Time for DU SEARCH! Both Howard Dean & Jimmy Carter Live in Very Modest Houses.

[KoKo]

Maybe Howard Dean and his family have moved from their house in Vermont which was nice and modest and looked kind of "70's" since he became DNC Chair...but it hasn't been reported by the RW Repugs that he moved into an ESTATE so...gotta figure he's still in the same house.

Jimmy Carter was on C-Span just a few weeks ago where they visited him for an interview about his "NEW BOOK." (I won't mention the BOOK...just so I don't get thrown to the "I/P Forum" here on DU.

Anyway, C-Span showed photos of the Carter House in Plains Georgia where he STILL LIVES and it was VERY MODEST with also a look of the "70"s about it. They showed him in his "woodshop" in the Garage where he makes "furniture" for his kids and cradles for his grandkids and it's where he goes to "relax" and get away from it all.

I wonder if DU'ers who can use "Google Earth" could go and view BOTH the Howard Dean and Jimmy Carter Homes could POST about what their houses look like?

It might be useful to many of us. I know...the old expression of "Clothes Don't Make the Man" might ring true here...but...it's something we Dems might need to research. IOWD's "Does the HOUSE MAKE THE MAN/Woman?" and what should we think about this? :shrug:

BTW ...we might want to "Google Earth" Hillary's Compound in Chappaqua, NY...to see what that looks like ,too.

[Debi]

1. Is there a specific size and location of a house that disqalifies a person

from being a Democrat? I need to know so I can go home and measure to ensure I'm in the right Party :eyes:

[cynatnite]

4. I was wondering if we should move back to that crappy...

rotten trailer we lived in a few years ago so I can still be a democrat.

[Debi]

8. Although our home is smaller we own 12 acres of beautiful wetland

with woods bordering our property. We don't allow hunting on our land and in fact connected to our property is a County owned wetland preserve.

But the fact that I own 12 acres and don't use it as an income source may get me booted x(

[july302001]

42. Why, no...

Of course not!!! You're doing the right thing with that land!

Those digs of Edwards' aren't built in an environmentally sensitive manner.

It's NOT the money we're talking about. It's the "me-first" attitude and the lack of leadership. Edwards *should* spend the bucks on a nice place - just not something larger than every CEO in this state has.

And, he should have spent a bunch on environmentally conscious features like south-facing windows.

If the leaders would only lead by example....

[hashibabba]

68. Really? And how did you know that information? From looking at the picture?

"Those digs of Edwards' aren't built in an environmentally sensitive manner."

He probably doesn't give enough money for the poor, either. Tell me, how much was it again?

These threads are really pissing me off. It's time to go watch TV.

[Cleita]

45. I always preferred land to living space.

I could be happy in a trailer surrounded by lots of acres of wilderness. I wouldn't thank you to be locked up all day in a McMansion. Actually, I do have a trailer on my family's two and a half acre property and we are surrounded by rural landscape so it's second best and I have enough space to garden. Their house is a small three bedroom too, which is enough for them. They too prefer developing the outdoor gardens as well. I don't like housework that much so small is good for me so I can spend most of my time outdoors with the dogs.

[northofdenali]

54. Cleita, I am with you -

small is definitely better for me, as long as I have the wild land around me and enough room for my garden and kitties to play (fenced in, of course).

The cabin my husband and I have designed is less than 1000 sf and we're hoping to build in the next couple of years, making it as environmentally sound as is possible in our climate.

My best friend, however, grew up in a small, small house and now has a (mid-sized) McMansion - but it, too, is pretty sound environmentally, with solar, a solar greenhouse, etc. I don't begrudge her the "dream house" but I wouldn't want it. As long as you're responsible, ethical and Dem, live wherever you want!

[Cleita]

64. Hey there.

:hi: I haven't seen you around in awhile or maybe we visit different forums. Your cabin sounds like my bygone dream of yesteryear.

[northofdenali]

69. I've been dreaming of this cabin for a long, long time -

been dinking around with floorplans, saving info on alt-energy and ecosound building, etc. - I have to clean the stash out about once a year, because there's just so MUCH out there any more. The biggest problem is finding climate-oriented material; the University has a bunch, thank heavens, because trying to build in a very cold, arid, tundra-area climate is not easy!

I've been around, I guess DU has gotten so big it's not hard to miss old friends!! :hug:

[blondeatlast]

5. I'm closing on a 2300 sq. footer next week and putting in a pool.

I'm living in fear of a tombstone.

[Debi]

10. You could fit an entire third grade class in that size of house

:grr: How Dare You???

[blondeatlast]

18. What's the dress code for the drumming out ceremony?

I promise all natural fabrics and muted colors.

[Horse with no Name]

82. Your pool will contribute to the humidity

thus making global warming happen faster.
You ought to rethink that...you shouldn't want to recreate in our natural resources.
You should rethink baths too....;)

[blondeatlast]

84. I sacrificed the master bath for the pool, but the kid needs indoor plumbing.

Oh, yes, indeedy he does! :rofl:

[Cleita]

6. They're making a big deal out of John Edwards new house.

I see nothing wrong with enjoying your wealth as long as it wasn't obtained on the backs of the poor and underprivileged. Since Edwards made a practice of helping the poor and underprivileged, I don't believe that is the case here.

[Debi]

14. As long as they are living within their means and paying all their bills

and taxes and following all the rules of society - WHO CARES???

I'm not a fan of McMansions, but they are not illegal. And I'm not going to make my choice for nominee based on the size of their home. :eyes:

[Cleita]

2. Hillary I believe also has a nice upper scale house in

Georgetown too, for when she's in Washington. Personally, I don't care what they live in as long as they came by the property honestly and don't keep slaves to look after it.

[Reterr]

15. Two words: environmental impact-not that difficult a concept. NT

[Cleita]

21. So tell me what should a person of her and Bill's status live in?

How do you know she doesn't practice environmentalism? Many rich people have homes that are ecologically constructed, even Bush's Crawford ranch was constructed to be environmentally friendly.

[kskiska]

3. Clinton House in Chappaqua

It's a Dutch colonial, average for upscale Westchester County. I drove by just after the sale was announced, before it was guarded. It's at the end of a dead-end street.

[KoKo]

32. Thanks for the Photo of Hillary/Bill's House ..it jives with my old memories

if what "expensive" houses in Chappaqua,NY looked like when I lived in the NorthEast about 15 years ago!

In that time REAL ESTATE has MULTIPLIED beyond anything I could have imagined or that we could have afforded. But, the Clinton's Estate looks very "contained" for the over a couple of Mil they might have bought it for. No ancillary buildings and no "frou Fah?" :shrug:

[kskiska]

49. I left the area about the same time you did

My 86-yr.-old father has a 4-room Cape Cod on 1/4 acre in Fairfield County, CT, that he bought for way under $5,000-$10,000 right after WWII. Today it's worth at least $250,000.

[KoKo]

56. Yeah...I lived in Fairfield County, too...

Amazing isn't it.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

87. I didn't see your post and posted lower down about the Clinton's home. I saw it

several years ago from the street. My ex-in-laws lived in Chappaqua aoout 5 minutes from the Clintons. It is a lovely house and actually modest in my opinion for the area. I couldn't get over that it was on a cul-de-sac, and it was funny to see a secret service minivan hanging out in the driveway.

[Little Wing]

7. You're falling into their trap

It's non-information, not even dis-information.

If you Google Maps/Earth Cheney's place in Wyoming it will be blacked out, same as Bush's so-called "Ranch".

If you Google Maps/Earth Tom Delay's place, you'll probably find a rather nice estate. Same with Gingrich, and Guiliani.

Don't fall into their trap. If you bring up any of the names I listed above you'll just get told by the media that obvioulsy worked hard to get where they are. Whereas Edwards is obviously either

A) another big money Democrat
B) got where he is chasing ambulances

You can't win on this subject, focus on POLICY. Bush has given the Dems enough policy to win on for decades.

edit to correct where Cheney lives - not that it makes much of a difference

[Debi]

16. Cheney is in Wyoming

I only point that out b/c I'm originally from Montana and It's bad enough having to claim Conrad Burns x(

[blondeatlast]

19. But now you can claim Jon Tester--very cool.

I used to live in the Boulder Valley in MT--what an incredibly beautiful area.

[Debi]

88. I lived in Bozeman...right outside of Bridger Bowl

Absolutely beautiful!

[Little Wing]

20. Okay, fine, Wyoming, you got me there

Still, look it up.

[sandnsea]

9. Who lives in a shipping container

I'm voting for that guy.

:eyes:

[Cleita]

13. Actually maybe we should go to the local trailer park to find

our next new President. I hope that is modest enough for most Democrats.

[sandnsea]

22. Seriously, shipping containers

It's the latest thing in poverty housing.

http://www.shipping-container-housing.com/shipping-container-houses.html

[Cleita]

25. Maybe it's not such a bad idea. If you can convert a bus

into a motorhome, I guess a shipping container could be converted into some kind of livable shelter.

So should we demand that all our politicians live in converted shipping containers to have credibility?

[sandnsea]

31. It was a joke

In response to your trailer house joke. I did not know if you knew there really is shipping container housing.

Although living in shipping containers would be a step backward, like living in railroad cars. We were supposed to be moving away from that kind of poverty. Guess not.

[Cleita]

33. I know it was a joke but you got me thinking that maybe

we need to explore different kinds of housing to solve the homeless program.

:shrug:

[sandnsea]

37. Maybe John & Elizabeth Edwards can try it out

Work out all the bugs and kinks. If it's good enough for them, then the rest of us can try it on for size.

[Cleita]

41. Yes, evidently anything more ostentatious is unacceptable for them.

:sarcasm:

[sandnsea]

43. A shipping container not good enough??

Obviously I don't give a crap about their house or I wouldn't have suggested we only pick candidates who live in shipping containers. That doesn't mean, however, that I think a shipping container is adequate housing for anybody, except perhaps 30 day emergency disaster shelter.

[Cleita]

51. You have to look at it in perspective. A tent would be preferable

to sleeping in a doorway or park bench. A shipping container or abandoned railway car would be preferable to sleeping in a tent.

The problem with both solutions is sanitation, but if Andy Gumps and water were provided, it would help people who have nothing to get out of the elements temporarily and to be safer if they could lock it.

Let's face it your average trailer is really an aluminum tube that has been outfitted like a cabin cruiser with bathroom facilities, built in furnishings and a galley. I can't see why other abandoned solid, cubical structures couldn't be outfitted similarly as a temporary fix for a problem people don't want to look at.

[sandnsea]

55. Boxcar Living! Woohoo!!

Sorry I don't share your enthusiasm. I bet if you actually had to live in one, you wouldn't either.

Do you not understand this is the kind of living housing projects were built to solve??

[Cleita]

60. I have so many ideas as how to end this homeless problem

and many of them are long range, but in the meantime we have short term problems like men with cancer dying in fields because they have no place to live or access to health care that would let them die in a hospital. There are working families living in their cars. I know you hate the boxcar thing and so do I really.

I would like to see laws passed so that the hundred or so hotels, inns and motels in my county would be required to set aside ten percent of their rooms to house the homeless, getting paid of course. But we would have to get our county supervisors to pass a law to that effect and then find the funding to do it.

The main problem with tent cities is that no one wants to look at them, but these people need a place to call home, place with a bed, bathroom facilities and a lock so that they can keep their things there. No one wants to help them do this.

[sandnsea]

63. I understand your concern

Mine is that once we accept anybody living in a shipping container, it's only a matter of time before the working poor will be expected to live in a shipping container. Third World. Super rich and super poor.

You've posted in the poverty forum I think. Do you remember the article about the cop in Reno who believes the solution is to actually just put the homeless in apartments because once that main issue is resolved, they can gain the emotional strength to tackle the rest of their issues. I think we need to form a coalition behind that very simple idea. It's cheaper to just solve the problem directly than to continue to nibble around the edges.

[Cleita]

66. Yes, I believe so.

But nobody really wants to address the problem with the homeless. They don't realize that but for the grace of god, it could be them. Many people have the attitude that they brought it on themselves and that it's their fault.

We need to raise property taxes on mansions, second homes and vacation homes to make this kind of consumption swallowing up available real estate less frequent. Then we need to use the money to get families into apartments and single homeless into at least hotel or motel rooms with weekly or monthly rentals until they can pull their lives together.

[sandnsea]

59. 1929 boxcar living

http://historytogo.utah.gov/utah_chapters/from_war_to_war/boxcarsandsectionhouses.html

[KoKo]

36. Did you miss the DU posts about HOMELESS living in Shipping Containers?

It's a REALITY. They are sturdy..been across the Pacific from China to Here and made from sturdy wood and are being Scapped Up by our Homeless who are out on the Streets because of Credit Card Debt, Mental Illness, War, or NO FAMILY or Friends. :-(

Living in a Chinese Shipping Container...just might be preferable to many. :shrug: AND..They are "PET FIRENDLY."

[sandnsea]

39. I think it's psychotic

Yes I have, which is why I posted it. I think it's disgusting and a sad sad statement on how people really feel about the least among us.

[Bluzmann57]

11. Am I missing something here?

What difference does it make what size a person's house is as to whether he/she is a Democrat? Personally, if I could afford it, I'd like to have a house with a nine hole golf course and a seven car garage. But I can't afford that so I don't. And I'm a Dem, whether the house is big or small or somewhere in between. And so are Dean and President Carter. Please explain your point. I'm an idiot I guess.

[KoKo]

17. Yes...you don't want to do Research to see the difference..you just want

to "kill the messenger." :shrug:

[Bluzmann57]

24. Huh?

What are you talking about? I really don't understand what difference the size of one's house has to do with being a Democrat. So how is that "killing the messenger"?

[Lex]

27. LOL!

Do you hear the "Twilight Zone" theme song, or is it just me?

[KoKo]

29. Here's what I'm getting at! You have to know where a Person has Been to Know Where They are Going!

That's kind of always been what I base my VOTE ON. Maybe it doesn't MATTER ANYMORE where someone has been and what they've done and their past to be PRESIDENT!

BUT...we have PEOPLE IN POWER TODAY...that WE DIDN'T EXAMINE ENOUGH! Now...does that mean that WE and DEM PARTISANS suddenly GIVE UP...ASKING QUESTIONS! Why Shouldn't we ASK QUESTIONS?

[Debi]

89. Before you go attacking the poster, do you know anything about him?

Do you know how he lives or donates his time or makes his money? He asked a question, there was no reason to yell. Just because someone doesn't understand your passion or your reasoning doesn't make them wrong, nor does it give you the right to chastise them.

Have you asked yourself where John Edwards came from? He wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth, he has every right to enjoy the fruits of his labors. If you think he doesn't care about others, don't vote for him. Fine to express your opinion, but not too cool to yell at other DUers just because they asked 'why?'.

[Reterr]

12. Ack you did it-all the libertarians are gonna be swarming this thread

Seriously this country is so conservative, even the "progressives" here would be conservatives in another country.

Considerations of environmental impact, frugality, thinking about the planet etc. are concepts so outside of the thought processes of even "liberal" Americans its nuts :wow:...

"I am American-I can shit all over this planet.. Its my birthright dammit.."

Good luck to ya and a k&r ..I am off..

Libertarians make my head hurt.

[Raydawg1234]

23. Life sucks and then you die...Build the biggest house you can afford!

I don't know about you, but I want to enjoy my life.

[KoKo]

53. You are not wrong in what you say...I'd like to "give it all UP" and go with you...

but I worry about those who can't...who don't have resources to be so dismissive of all the problems we as a society in America (the NEW ENLIGHTENMENT EXPERIMENT) are facing these days. I want to believe that we killed all the Native Americans when we "Immigrants" invaded this NEW LAND for a PURPOSE...and like George Bush I now see that "Invading People" has a PRICE to PAY..down the ROAD.

BUt...I want to believe that our CONSTITUTION was a NEW START...but also know we here in AMERICA are just a BLIP on the RADAR down through the CENTURIES. AMERICAN EMPIRE is on the SKIDS....

Some of us ..are maybe just trying to save the IDEAL..but the IDEAL might be as FAULTY as our IRAQ INVASION...WHEN we IMMIGRANTS go INVADING AND OCCUPYING...aren't we the same as the EMPIRES we ESCAPED to come here to the NEW AMERICA? :shrug: I weep for my immigrant ancestors. They came here for HOPE and they got BUSH! :puke:

[Raydawg1234]

74. who says that you can't do both? You can't enjoy life and try to make the world better

at the same time?

[KoKo]

80. One has to have CREDIBILITY...to walk the walk to talk the talk...

If one sets oneself up as a "Two America's Candidate." Yep...there definitely are TWO Americas...one has a 20,600 sq.foot home...and others live in Chinese Shipping Containers.

Maybe John Edwards does have a good point. How do we get from a Chinese Shipping Container to the White House?

Maybe that's the point.

[Raydawg1234]

81. What do you mean walk the walk? Do you think he should live in a cardboard box?

[Lex]

26. And this is IMPORTANT why exactly?

Are you looking for something in particular?

[terrya]

28. I've seen a picture of Carter's home.

I think he could be described as having a "comfortable" life, financially. It's a nice home, but it's no Kennebunkport compound, that's for sure.

I think it proves that the Carters don't place making piles of money as their main priority...unlike some former Republican Presidents I could mention.

[KoKo]

34. THANK YOU! THANK YOU! That's what my post was trying to GET AT!

but instead folks think I'm promoting "Freeper Values" and not worthy of listening to. :-(

[Raydawg1234]

30. So the ideal candidate would, what?.........live in a tepee?

[sandnsea]

40. Sshhh,

somebody will think that's a good idea for the poor too.

[KoKo]

44. The "Ideal Candidate" would have some "Political Savvy" and some

"Discretion" to know you can't run around America and the World screaming "Two Americas" and "Poverty" is my "Main Cause" and then build a 20,600 Sq Foot COMPOUND...with TWO THEATERS, RECREATION and a GUARD TOWER and not have "some folks Question." And those "some folks" not all be from the "opposition Party."


:shrug:

[mondo joe]

50. Political savvy? Excuse me - have you BEEN to America?

Americans love big spenders.

Besides - the problem with the Two America's isn't that we need to make everyone poor.

[Raydawg1234]

What, rich people can't sympathize with the poor? Do you hate people just because

they have more money than you.

[KoKo]

57. You believe that "Class Thingy" the RW keeps Promoting? n/t

[mondo joe]

95. It's posters like you that fuel the "class thingy". NT

[DefenseLawyer]

35. I think FDR had some pretty decent digs

I always thought he was a pretty good Democrat. Shows what I know.

[KoKo]

38. Yes..."Hyde Park," NY.....You can Google and do a Tour...it's

incredible to go there and see and FEEL the HISTORY!

[ScreamingMeemie]

46. Oops!

oops wrong spot.

[KoKo]

48. So...what's the difference between FDR and John Kerry, then?

Do you even know where Roosevelts got their money compared to John Edwards? Do you know the educational differences and the TIME FRAME of what you are Posting? :shrug:

[ScreamingMeemie]

47. Funny how people can hold Brad and Angelina

(for all of their many lavish splurges...think body guards, private jets, posh apartments, huge homes blah...blah...blah) in such high regard and yet diss on Edwards. I couldn't care less what he lives in...if he keeps his promises.

Disclaimer: Not directed at the OP, I just don't want to start another thread on this non issue.

[KoKo]

58. Should we compare "Brad and Angiline" with John and Elizabeth?"

That's really what I'm asking, here. Should we?

[ScreamingMeemie]

75. I think we should keep our noses in our own personal business...

That's what I'm saying here. We should.

[XemaSab]

52. Here's an old verbal description

Dean looks at his watch; he has to interrupt our interview to meet his 17-year-old son, Paul, at home to help shovel snow off the backyard ice-hockey practice rink. Inviting me along, he jokes that his car is “not very presidential”-a rusted-out 1989 Chevy Blazer-and that his home is not grand, either. “Judy and I don’t care much about material things,” he says. The Deans have a net worth of $4 million, according to tax returns: He says he received $25,000 from his father at age 21 and made the rest through work, prudent investments, and frugal living. Driving along the icy streets, he expresses pride that his wife has maintained her own life as an internist, even doing house calls, opting out of the role of pol’s wife. Unlike the wives of his rivals, “She’s not going to campaign for me,” he says. As we pull up in front of his tan two-story modern home, he casually mentions that since the once-a-week housekeeper comes on Thursday and this is a Monday, the place is a bit of a mess: “None of us is big on housekeeping.”



Sure enough, the place looks like it’s been ransacked. The garage is a jumble of bicycles, camping equipment, old campaign signs, and tools. Following Dean into the ground-floor rec room, I have to step carefully over an army of L.L. Bean boots, boxes of books and papers from the governor’s office, and Dean’s half-filled suitcase, dropped haphazardly the night before on his return from a weekend in Iowa. “I never bother to unpack anymore,” he says.



He leads me up the stairs, covered with ripped ancient green shag carpet, to the sunny living area, with a soaring A-frame ceiling. He makes me a cup of herbal tea and introduces his gray three-legged cat, Katie (she had cancer). Excusing himself to join his son outside, Dean is half out of the room when he turns to say, “Feel free to look around.”



This is such an astonishing offer from a man running for president that I toss it back at him: “You mean, look in the medicine cabinets and open the drawers?” Dean looks startled for a second, then grins and says, “I have no secrets.” And then he leaves.



Ah, the tyranny of being trusted. I wonder for a second what Matt Drudge would do, but limit myself to inspecting things that are easily visible. It’s a much-lived-in house, with an Oriental rug, a white couch and wing chair that need reupholstering, a chess set, and framed pictures on every flat surface showing the athletic Dean foursome (daughter Anne is a freshman at Yale) in outdoorsy activities that would look at home in a Ralph Lauren catalogue. A menorah is perched on a living-room shelf: Dean was baptized Catholic (as was his mother), was raised Episcopalian (his father’s denomination), and became a Congregationalist (“I don’t go to church a lot, but I pray at night”). But because Judaism is important to his wife, the family celebrates Jewish holidays and the kids consider themselves Jewish. The cat rubs my leg, a silent chaperone, as I head downstairs to the ground floor. Dean’s office is filled with mementos, including two beat-up guitars (he serenaded legislators with “On the Road Again” at a party last year, an in-your-face response to complaints he was away too much). A certificate from Yale’s Pierson College hangs on the wall. He was a freshman in 1967, when George W. Bush was a senior, but the two didn’t know each other. Still, there is a family connection: Bush’s grandmother was a bridesmaid at the wedding of Dean’s grandmother.

oops: http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/politics/national/n_8376/

[KoKo]

62. Thanks! This is how the Dean's LIVE! and it's WORTH A READ!

And, to be "FAIR." The Edwards lived like that before they embarked on their "Compound/Ranch" in Orange County..outside of Chapel Hill, NC.

When they lived in Raleigh they probably had all that stuff in their garage...when their Son, Wade, who died in the terrible accident in his Jeep going to Wrightsville Beach and their daughter were the only two kids they had.

The Edwards morphed into Elizabeth having TWO NEW KIDS after the death...and she was in her very late 40's and they now have NEW FAMILY and NEW OBLIGATIONS. I understand that...We can ALL MORPH ...but some of us can do it better with MONEY...than others who have NO MONEY to MORPH after a TRAGEDY!

It's the HYPOCRACY....:-(

[Debi]

93. Oh my God, are you actually judging the family for how they handled

the death of their son and their choice to have children after they grieved?

Are you sure you just don't like John Edwards and don't want him to be the Democratic nominee and will find any reason to push whatever emotional buttons in other posters to keep them from supporting him as well?

[Debi]

92. What? House keeper?? Oriental rug???

Chess set???

pure snobbery.

:sarcasm:

[XemaSab]

61. Here is Jimmy Carter's house:

[LibraLiz1973]

79. What a crap hole.

The squatters on the lawn are a nice touch

[mondo joe]

65. Don't forget to look at Ted Kennedy's shack, or John Kerry's studio apartment.

:eyes:

[XemaSab]

67. Air photo of Al Gore's house

http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/download.php?Number=543435

[XemaSab]

70. I hit the jackpot!

:bounce:

http://www.boston.com/realestate/galleries/pres_res/1.html

[Cameron27]

73. Holy moly

that's mighty fine searchin' pardner!

I love DU :-)

[kimsterdemster]

71. I've been reading these theads...

30,000 s.f., that's bigger than our local Walmart, unless he is planning on taking in some foster kids (or Something), I think it's gross, turns me off. I feel this way about other people, like Oprah, she did a special on the African diamond industry, she didn't wear her 5 carat each earrings that day.

I think of the movie Shindler's List when it comes to these overly wealthly people.

." Seeing his luxurious car, Schindler is consumed with guilt, realizing he could have bribed Göth for ten more Jews with it. He pulls the Nazi Party pin from his lapel, and cries, "This pin. Two people. This is gold. Two more people. He would have given me two for it, at least one. One more person.

[hashibabba]

72. The actual house itself is 10,000 sq. ft., not 30,000 sq. ft.

[XemaSab]

78. How do you figure?

Just because the red structure is a sports/entertainment complex, that doesn't make it part of the house?

Many people have TV rooms or home gyms, so should those rooms not be counted in the square footage of the house? :shrug:

[hashibabba]

94. So a pool and a racquetball court count as sq. ft. of my house? I don't

think so.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

76. Chalk Me Up As A Member Of The "Who The Fuck Really Cares" Club.

Let 'em live in whatever houses they want. Be it big, small, modest, cardboard, marble, who gives a shit?

[Buzz Clik]

90. Hear, hear! What a phenomenal waste of time.

[LibraLiz1973]

77. My house is worth just less than 500k

I guess I should go register republican?

:spank:

[Manifestor_of_Light]

83. I know several Dems in large houses

Heck, I know a couple whose kids are grown and they just this past summer moved into a 5400 sq. ft. home, and they are loyal Democrats. They also have a lake house.


:shrug:

[retread]

85. The exterior and interior of my candidate's estate!

[blondeatlast]

96. Your candidate is 100% grade A liberal pure...

But that grooming issue may be an electability problem.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

86. I have seen the Clinton's home from the street and it is maybe 50 ft. from the curb and modest.

It's on an ordinary cul-de-sac. The price in all honesty would not be modest, probably pver a couple of million because Chappaqua is very expensive.

[MilesColtrane]

91. These guys are Democratic Presidential timber.

Too bad they're foreigners.

3: When I was young, we used to live in a house with big holes in the roof.
#2: You had a house? You were lucky! We used to live in a bottle cap, 23 of us in the middle of the ocean.
#3: Well, I say it was a house, actually it was a room – all 36 of us, and we had only half a floor. We had a big hole in the middle of the floor, and we used to huddle next to the wall for fear we would fall in.
#1: You were lucky! We used to live in a hallway.
#2: Well, you were lucky! We used to live in an abandoned septic tank in the middle of the garbage dump.
#1: You lived in a septic tank? You were lucky! We lived in a paper sack in the bottom of a toxic waste dump. Every morning we would awaken to nuclear waste being dumped on us until we glowed.
#3: Actually, the house I was telling you about was no more than a hole in the ground, covered with twigs.
#2: Well, you were lucky! We were evicted from our hole. We had to live in the bottom of the lake.
#1: You were lucky to live in the bottom of a lake. There were 150 of us living in a shoebox in the middle of a road. We dreamed of living in a lake.
#3: You were lucky to live in a shoebox. We lived in a brown paper bag. All 300 of us! Got up at 6 a.m., ate a crust of stale bread and worked in the mills for 12 hours. When we got home, Dad would beat us and put us to bed with no dinner.
#1: Well you were lucky! We used to get up at 3 a.m., strain the lake clean with our teeth, eat a cup of hot gravel, work 15 hours at the mill and when we got home our dad would beat us about the head and shoulders with a broken beer bottle and use us for kitty litter.
#2: We dreamed of that! We used to live in a rusty tin can in the middle of the road. One hour after sunset we would clean the road with our tongues, eat a handful of cold gravel and work 20 hours at the mill with no pay! When we got home, our dad would cut us up with a dull ginsu knife and use us for cheese fondue.
#1: Well, you were lucky! That was luxury. We used to get up in the morning at 10 at night – which was half an hour before we went to bed – eat a hunk of dry poison, work 29 hours a day at the mill and when we got home our parents would kill us and dance around our grave singing “Glory, Glory, Hallelujah."