Recovery Bill: You can't win a fixed 'game'

[SnoopDog]

Just what are we supposed to do?

The republicans have absolutely destroy our country. We are in Depression. How many more Americans need to loose their jobs? How many more businesses need to shut down? How many more cuts in the budgets can States handle?

Just like FDR and the New Deal - we need freaking JOBS.

Although in the minority, the goddamn republicans are STILL calling the freaking shots. WHY????????

Because the 'game' is rigged. In this case, the rigging is thru the media - the 4th estate. The '4th estate' is nothing more than pure propaganda owned and operated, not by the democrats, not by the republicans - they are owned and operated by the wealthy. And it just so happens that the filthy republican party always is for the wealthy and 'screw the rest of us'. So the media 'sides' with them.

The 'news' always has a pro republican message - more republican Senators and Congresspeople on air and in print, and more air time. And adding insult to injury, the news media ALWAYS casts a negative slant to the Democrats. The ONLY exception is Countdown and Rachel.

You need proof? Our country is dying economically and the 'polls' suggest that Americans are not in favor of the recovery package. The republicans have destroyed this country with their tax cuts for the rich and goddamn it, the recovery package is almost 50 percent tax cuts. PEOPLE DON'T HAVE FREAKING JOBS TO GET A TAX CUT.

And of course, our spineless pansy democratic leaders... maybe we should be called the Spelunking Party - because we are always CAVING IN.

These goddamn republicans took out money for the States - States are in deep trouble and it is not their fault. Sales tax, property tax, and business tax revenues are down because nobody has money to spend. They even took out money for SCHOOLS. Yup, the last thing republicans want are smarter citizens. Who do you think makes up the majority of the republican party? You got it - the IGNORANT.

So, sure, the game is rigged. Democrats, just like FDR, want to create jobs but, the republicans and the media are fighting tooth and nail. Why? You know as well as I do - the republicans can't let the democrats fix the problem - like we ALWAYS do.

So America burns while republicans save face.

How much more of this can we take?

[cilla4progress]

1. Help for workers removed from stimulus

Yes, I would like my "middle class tax cut," please.

[SnoopDog]

2. The middle class tax cut is...

I heard this I think on c-span or msnbc...

"For those making under $70k - you will get $20 extra dollars in your pay check. $140k for married...".

I do not see how $463 billion adds up for middle class tax cuts. And I think we all will benefit if more people are working than to have an extra $20 in your pocket.

[cilla4progress]

3. different numbers

I understood it was $1000 for those under $150K annually. $20 must be weekly.

Agree that more jobs are better, however.

[SnoopDog]

5. Yes you are right...

It is $500/year for singles making $70K and under and $1000 married under $150K (like you said).

[cilla4progress]

8. Sirota piece

Thank you. I just checked out Sirota's piece on this forum. I share his feelings. I am actually a pretty big supporter of taxes, the whole philosophical view of the "commons." It's just a question of whether our money is being spent wisely! It seems Obama now is getting the heat for the last 8 years - and esp. last 3 months - of Republican waste and stupidity. It's a hurdle he needs to overcome. And I'm confident with time and our help he will show the country that the federal government can succeed in making wise and restrained investment that stimulates the economy. In other words, I think his plan will pan out.

[CrispyQ]

9. It's deliberate.

Spend the taxes in a way that pisses people off & they will support tax cuts. The rich are fine with that. They will be able to afford private corporations to fix their roads & sewers, to provide security services, to heal them when they're sick. If you can't afford to pay a private fire fighting company for it's services, then you deserve to have your house burn down if it catches fire. You're a loser.

The greed & selfishness in our society is stunning.

I don't mind paying my taxes either, but I completely agree with Sirota! I'm dodging pot holes in the street while my tax dollars pay some rich CEO a bonus for taking a bank into the toilet.

[cilla4progress]

10. Right on!

You, me, and a bunch of other voters (apparently!)!

[SnoopDog]

4. Another problem our Democratic spokespersons have is...

In my opinion... they don't give better answers to question from the media and they
don't fight fire with fire.

For instance, the republican talking point of $275,000 per job is absolutely incorrect and unjust. You cannot
take $850 billion and divide it by the number of jobs anticipated. There is money for parts and materials (like the transmission lines, cement, lumber) and profit
from buying the fuel efficient cars for example.

Every time a democrat is placed before a microphone - they need to hammer out the truth and counter the republican talking points.

[CrispyQ]

12. The repubs are better at politics & crap at governing.

The dems are better at governing & crap at politics. It's too bad the average American is swayed more easily by politics than governing. I was stunned in '04 that boosh was even close enough for them to steal the vote. In '08, I was even more amazed, that after 8 years of failed policy, 46% of the voting public voted for more of the same. :eyes: :crazy: :eyes: :crazy:

[GiveMeFreedom]

6. Like Nero in Roman Times

Yea, you would think that Joe, trailer park, gapped tooth, shoeless, snake handling, southern, got my pickup on blocks in the front yard, pro life cause we get more welfare, the south really won the civil war, liberals suck, right wing asshole would have lost his job by now and screaming for relief.

Wait!! he did not have a job to loose to begin with and the welfare check keeps coming, so life is as good as its ever gonna get and thank gawd for my republican senator who watches over my welfare check. Phucking retards!!

Is there a way to cause a continental shift in the tectonic plates to separate that appendage called the south from the rest of the US?

[SnoopDog]

7. That's a tad bit biased wouldn't you say...

There were, what, 42 million who voted for Mccain... And I know they are not all from the South.

There are good people everywhere... and those with an opinion that differs from ours...

[GiveMeFreedom]

13. Yes, completely biased, with revisions for your approval.

Yes, I would say that it's completely biased. I agree there are good people some where on the planet, but in the republican party no. They stand for everything that I disagree with and have made the rich richer, the poor poorer and have tried to wipe out a middle class that's the very backbone of the US economy. I do not believe that total state control is the answer, but total corporate control is out of the question and because of the Reagan-nomics instituted in the 80's and so lovingly embraced by the rich, look where we are now. Bush and company have hurt this country and I believe that Mr. Cheney should be in prison for treason against the US, (Plame, CIA),also his political witch hunting of federal prosecutors and the list goes on, (even shooting a guy in the face with a shotgun?). The stereo-typical biased view of the uneducated southerner I professed is a word exercise in descriptive venting for me and if it offended you, I apologize, but never will I forgive bush, cheney, rice, brownie, rumsfeld and the vast right wing agenda that has destroyed this country's liberties, freedoms, and integrity. Oh, did I mention limbaugh? what a windbag that fucker is!

[snot]

11. WORK FOR MEDIA REFORM

I've posted about this time and again -- the only issue more impt. is election reform -- these determine everything else.