Could Republicans be glad the economy is doing poorly?

[wildflowergardener]

Today while watching the debates, it occurred to me that perhaps in some ways the republicans in office are glad this is happening. I am pretty sure that they don't want people to get fair wages - otherwise why would they vote against the minimum wage so many times and fight against unions - what better way to reduce the general population's wages then to make people so glad to have a job at all, that they'll be willing to take most anything.

I hate to think people would be that way - but sometimes I wonder why they are fighting this stimulus package so much - other than wanting Obama to fail - if there isn't some other reason.

Meg

[lostnotforgotten]

1. Of Course - If Obama Succeeds - Republicans Lose - Its Elementary

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[Idealism]

2. Um... D-motherfucking-uhhh

They are afraid of success, because they fear it would give us a semi-permanent majority. They opposed Clinton's health care plan in the 1990s on the same premise. They fear any Democratic legislation's success, why do you think they tried to make the Stimulus bill as ineffective as possible?

[ashling]

3. Very much so

:puke:

[babylonsister]

4. I think the rethugs are invested in trying to weaken the stimulus

package so it fails, thus all the blame will be placed with PrezObama and the Dems. Nevermind that the rethugs set the groundwork for this mess in the first place.

I do believe they could care less about American workers and their futures. At least, they're not acting like they care.

[glinda]

16. Yup cuz they don't give a sh*t about the planet or America.

[whathappened]

5. a master plan

these dam pukes have had a master plan to do just that , they are trying to get wages down for every worker in america , they only want the top to have a good wage and the rest of us can just go and suck a egg , i will never forget what they have done to this country and what goes around , comes around , some day they will pay for this in spades

[wildflowergardener]

6. Fail

I get that they probably want it to fail so Obama looks bad - I think that's pretty obvious.

What I just started wondering if it isn't more a way of getting wages down - making people so desperate they'll accept anything.

[natrat]

25. with all the trillions they have stolen and socked away in the caymans

they want values of everything to hit the floor so they can buy america for pennies-so yes of course they want depression but hopefully not facism.

[MadMaddie]

7. I think they are fighting it because they are selfish and

because they can. The Republicans are throwing a temper tantrum and the American people are tiring of it.

I believe that the more the public sees the Republicans fight the stimulus plan the more Americans will despise the Republicans.

I also believe that they do not want a Black man to succeed where they have failed! Just a gut feeling!

[gratuitous]

8. The good news is . . .

Regardless of which way Republicans are rooting, they don't have much influence. If the economy tanks thanks to their ruinous policies, and despite the best efforts of other Americans of good will, then that ruination is still on them. And if the economy recovers, it will be no thanks to their obstructionist tactics, wherein politics trumps good public policy.

The upshot is, whichever way it goes, fuck 'em.

[Jackpine Radical]

9. Ever read Naomi Wolf's Shock Doctrine?

If not, do so. I think it will leave you with no doubts about their intentions.

[wildflowergardener]

11. No I haven't

I will check that out - although sometimes I have to turn the radio off or other things like that cause I just get so angry and need a break - that book would possibly do that too.

[alfredo]

17. Republicanism will become very clear to you. You will understand why

they act like they do. You will understand the "science" behind Shock and Awe and the Blitzkrieg. You will also understand why they torture. Jane Mayer's "The Dark Side" goes much deeper into the subject of torture.

John Dean's "Conservatives Without Conscience" is also required reading.

[Kaleko]

20. Naomi Klein wrote The Shock Doctrine.

http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine/the-book

[Jackpine Radical]

24. Brain fart on my part. Wrong Naomi. Sorry.

Naomi Wolf wrote the End of America among other things.

[Kaleko]

29. Two hard-hitting Naomis.

Easy to get dazzled by these ladies to the point of forgetting their last names.

Happens to the best of us. :hi:

[MrModerate]

10. Does the Pope shit in the woods?

It's traditional of wreckers in the VI Lenin model: first make things as bad as possible, then you have a better chance of stealing power. It helps if you're a conscienceless bastard, of course.

[Still Sensible]

Prior to January 20 they were not glad............... n/t

[wildflowergardener]

13. signature

I like your signature - that's pretty much how I feel sometimes.

[Demobrat]

12. Well they certainly don't want to see Obama turn it around.

Not if it means they remain out of power. And it's not like they make any secret of it. Their spokesblob, Rush Limbaugh, talks about it openly on the air.

[Bryan]

14. Oh, definitely

National Republican officeholders are completely insulated: personal wealth, chummy business connections, multiple pensions-even if they lose their offices, they don't need to worry about working for a living. They've got no idea what life is like for working Americans. That whining bastard McCain is a prime example; he's spent his entire life in the upper echelon of the public sector, to say nothing of marrying into a fortune.

[wildflowergardener]

15. after Jan

I'm sure they were hoping it would wait until after Obama took office though - it just got ahead of their planning. I hate to think that way about people but after the last eight years nothing would surprise me.

[Lucinda]

18. No. I have Rep friends and family members who are hurting.

They DO NOT want to see our government fail. I doubt the people they elected do either.

I think the majority of them think this isn't the right course of action. Which is why they have an (R) beside their names. They are wired differently then dems are....

Though I'm sure there are a few who may fit your description.

[Joe the Liberal]

23. The people they elected don't care........

Your rep friends need to wake up, the Republicans they support and vote for don't care if they are hurting and they don't care about America or our government. All they care about is themselves and their power, they know what they are doing by being obstructionists and it's not for the betterment of America.

[wildflowergardener]

26. people

I am sure the people don't want it to fail - it's more the elected officials I'm wondering about - and people like rush and fox news.

[kentuck]

19. By now, it is obvious...

that Republicans do not think of such trivial matters. They are concerned about regaining power and winning political battles. They do not concern themselves with such trivial matters as saving the country.

[KharmaTrain]

21. This Is A Pissing Match...

This is the first major political battle after a realignment of power in this country (or the closest we'll come to it). The GOOP can't afford for either President Obama or his policies to succede or they're screwed for years to come. Their only hope is that Obama screws up worse than boooshie and they're gonna do their part to make that happen.

To answer your question...YES...they want the economy to tank so they can revise history, as usual, and blame the Democrats for everything that they've been responsible for. It's like the spoiled kid who will ruin everyone elses time just to get attention and be relevant.

The game here is if the GOOPers can either derail or water down this legislation then they'll try it again and again. This has nothing to do with how people are suffering...they don't care, they don't feel it. It's all about power and ego.

[BlooInBloo]

22. Another DUer discovers the obvious.

[4 t 4]

27. My Opion

thin the herds. That has been a republican ideal for years. It is also part of the PNAC's ideology. It is working too, people are gonna die every day if we do nothing and we are doing nothing because the republicans won't allow it. I think the republican ideology is the less people the better. And they will be better off. But don't forget they are against abortion and for the death penalty. Selective life in their terms I think so.

[SammyWinstonJack]

28. Same as it always is with the repugs.

[Jim Warren]

30. Depressions

are when wealth comes back to it's rightful owners.

JP Morgan

[pampango]

31. In their "partisan" heart, "sure", which for too many of their politicians means a big "YES".

Of course, I'm reminded, that they made that accusation against us last year and for the last eight years. I remember a RW meme last fall that the economic crises was a Democratic plot to win the election for Obama. (Not that there was a logical explanation of how that could possibly be true.) And, of course, the "Democrats want the US to lose in Iraq" meme repeated countless times.

Apparently partisan repub hacks must believe that everyone thinks like they do. If the OTHER party is in power, what's bad for the country is good for MY party.

[sohndrsmith]

32. What a frightening thought. One that has occurred to our President. I have proof -

as evidenced in his speech the other day, when he succinctly said:


"....Don’t come to table with the same tired arguments and worn ideas that helped create this crisis.

We’re not going to get relief by turning back to the very same policies that in eight short years doubled the national debt and threw our economy into a tailspin.

We can’t embrace the losing formula that offers more tax cuts as the only answer to every problem we face, while ignoring critical challenges like our addiction to foreign oil, the soaring cost of health care, failing schools and crumbling bridges, roads and levees.

I don’t care whether you’re driving a hybrid or an SUV – if you’re headed for a cliff, you have to change direction.

The American people are watching. They did not send us here to get bogged down with the same old delay and distractions. They did not vote for the false theories of the past.

They did not vote for the status quo – they sent us here to bring change, and we owe it to them to act. This is the moment for leadership that matches the great test of our time."