Why do Dems get so upset with Dems bashing Dems ?

[blues90]

I am a Democrat but look , no one is perfect and beyond question .

Why should we fall for the lowered bar we have seem to found ourselves judged by ?

What I want is truth , not bills that are a game of lets do this and see what bushs reaction will be .

I question the very idea that many Dems just sat by and allowed the repugs to pass Alberto and Olito and Gates and Roberts , not to mention Condi and Skull man .

Even if they had the minority of vote all voting no would have been a much better choice than to say , they sound ok to me , pass them .

Just how are people to have full faith in the Dems if they allow such an easy pass to criminals and they can't say they didn't know who the criminals are .

So the Dems passed a bill to fund the war but bush has until April 15th to veto this if he desires . It still has to pass the senate and match up .

While this is pending troops are still out in the war zone , so basically this is gambling with lives no matter how you look at it .

If I imagine myself on the battle field this would not make me feel very hopeful because each day could be my last .

Then Sheehan gets dragged through the mud , Kucinich and others don;t feel this bill is a good idea so I guess they should also be dragged through the mud and being simple minded , idealistic and right .

I don't put my faith in many in the house as it stands and have found no solid reason to do this .

[Fresh_Start]

1. Guessing its "united we stand, divided we fall"

the reason the GOP has been able to hold onto power is because they acted en bloc. Dems probably need to act that way until they have adequate control.

[sam sarrha]

2. and were able to get us to divide ourselves...

[Downtown Hound]

18. The GOP lost power after only 12 years

Were it not for election fraud they would have lost it even sooner. I'd argue that acting as a monolithic bloc where dissent and disagreement are not allowed isn't nearly as unifying or stable as it outwardly appears. In fact, more often than not it's the driving force behind any movement's defeat.

[Lobster Martini]

3. Can't improve on this quote from Will Rogers

I can't improve on this quote from Will Rogers: "I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat."

Debate is healthy. It's how you voice your opinion that matters.

[uppityperson]

8. Criticize, debate, don't do personal attacks.

[sendero]

4. That's not what it really is..

... it's when someone is bashing THEIR favorite Dem that folks pull out the unity card.

Whether it be in a government, a company or a political party - the stifling of free discussion and dissent are the kiss of death.

Ignore the "unity bleaters", I do.

[Forkboy]

5. Cha-ching!

it's when someone is bashing THEIR favorite Dem that folks pull out the unity card.

[Deja Q]

6. Same here.

Rational discourse is preferable, but myopic militants aren't worth much of anyone's time unless the circumstance is absolute.

[bahrbearian]

11. Very good.

the Repuks are realizing the Kiss of death, people are falling off the Wagon.

[Trajan]

20. "That's not what it really is" ...

"... it's when someone is bashing THEIR favorite Dem that folks pull out the unity card.
" ....

Um ..... Tell me: Who is MY favorite candidate ?

You don't know ? ....

Perhaps it is because I dont have one candidate in mind .....

Perhaps it is because ALL of the viable Democratic party candidates have a general mindset with which I agree ...

So ... IF I support ALL the Democratic party candidates at this point ... Then when is someone bashing MY candidate ?

Every time .....

Think about it ...

Bashing is one thing .... gratuitous slams are another ....

Some posters I dont even bother to read because I know it is just more excessively negative nonsense .... I love a debate on issues ... but frankly, with all the DEM bashing: I feel Im in a room full of Republicans sometimes ....

Shrugs .... Like you, I am getting used to ignoring it .... I intend to vote for ANY one of them, once they emerge from convention with a nomination ..... But I do wonder how many here will be joining me ... WHO can vote for candidates whom they have mercilessly slammed for over a year running ???? ....

Unity DOES matter ....

[WillyT]

7. Some Fight For What Is Right...

Some fight to win.

Hopefully someday, the two may meet.

:shrug:

[LoZoccolo]

9. Because in feeble minds it starts becoming Naderism.

It doesn't take much for certain people to start thinking irrationally without looking at the big picture and use a few pet issues as an excuse to cast a futile, nay destructive jack-off vote for a third party.

[Forkboy]

10. Speaking of jacking off and pet issues.

[LoZoccolo]

12. Don't make me do it.

Don't make me bring up the "tiny winky theory" again.

[cali]

13. There is a difference between bashing and criticism.

And what Sheehan and Kucinich did was bash indiscriminately, lumping together Progressives and Blue Dogs. And that's what so many others here have been doing.

Not to mention, that it's been a real wake-up call to realize how many people here don't seem to have a clue about the legislative process.

[Miss Chybil]

14. Different Dems come from different districts which have different viewpoints

on different things. Seems to be a logical answer to me.

[Marrah_G]

15. This has been the Anti-Democratic Underground this weekend

Or at least it seems that way. With thread after thread bashing the Dems and blaming them for the war it definitely doesn't feel like a Democratic forum. You talk about Sheehan (not even a dem), Kuchnich, etc getting dragged through the mud, when in fact it was a reaction to their own inital mud-flinging. The way to strengthen a party it not to demonize it and blame it for every problem this country has. It's going to take a long time and alot of hard work to fix this mess. Eating our own does not speed up that process.

[blues90]

17. It appears to me no matter what

If you disagree with a political view or go ahead and down right bash a politician both end up with the same result .

If I said I don't trust or agree at all with Hillarys position I can almost be assured of comments stating I am wrong or bashing her .

There are people who make their stand and have their views and nothing else matters . I have seen this happen many times on this forum .

[laugle]

16. There is a big difference between bashing and personal attacks,

and having a candid, civil dialogue on the pros/cons of an issue or candidate.

Things like equating HRC with a pile of shit/garbage, are not productive and only create alot of bad blood.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

19. They got "upset" when we "bashed" LBJ & Humphrey in the '60s.

Same knee-jerk responses then, "They're not as bad as the Republicans", "We must unite", "Be patient", "They're the good guys", "Practical politics", etc, etc, etc.

Same shit - different war.