Forcing the gay agenda on the military will devastate it

[sniffa]

REPORTS describe President Barack Obama as aloof from the drive for gays in the military - a cause he championed during the campaign. Cool posturing will not hide real problems if Obama signs legislation forcing the gay agenda on the military.

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But Clinton imposed his convoluted "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" concept on the military anyway, issuing administrative regulations that the US Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit recognized in 1996 as inconsistent with the law. Restoring "the question" about homosexuality on induction forms (no new legislation required) would reduce the comparatively small number of discharges for homosexuality to near zero.

If Obama signs a bill repealing the statute, he will bear full responsibility for consequences that would devastate the volunteer force. The new policy would force straight servicemen and women to cohabit with professed (not discreet) homosexuals, in all military communities. That would include Army and Marine infantry battalions, Special Operations Forces, Navy SEALS, surface ships, and submarines.

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Sexual tension of any kind is disruptive, but some advocates imply that homosexuals are more perfect than everyone else. Their "civil rights" argument breaks down when the issue is sexuality, not race. Why don't we force military women to cohabit with men in conditions of "forced intimacy," a phrase used in current law?

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2009/02/08/open_door_creates_problems/

The whole piece is stunningly awful but I found my self laughing out loud while reading it over my eggs blackstone. Amazingly, today is one of the few times that Jeff Jacoby didn't have the most cringe-worthy piece.

[saltpoint]

1. Ancient Thebes puts the lie to anyone objecting to gays and lesbians

serving in the military.

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[donco6]

3. My mom always said . . .

"I can't have anything nice in this house because of you damn kids!"

We had a tendency to be overcome with the temptation to pick up and observe niceties - particularly fragile ones - only to have them destroyed in our hands.

And so, the solution was to keep the niceties out of the house altogether. "They create too much of a temptation. You kids cannot be trusted to behave yourselves." We were like - four.

The option, of course, would have been to teach us not to handle the niceties. To, perhaps, recognize them for their value and learn to leave them alone. I've heard it can work. But oh no, they were labeled as Too Great a Temptation, and banned from the household forever.

So, it's probably for the best that gays, lesbians and women be forever banned from the military. For we know, as confirmed by numerous generals and Secretaries of Defense, that our fighting corps cannot be trusted not to leave the niceties alone. It's simply too great a temptation.

[Stevenmarc]

4. What the people that object can't seem to grasp.

Gay military service members are already cohabiting with their straight counterparts and have been doing so since the start of our military.

[JerseygirlCT]

6. And they're just not that into them... nt

[EFerrari]

8. The stupid hurts, doesn't it?

[JerseygirlCT]

5. Oh the horror of sharing a room or space with a *professed homosexual*!!!

How could anyone possibly stand that?

How completely and totally stupid. We straight people sometimes need to be reminded that we're not automatically a point of interest for a gay person simply because we happen to share a gender. Geez. Some people think they're awfully attractive, don't they?

That sort of fraternizing is frowned on, period. Why should it matter in the least what orientation is involved?

I don't get this.

(Oh and I hate Jacoby. What an ass).

[sniffa]

9. For reals

What I hear many a time from some hideous looking people is, "I don't have anything against gay people - I just don't want them trying to have sex with me"

I usually tell them that it's not going to be an issue unless the gay person is blind.

[JerseygirlCT]

11. LOL!

It cracks me up. Do the same people just assume that every straight person of the opposite sex is interested in them? Probably not. But the mere fact that someone of their sex who happens to be gay is standing in the same room -- well, you know those homosexuals, rabid appetites and all - probably can't keep his/her hands off me...

Why do they flatter themselves so in that situation?

[TahitiNut]

18. I hear the same thing from some women when I advocate for a universal (male & female) draft.

I find it quite stunning that it's often the "coyote ugly" who raise the spectre of constant molestation from those horny guys. It's a view of the military that's hard to dispel. The same arguments were posed against allowing women into the military service academies. The same arguments were raised regarding coed dorms at college.

This is NOT an 'argument' posed solely abut gays in the military. (Yes ... I served with gays in Vietnam. Maybe I'm just too ugly for words but it NEVER bothered me.) Freaking insane horseshit.

[jonnyblitz]

7. I am familiar with the lady that wrote this piece. she heads

some right wing military lobby group/think tank. she was around running her mouth in the early 90's when the Clinton "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" stuff was going on. Her and her group also aren't too keen on women in the military either, or, at best, they should be in administrative positions only. I wasn't surprised when I clicked on the link and saw her name even though, like you, I would expect Jeff Jacoby to be the author of something of this puke worthiness if it is the Globe.

[sniffa]

10. This is the first I've noticed her

I was shocked to see a female wrote this. I expect this sort of crap from men I guess. Jacoby is writing against the need for an Arts Czar so I didn't read it.

:hi:

[jonnyblitz]

16. I haven't seen her around since the Clinton days but I can still

picture her face in my mind. I do believe I have been called homophobic names more by women than men, in regards to your other comment. Perhaps the men chose to do it out of my hearing range but I have encountered some seriously nasty homophobic women in my day. :hi:

[ruggerson]

13. She is a one- woman hate and misinformation campaign

[annabanana]

12. OMG! All these soldiers might get to know some of teh gays

personally!!! They might even like some of them as, gasp... .PEOPLE!!

[Starry Messenger]

14. How does crap like this get published?

The author sounds like a complete loon. I wonder what the author's FR nick is?

[TheWraith]

24. Because the Boston Globe, like most media, values interest over accuracy.

In this case, spinning all sorts of nonsense and conspiraloon rantings is more appealing to a lot of people than a sober-headed assessment of reality.

[izquierdista]

15. If they fear the GAY agenda

Wait until we force the TRANSVESTITE agenda on them! I want to see those DIs take their new recruits on a 10 mile march in 4" stiletto heels! :rofl: :rofl:

[EFerrari]

17. Check out their Board of Directors -- Frank Gaffney, Horowitz, Phyllis Schlafly

http://cmrlink.org/cmrboard.asp

A cavalcade of cr@p!

lol

[Ian David]

19. If the guy in the foxhole next to me has the hots for me, I expect he'd try harder to keep me alive.

[TahitiNut]

32. Believe me, it'd be rare that guys weren't trying as hard as they can already.

In a war zone, guys tend to "not sweat the small stuff" almost without exception. (Sure, there are always exceptions to any 'rule.') When your ass is on the line, that guy alongside you is more important than anyone on earth. The idea of "taking your six" is a profound commitment to another human being, unmatched in any of my other life experiences.

[Ardent15]

20. A friend of mine is a Captain in the Army

He knows many gay people who do their job just as well as anyone else.

The arguments against this are similar to the arguments against desegregation of the armed forces.

[Bluebear]

21. Eggs Blackstone mmmm

[sniffa]

26. It really is the breakfast of the gods

:9

[AlCzervik]

22. OMG diversity training!

is this article satire?

[sniffa]

27. Sadly no

[TheWraith]

23. Yet more anonymous "reports" claiming to know what Obama's thinking.

I would have expected more DUers to know this tune better by now, you've heard it before. Am I the ONLY one who remembers Politico making up out of thin air all that nonsense about DADT being delayed until 2011?

[cliffordu]

25. RE: "Sexual tension of any kind is disruptive....."

Sexual tension???

Does this fucking idiot believe that gay soldiers are sexual predators?

I'm sure the gay and lesbian soldiers who died while serving under the scummy rule of DADT and who now rest 'separate but equal' in their coffins would disagree.

Is HE sexually tense around gay soldiers??

I wish there was a don't ask don't tell policy for assholes.

The gay agenda:

Equality.

Certainly a threat to the security and the safety of the marginally cognizant, the specious intellect, the sexually uncomfortable.

And those who need to hate to validate thier belief system.

[cap]

28. the military WILL be DEVASTATED

if gays join...but not the way you think :)

All those very conservative males will have one of their last bastions torn down... the epitome of the conservative male ethos: strong, silent, macho defender of the nation will be forced to deal with those that they have termed to be less than strong, and less than macho.

It is gonna be rough on the conservative psyche. Real hard on them.

Some may actually come to terms with parts of themselves that they had really not had to deal with. Either closet homosexuality or a certain softness and gentleness than they had not be raised to respect. Maybe they had even joined the military for the wrong reason.

It could be devastating.

[Solly Mack]

29. Center for Military Readiness? LMAO

[BirminghamExaminer]

30. Omg that's hilarious

[underpants]

31. Funny, that's what they said about desegregating the military

and, as usual, they were wrong

[Hello_Kitty]

33. When I was stationed in Japan my roommate was a lesbian

Closeted, of course, but she came out to me and it was never a problem. What IS it with some straight folks that they honestly believe that gay people will be uncontollable with lust around them? Get over yourselves!