator Lugar met with Russian officials December 16-18 to discuss the future of U.S.-Russia relations"

"In each of his meetings and interviews, Senator Lugar was greeted as a close friend of President-elect Obama. Each host and media interviewer wanted Senator Lugar to recount the 2005 trip in which he brought then Senator Obama to Russia for his first visit. During that visit, Senators Obama and Lugar were detained for three hours at the Perm airport. It is clear that stories of the detainment have taken on epic proportions in Russian popular culture."

"Lugar has said his Moscow trip is intended to find out "what's on the minds of the Russian leadership" and report back to the new administration of president-elect Barack Obama."

"Lugar, a key member of U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committees, is a veteran of U.S.-Russian arms control efforts who has worked closely with Obama on safeguarding loose nuclear weapons in the former Soviet Union.

He was reportedly under consideration to be Obama's secretary of state until Hillary Clinton was offered the job instead, even though Lugar represents the Republican Party as opposed to Obama's Democratic Party."

" Lugar is holding a series of meetings in Moscow to sound out the prospects for an intensified dialogue on future nuclear arms cuts after the Obama administration takes office."

"Lugar isn’t the only heavyweight in play. His visit follows an even more telling event: Former secretary of state Henry Kissinger visited Russia as well recently, and reportedly met with Russian President Dmitri Medvedev on Dec. 12. According to a Stratfor source, however, Kissinger actually spent the bulk of his trip meeting quietly with Prime Minister Vladimir Putin. In Russia, Kissinger is the most respected and highly regarded American, period. If he is there at any time, he is there with authority to speak for the U.S. administration. Lugar’s subsequent trip suggests that Kissinger’s meetings were —- at least in part —- focused on renewing meaningful arms-control discussions."









Bush and Nunn-Lugar

Bush Releases Money to Destroy Russian Arms

"But critics in Congress have been imposing stiff conditions on the release of the funds, saying Russia has not spent enough of its own money on the program or fully complied with its arms control and human rights obligations.

As a result, no funds have been released in more than three years. But the waivers Bush signed Friday override those conditions for one year."


link

"As an October 2001 Time magazine piece pointed out, "the 2002 federal budget calls for cuts of about $140 million . That's quite a hit for an initiative whose seven-year operating costs were only $3 billion — less than the annual cost of missile defense research and development efforts." Despite the administration's rhetoric about weapons of mass destruction – which unprotected nuclear weapons surely are – in the president's 2005 budget proposal, funding for the program again fell slightly from 2004 levels. As the Carnegie Endowment for Peace reported in March 2004, "Bush's proposed budget for FY 2005 cuts funding for Nunn-Lugar by 10 percent and cuts the Department of Energy's Russian nuclear security funding by 8 percent." In the president's 2006 budget, he has called for $416 million for the Nunn-Lugar program, which is $7 million above the 2005 enacted level, and about even with what the program has been receiving since its inception."


Additional info




Obama Wants New Russia Nuke Pact

"According to sources at the White House, which the newspaper did not name, Hillary Clinton's State Department is going to take the lead in looking for a pact to replace the 1991 "Start" agreement (U.S.-Soviet Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty), and now, Washington is really willing to play ball.

Under former President George W. Bush, the U.S. aggressively pursued a plan to build missile defense installations on Russia's door-step — in Poland for instance. Mr. Bush maintained the missile defense system was crucial to defend America and its allies against the increasing threat of ballistic missiles from countries like Iran and North Korea.

According to The Times, however, Obama's administration has already halted the development of the missile defense program and as a means of getting the ball rolling on new disarmament talks, and has said the entire plan is subject to "review."

Depending on the outcome of that "review," Russia has signaled a willingness to enter negotiations on a new treaty."


Russia signals new optimism on ties with U.S

" Russia on Sunday welcomed a pledge by the United States "to press the reset button" on relations with Moscow, in a sign the former Cold War rivals could repair relations under President Barack Obama.

Vice President Joe Biden, in a speech at a security conference in Munich, said on Saturday it was time to end a dangerous drift in ties and work with Moscow.

Russian Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov, speaking at a news conference in Munich after meeting Biden on Sunday, said the United States had sent a strong signal about its willingness to cooperate.

"It is obvious the new U.S. administration has a very strong desire to change and that inspires optimism," Ivanov said."


Joe Biden: Obama's 'new tone' for world


Obama, Pentagon pull in different directions on no nukes goal

"President Barack Obama has set a goal of a "world without nuclear weapons" but the Pentagon is leaning in a seemingly contradictory direction: a modernized nuclear arsenal.

The new administration has signaled its intent to swiftly engage Russia in negotiations on deeper cuts in their respective arsenals, with the ultimate aim of reducing them to zero.

But US Defense Secretary Robert Gates has been leading another kind of charge, arguing in the final months of the previous administration that deeper cuts must be underpinned by production of a new warhead to replace an ageing nuclear stockpile.

On the other hand, former secretaries of state Henry Kissinger and George Shultz, former defense secretary William Perry and former Senator Sam Nunn say that nuclear weapons are increasingly ineffective as a deterrent."








START: Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty

1991: Superpowers to cut nuclear warheads

"The United States and the Soviet Union have signed an historic agreement reducing their stockpiles of nuclear warheads by about a third.
The Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty, known as Start, was signed in Moscow by US President George (HW) Bush and Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev.

At a joint news conference after the signing ceremony, Mr Bush described the Start treaty as "a significant step forward in dispelling half a century of mistrust".

Mr Gorbachev said it promised to be the start of "an irreversible process" of arms reduction, but stressed there was "still a lot to do". "





Additional links

August 28, 2007
Lugar, Nunn Push Arms Security Program

January 15, 2008
Toward a Nuclear-Free World
By GEORGE P. SHULTZ, WILLIAM J. PERRY, HENRY A. KISSINGER and SAM NUNN


Sam Nunn lines up behind Barack Obama

"The former senator, considered one of the nation’s preeminent experts on U.S. defense, met with Obama’s foreign policy team this morning.

In a just released statement, Nunn said Obama “will have the sound judgment to put together an outstanding governing team, bringing people together across old boundaries.”

“My own role in this campaign will be as an advisor - particularly in the field of national security and foreign policy,” Nunn said.


Said Obama on Nunn, in a prepared statement: “Few public servants have done more than Sam Nunn to keep America safe, and I look forward to drawing on his counsel as we work to combat nuclear proliferation and other threats to America’s national security.”



Was Kissinger in Russia December 2008? Probably.

Was he there at the request of Obama? It's possible.

It's also possible that Nunn asked him to go or that Lugar asked him to go...or that he went on his own.














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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 12:38 AM
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61. Thank you, Solly Mack!
:hi:
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 07:39 PM
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42. Why are they dealing with this man? nt
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 07:44 PM
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44. Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!
This cannot be happening.
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johan helge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 07:56 PM
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46. In memory of General Alberto Bachelet Martínez, the father of
Chile's current President, Michelle Bachelet.

"Alberto Arturo Miguel Bachelet Martínez (c. 1922-March 12, 1974) was a Brigadier General of the Chilean Air Force. He opposed the coup of General Augusto Pinochet, and was imprisoned and subject to torture for several months until his death in 1974 of heart problems" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberto_Bachelet).


http://www.memoriaviva.com/Ejecutados/Ejecutados%20B/bachelet_martinez_alberto_arturo.htm


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ProgressIn2008 Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 08:05 PM
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50. Burrows? That makes it sounds like HK is sneaking about, when he's been praised and included by
the president and vice-president, given influential policy shaping roles by the administration.

Kissinger isn't a stealth villain sneaking into the picture. He's part of the plan.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 09:12 PM
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56. Sending Kissinger is an insult. I try to understand the thinking of Obama it's difficult. Kissinger
Edited on Sun Feb-08-09 09:14 PM by peacetalksforall
is the most dangerous negotiator on this earth. What we're feeling was ramped up by him. Throughout all the administrations of all the Presidents since he was Sec of State, he has been making deals for his own company, Kissinger Associates, with the leaders of other countries.

Has anyone forgotten his business relations with Milosovic. This article is tame - if you're new to Kiss of Death just google the key names and you will find rotten deals that Kissinger and Eagleburger profited from while meddling in the former Yugoslavia. This occurred all during the Bosnian conflict and BEFORE. He may have caused it/contributed to it. link below

If anyone attempted to compile the number of people who were killed in the events he has been involved in while living in the U.S., it would be overwhelming.

Perhaps Obama wants Kiss of Death on his mission, so Kiss of Death won't be on a mission of his own.

This is a very untrustworthy person,imo. A meddler for personal profit and profit of friends.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/07/gop-in-yugoslavia-eagleburger.php
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asteroid2003QQ47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 09:59 PM
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57. Hooking up with traitor Kissinger is the kiss of death for me, I wish...
I could take my vote back.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 10:12 PM
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58. I hate everything Kissinger stands for, but decreasing two
nuclear collections by 1,000 warheads is a good thing. What am I missing?
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 10:53 PM
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59. WTF
is Obama doing with using Kissinger!
GodDamnIT to Hell! Kissinger is a WAR CRIMINAL!


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