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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 01:11 AM
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Dean says we have built a national powerhouse, we have to work to keep it and not be complacent.
At Open Left there is a blog post tonight that says just what I was thinking all week.

Party of Ideas? Not so much

..."A) Democrats are reality-based when it comes to policies, and totally out to lunch when it comes to winning elections, and politicking in general.
(B) But Republicans are totally out to lunch when it comes to policies, and as reality-based as it gets when it comes to winning elections, and politicking in general.

The Democrats' success in the last two electoral cycles would seem to negate the second half of "A", and I'm hoping to be proven wrong sometime soon, but given how badly the GOP screwed things up it's hard to see how Democratic leadership can claim any sort of extraordinary credit for their success in these elections. More to the point right now, they've been strikingly inept at capitalizing on the transparent howling-at-the-moon insanity of the GOP. The GOP is holding a totally garbage hand, the Dems are holding four aces, and the GOP has still been controlling the play.

That's because, no matter how discredited their ideas may be, they still work as weapons so long as the Democrats are afraid of them.


That's the only idea that the so-called "party of ideas" has left. And the Democrats? Can they think their way past that one?


Yes, the GOP has a garbage hand. They have been on TV touting it and tearing down our good ideas. We have let them do it.

I can not turn on the TV this week without seeing the Republicans who have absolutely no ideas spouting nonsense about the good ideas our side has. And I see very few people countering them on their BS and getting out in front of them.

At the winter meeting before Howard Dean stepped down as chairman, he gave a warning.

For his part, Dean relinquished the party reins he held for four years with a few cautionary words to the several hundred Democrats attending the party's winter meeting.

"We have together built our party into a national powerhouse but we have a lot of work to do because we have to keep it going," Dean said. "We can't appear complacent."


Indeed, complacency is an inherent risk for any party that has such a depth of power. Democrats now have control of the White House, expanded majorities in Congress and advantages in governor's mansions and state legislatures across the country.
Obama puts stamp on DNC


This week I have seen the Blue Dogs and New Dems assume their usual roles of pulling the party to the right, gutting the very parts of the stimulus plan meant to help those among us who need it the most.

I unapologetically post Dean's words about that very thing.

From page 100 of "You Have the Power"

"It has of course been in the interest of Republicans to stress self-reliance and individualism. That's the Frank Luntz way of packaging their economic plans to starve support for the needy.

But leaving people on their own to flounder and drown doesn't really reflect the values of most America. The policies based on this philosophy of social Darwinism haven't made American strong: they've made middle-class America weaker by draining resources away from families. By taking our own money away from civic life and community activism. By encouraging selfishness. By making people feel alone."


And why you are not hearing that much on the above topic from our Democrats....they are not willing to pay the price for the candor that will be needed to speak the truth.

I have seen only a couple of Democrats in Congress go on TV and really say what needs to be said right now. One of them was Pete DeFazio on Rachel Maddow's show. Not many others at all. In fact I can not even remember their names.

We have a chance now to change this country. With the idiotic mindset in the Senate it won't be easy. But guess what, we won. We won, folks. We do control both Houses. We have got to act like it.

Dean is out of national party leadership apparently now, and the very ones who encourage the catering to the right are the ones who have Obama's ear. That worries me.

More from Dean:

From page 124 of "You Have the Power"

"For Democrats to offer voters a significant change over the long term, we need to say what we mean and not be afraid of the consequences. But there is a price to be paid for candor, and I and others inclined to speak our minds have discovered the hard way. There is no reward now in politics for saying what you think. On the contrary, in the get-along-go-along world of Washington, politicians are penalized for saying what they believe, and insincerity is the currency of our culture. (After I finished my campaign, I fully understood what Harry Truman had meant when he said, "If you want a friend in Washington, get a dog.")

America's politicians attack one another by day and slap one another on the back by evening. They can play this game because they know that their fighting words have no real meaning. And the media play right along, reporting on the game as though it were a story of substance. Indeed, the game becomes the story, and discussions of substance are relegated to a newspaper's inside pages if they are covered at all."

"What passes for news are stories of little lasting importance. My candor--like John McCain's in a previous election--was covered as a personality trait. We both endured "temperament" stories--and the issues we were candid about took a backseat. Candor ended up being a vulnerability for us as much as it was a virtue."


In the preface to the 2006 edition of his book he told about a speech he gave at GWU just before his decision to run for party chairman.

"On December 8, I went to George Washington University to give a speech about the future of the Democratic Party. I wanted to answer what had become the two prevailing schools of thought on our electoral losses: that we would need to move to the center, and that we would need to retake the issue of values. I told the assembled crowd, "There's only one thing Republican power brokers want more than for us to lurch to the left, and that's for us to lurch to the right. What they fear most is that we may really begin fighting for what we believe -- the fiscally responsible, socially progressive values for which Democrats have always stood and fought."


That is just exactly correct. If we lurch to the right, we will not hold the WH and Congress we worked so hard to win.

The Republicans are fearless, and they never give up. They never do.

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 01:30 AM
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1. K&R
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 02:12 AM
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2. Thanks, we need to stand up for our Democratic principles.
We need not to let Ben Nelson run the Senate Dems. We can't go back to those ways.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 02:35 AM
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4. I agree 100%
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 02:24 AM
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3. Why the talk of all the unity with the extremists GOP? Started years ago.
Reinventing Democrats

How did a group of elite politicians and operatives transform a political party?

First, they gave themselves a little bit of distance. After several unsuccessful attempts to influence the party establishment from within, the reformers formed the DLC as an extra-party organization in 1985. This avoided what Bruce Babbitt referred to as the "Noah's Ark problem"---the need to satisfy diverse constituents by taking representative positions on behalf of each one.They could also raise their own money (which DLC honchos like Virginia's Chuck Robb were notably good at), start their own think tank (the Progressive Policy Institute), and publicize their own views without tangling with the cumbersome Party bureaucracy.


They are their own party in effect. They are the ones pushing for this unity and one of their favorite words is post partisanship.

That tactic would work if the other side were not being controlled by the Rush Limbaugh, Joe the Plumber, and Sarah Palin types...all scrambling to the leadership.

You can not compromise with extremists. They just take over, they do not compromise.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 03:27 AM
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5. K&R. If only we had many, many more men in government like Howard Dean.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 03:58 AM
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7. Apparantly people like Obama, Rahm and Clinton won't allow them into government.
Edited on Sun Feb-08-09 04:01 AM by w4rma
The current people that the administration has leaked as being their top picks for HHS both are HORRIBLE picks in terms of policy, in one case, and strategy in the other.

Dean is such a perfect fit for HHS in all cases that it has become blatantly obvious that the Democrats in this administration have a serious problem with good government politicians.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 03:57 AM
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6. Howard had to fight tooth and nail to become DNC chairman
And now he is being punished for being so good at it. One wonders just who is pulling
the strings here, Barack Obama or Wolf Blitzer?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 12:36 PM
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9. Exactly right, DFW
Exactly right.
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 11:24 AM
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8. I unapologetically K&R this post.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 08:14 PM
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25. Unapologetically accepted.
:hi:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 01:08 PM
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10. Our Democrats need to go on TV and get very angry.
Angry at what has been done to our country. They need to stop being so carefully and cautiously spoken.

They need to show some emotion and some clarity about how we got in this mess in the first place.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 02:08 PM
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11. Here's a good example of destroying our powerhouse...Rahm urges Dems to give in.
As Jane puts it so well at Fire Dog Lake:

As AP puts it, "the group backed away from a confrontation that threatened to kill the legislation altogether after White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel weighed in to urge Democrats make a final round of concessions." In other words, his idea of "bipartisanship" has always been to beat up Democrats and make them give in to conservative policy objectives that already have strong Republican support. It's how he operated in the House, how he "gets stuff done." He doesn't know how to craft policy and win consensus.
Slashing Cobra and more


More I agree with her about:

If Rahm wants to brag about being responsible for the bill's final form, he's got to own the cuts for $20 billion in school construction, $2 billion for rural broadband, $3.5 billion to make federal buildings more energy efficient and $40 billion in aid to states. And I hope none of the 600,000 newly unemployed were hoping for more health care help from COBRA -- $5 billion got slashed out of that, too.








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debbierlus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 02:52 PM
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12. This stuff is so obvious. Why Obama has surrounded himself with those who been part of the problems

As his main advisors...

DINOS are the last thing this country needs right now.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 09:11 PM
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29. Yes, it is pretty obvious.
And I wonder why there is not a real pretense to pretend otherwise?

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antimatter98 Donating Member (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 02:52 PM
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13. Democratic elites are no friend of average Americans. n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 11:09 PM
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21. And too many of them are...
elites that is.
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Still Sensible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 03:23 PM
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14. I believe we have built the foundation
of a powerhouse, but we are not there yet. It took a completely failed Bush administration and the frustrations of a collapsed economy and two simultaneous wars for our side to get a solid, short of an outright landslide, victory. We have modest control of both houses of Congress and the bully pulpit of the White House.

Dr. Dean is right. We do not want to lurch to the right. We want to steadily and successfully start moving to the left with "fiscally responsible and socially progressive values." If we do that, we will indeed be building the powerhouse he speaks of. I believe what we have seen in the first three weeks of the Obama administration is doing exactly that.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 03:38 PM
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15. If we are doing so well...why are the Republicans getting everything they wanted
and the Democrats are being asked to cave in just a little more on each issue.

I'm with Jane Hamsher on this..

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Still Sensible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 03:55 PM
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16. I surely don't see the republicans "getting everything they wanted."
If they were getting everything they wanted, the tax cuts would be the majority of the package and they would be done in the same way Bush's were--screwing the working poor. It's not.

If they were getting everything they wanted, all of the "green" proposals would be stripped from the stimulus, all of the money would be stripped from education, and all of the supplemental money for states would be gone. It's not.

Look, if there was no such thing as moderate or conservative democrats and we had 60 liberal seats in the Senate, no compromise would be necessary. But that is not where we are at.

Once the Senate version passes, it will go to a conference committee and some things will certainly get put back in. And with the majorities in Congress, other things can be pursued on an individual basis.

I agree with much of what Hamsher says... and yes the republicans keep trotting out the "Obama's not being bipartisan" meme. But it's not working. He has taken the high road, still going to get most of what he wants in this first round, and the GOP continue to look like the obstructionists they are spouting "the same failed policies" that got us into this mess.

Is everything great yet? No. Are we politically in pretty good shape right now? I think so.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 04:43 PM
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17. The benefits of "winning" mean not having to give in to knuckleheads.
So why are we still doing it?

The Republicans have the microphone, the bully pulpit, the media....just as they did before.

There are so many things we could be hammering in, but we are not. We are giving the other side just as much power as we have.

I guarantee you they would never treat us that way.
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Still Sensible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 04:53 PM
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18. You are not wrong about that
"they would never treat us that way." But at the moment, the President is taking the high road and we'll see if there is anything positive to come from that.
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ColesCountyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 05:29 PM
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19. I am PROUD to reccomend this post!
Awesome job!

:hi::dem:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 01:51 AM
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22. And I appreciate that you did.
:hi:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-08-09 07:57 PM
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20. Dang! A liberal group AU for Change, is running ads for Collins, Snowe, Specter.
Because of all their wonderful help on the stimulus bill.

Running ads for the opposition.

A lot of readers see what Collins, Nelson, Specter et al. are doing in the worst light. Nelson as a turncoat. And Collins, Snowe and Specter diluting the Stimulus Bill to no good end. On the policy merits, I completely agree. As many others with greater grasps of the budgetary and economics particulars have argued, the list of cuts they've pushed through follow no coherent approach to the package -- and build up the least effective parts of the package at the expense of the most. They follow a logic of political grandstanding.

But one of the biggest outside, labor-liberal groups pushing this bill, Americans United for Change, is out in these states running new ads this weekend in support of Collins, Specter, Snowe and Nelson.

With friends like these...


In case you don't know here is what those folks have cut. Did anyone tell the Democrats we won?


http://openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=11446

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pundaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 06:03 AM
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23. There is no Democratic party only Republicans and not Republicans
We need a legitimate second party. An organization to stand up for the People. We got the Money party, and the not Money party who don't want to mess with the Money, but will try to get a little for the people.

We've had a majority for two years and things only got worse. No we have an overwhelming majority and the Republicans are still calling the tune.

A failure bill is about to be passed and applauded as success, but it will only be the last cork popping from the dike.

Enough, I say. If the Democrats wont lead, we need a new Peoples party that will use all the power we can give it. Aren't you tired of voting for people without nearly your passion who only capitulate on your behalf. Capitulation sucks! Let's have a party who believes in people.



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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 10:58 AM
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24. Yes, it seems they are still calling the tune.
The Republicans that is.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-09-09 11:35 PM
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26. Dean's correct . . . and we should listen to him!
Edited on Mon Feb-09-09 11:36 PM by defendandprotect
Bookmarking --- to read more thoroughly tomorrow ---

I'd certainly like to hear Obama and Dean talk about corporate welfare ---

US taxpayer welfare for the kings of capitalism!!!

Who then want to turn around after pulling in $8.5 TRILLION and saying that

ordinary Americans in trouble shouldn't be aided!

Our biggest problems are with the eroding of the Democratic Party from the INSIDE!!!

DLC/BLUE DOGS -- who are basically Republicans --



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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 12:21 AM
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27. Good on Dr. Dean he's all about the greater good and I'm sure he's fine whoever Barack selects in >
his cabinet.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 01:16 AM
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28. The greater good for our party...
will not be served by keeping him out of the national leadership scene.

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 09:27 PM
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30. The leadership has to stop chasing Reagan and realize they have
the winning hand in the principles that once made the party great. Otherwise, the great gains will be gone before you know it like a blink of an eye.
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