Grandma blasts octuplet mom: "Nadya's not capable."

[kskiska]

"The truth is Nadya's not capable of raising 14 children."


A RadarOnline.com reporter visited the Suleman house and described it as “filthy” with food on the walls.

The mother of the woman who gave birth to octuplets recently is speaking exclusively to RadarOnline.com and says her daughter's actions are "unconscionable."

(snip)

Nadya lives with Angela, a retired teacher, and Angela says Nadya contributes no money to the support of her own children. Eight people - soon to be 16 - are cramped into a small three-bedroom house and fed in shifts.

RadarOnline.com obtained exclusive photos inside the house, photos that are bound to raise more questions about Nadya's ability to care for so many children and a RadarOnline.com reporter described the interior as "filthy", with food on the walls.

"How she's going to cope, I don't know," Angela told RadarOnline.com about her daughter. "I'm really tired of taking care of the six children and need her to think about how she'll provide for all these children."

Angela told RadarOnline.com that Nadya turned her boyfriend into a sperm donor for all 14 kids, but refused to marry him. "He was in love with her and wanted to marry her," said Angela. "But Nadya wanted to have children on her own."

more…
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/

AP article:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ilIx-PXnXPpwF1a_nlRYF00fzBIQD967SLOG0

[Sultana]

1. Oh Lord

:crazy:

[madaboutharry]

75. My thoughts exactly.

n/t

[bkkyosemite]

2. I believe this young lady is mentally ill and the children are in a bad situation.

[RiverStone]

10. Yep. And if that pic reflects reality, she will not be allowed to keep 14 in that mess...

You and I will likely be paying for some of her kids care for the next 18 years.

It seems the woman has a psychiatric disability, which affects her either a little or a lot - depending on the moment.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

14. Most of the kids I see live in conditions far worse than in the pictures.

[RiverStone]

17. 14 of them....with a mother who has no income?

And at least 8 the children will have special needs.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

18. I see single moms with 5 and 6 kids living in conditions far worse than that in the picture.

Of course that's in the projects so maybe people don't care as much.

David

[RiverStone]

20. Both examples reflect poor choices and a lack of resources

And all the children are equally deserving of assistance.

It's the adults who made the bad choices here. Birth control (or choosing not to get 8 embryos implanted) would be a wise choice if one was living in a sketchy situation which may make caring for said children (or more childen) difficult.

It's called personal responsibility!

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

21. I agree.

[acmavm]

36. So? That means what in relation to this situation? Because some

bad housing conditions in the 'projects' get over looked because they're the 'projects' that's a clear sign to you that we should give this psycho breeding fool a pass????????

[roguevalley]

86. apples and oranges arguments always arise. annoys me too.

[acmavm]

92. Like one set of horrid circumstances mitigates the other. Sheesh! By

the way, is the Billiken Drive-In still there? I'm sure it isn't but every spring I was nostalgic for the Billiken where you had to sit through hard core porn to see Paint Your Wagon.

That place was crazy!

[roguevalley]

97. bwahahahaha! I will look. :-D Hugs!

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

105. Who said anything about giving her a pass?

I was just relating my personal experience about what DHS in my county sees as unfit.

David

[Marrah_G]

39. 6 with the addition of 8 newborns is a WHOLE different thing

Just the 8 newborns at one time is hellish on a family. Add in 6 under the age of 7, including a set of 2 year old twins AND an autistic child.....this is a disaster of monumental proportions for these children.

[TexasObserver]

63. Agreed. We wouldn't allow DOGS to be raised this way.

These kids will end up raising themselves.

[tridim]

87. And those self-raised kids will be having their own self-raised kids in 18 years.

Their Mother is a horrible person. I don't give a crap how that makes me sound, she's an idiot.

I believe what she's doing should be illegal.

[LisaL]

43. Even those conditions are what Nadya's mother is able to accomplish.

Think about what conditions Nadya herself would be able to provide, considering, according to the grandma, Nadya is not paying the bills?

[grace0418]

99. Yes, but these photos are the conditions without the octuplets as part of the picture.

Once those 8 babies are added to the mix, I think it will get far worse. Especially considering that 8 premature infants all the same age are going to require far more care than 8 kids of different ages would require. The whole thing is a mess.

[roguevalley]

85. This is horrible but not unexpected. Her interview showed me

a few screws were loose. Her face has been carved up, not exactly a sign that you feel good inside your own skin. Her parents bought her this house and went belly up afterward, so they are all together here. SHe said her family was disfunctional, the girl did. Well, maybe so but her parents at least supported her as they do now.

This is a travesty and I fear for those kids who are going to need HUGE care and help in developmental issues that always come with super twins.
This woman is nuts. However, a buncha people on other threads dismiss that cleaving to more libertarian ideas that people can do this without a plan or resources to make things work.

I can go to jail for having fourteen dogs in my house and she gets to do this? Amazing how our country works sometimes.

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[JI7]

4. to be fair to the mother

she did not intend for them to live there. she thought she would get some tv, book etc deals and make enough money to hire help and be given things for free .

[adamuu]

5. hehe... yeah the problem was the "rollout."

where have i heard that before?

[Control-Z]

27. You forgot

the sarcasm smiley.

[hlthe2b]

29. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

God... there are no words.... :eyes:

[LynneSin]

66. This is why the Fertility industry has guidelines as to how many eggs to implant

and Six is about 3-4 eggs more than what reputable fertility doctors will implant.

From what I've read about this issue, Fertility doctors have their own governing society and those doctors who do not meet those standards can lose their ability to get insurance to cover their costs.

[marshall]

73. Guidelines that aren't enforced

European countries have strict LAWS that govern such things, but the US approaches laws about reproduction very carefully. So far there is nothing beyond strong recommendations.

[roguevalley]

88. wishful thinking, dream thinking. how many horrible situations have

been borne out of this kind of insanity?

[XemaSab]

6. .

:popcorn:

[fortyfeetunder]

7. Sad when a momma turns on her daughter publicly

this story sounds messier but the mom turning on her daughter -- when there were opportunities to get her help -- sounds sad and bizarre.

[JI7]

8. how is allowing your daughter in her 30s with 6 kids to live in your small home

turning on her ?

[Why Syzygy]

9. She sounds scared.

Who wouldn't be?

[Liberal_in_LA]

12. People say things they regret later when the TV folks put the mic in their face.

[Hekate]

23. Sorry, fortyfeet, but if I were Grandma Suleman I would swim away from that sinking ship...

... as fast as I could. You notice that grandpa already escaped to another country "to earn money" --ha!

Grandma has already gone above and beyond the call of duty in taking care of the SIX kids already born, all of them under the age of seven years. That is a helluva load for any woman, much less one approximately 60 years old.

Here's the deal: her daughter is mentally unstable and has been for years, based on the evidence. What dear Nadya is doing is NOT rational, nor is it in any way good for her children -- and she effing did it on purpose. Grandma sticking around to continue being an enabler is NOT going to help. How in God's name is this lady supposed to take care of 6 emotionally needy children and another 8 fragile infants when their biological mother has her head in Cloud-Cuckoo Land?

I interpret grandma's utterances as a classic cry for help. How many people are actually lining up to help grandma? One person here said she "threw her daughter under the bus." Horse-hockey. Sweet Nadya threw her mother under the bus and ran back and forth over her about 14 times.

All I can do is pray that someone from Child Protective Services steps in to provide that family with some intervention and other services. Meantime, I am not going to criticize Grandma Suleman for crying for help as best she can. If and when one of those fragile babies dies, blame and the cops will come pouring in. If CPS can prevent a foreseeable disaster, I hope they will try.

Hekate

[newfie11]

32. I totally agree! n/t

[adamuu]

46. i hope this doesn't end with a bunch of dead babies.

"god told me to do it"
and all that

[Marrah_G]

49. I feel so badly for Grandma and Grandpa and the kids....

I hope nothing happens to her husband in Iraq. I am sure he went there because it was the only way for him to make enough to support all those kids.

[dugaresa]

54. you said it better than me

grandma loves her daughter which is why she has been there all along, but she did not know how to deal with her daughter and I don't know that kicking her out would have helped as I think Nadya the baby maker would have still continued her crazy behavior and her poor mother would have not wanted to see her grandchildren left as human debris left behind from her mother's nutty-ness

[roguevalley]

91. agreed. this is an awesome mess. they need dozens of volunteers

to manage feeding and diapers and that doesn't count the 1-2 million dollars it will cost to have them in the hospital until they can come home. Guess who pays for that and how many others won't get care because that financial burden ate it up.

[Control-Z]

25. Did you listen to the interview

with the mother? That woman sounds overwhelmed and frightened for the welfare of the children, the daughter, and herself. She has supported her daughter, lost her home and filed bankruptcy, with no compensation whatsoever from her daughter who secretly collected disability payments, and who had promised to help pay her own bills.

I feel so sorry for the grandmother, who, like most mothers, has helped her daughter above and beyond the call of duty. She sounded so sad while attempting to find a gentle way to speak the truth. For whatever reason, her daughter has taken advantage, and has shown that she is not in the least bit concerned about her.

You need to go and watch the video. Unless you are very young, or have never had children, it is not even an arguable point. My 15 yo daughter has a similar view of what is my duty in her life, at this point. She thinks she should be able to do anything she wants and that it is my job to enable her, and to bail her out when things go wrong, no matter what. Even at 15 I find her attitude to be lacking in normal maturity.

The grandmother has held her tongue, imo, and probably enabled her daughter out of sheer love. It would take a lot of love to have done as much as this woman already has. She is more than likely trying, even at this point, to figure out how to help her daughter through this truly impossible situation. She has sought psychiatric help in the past, but there really is no way to control another adult human being, even when that adult is the daughter you love. Obviously the daughter will not be controlled. Whether the daughter can help her behavior is the real question.

[LisaL]

40. She is an older woman who is taking care of six young children

right now. Get a clue.

[Marrah_G]

41. The daughter is an adult and the mother can't force her to get treatment.

In fact, as soon as she turned 18 the mother had no legal way to stop her. It seems to me the mother has been trying to clean up after her daughter for years.

[LostinVA]

50. OOO -- we're missing you in teh other thread -- go post there!

Octomom apologists SLAY me.

[krabigirl]

102. seriously. amazingly, someone agrees with me.

Her daughter and grandchildren need help. Seems like granny likes her time in the spotlight...

[Control-Z]

108. Granny is crying out for help

in as nice a way possible. Did you listen to her interview? The truth may hurt, but it is still the truth.

I'd be popping fuses about now.

[Lorien]

11. Where's Octomom's small but avid team of defenders on this?

saying "but she'll earn a master's degree and pull in a six figure income in no time"! :eyes:

[kskiska]

13. From the AP article:

Nadya Suleman's publicist Mike Furtney said that his client has been away for nearly two months, so shouldn't be held responsible for the home's current condition.

Furtney said his client planned to move into a larger home once the octuplets were healthy enough to leave doctors' care.

He declined to comment on any of the remarks Angela Suleman made about her daughter in the interview.

"Those are very personal issues between a mother and a daughter," he said.

[Lorien]

15. Angela Suleman says that her daughter has not paid a single bill

so how will she move into a bigger home?

[LisaL]

38. Well, my bet is octomom is expecting some TV show or

the like to provide that home for her. How else would she afford it?

[Lorien]

55. Probably. Hardly a wise finacial plan for her massive family though

she is hardly worthy of public support (which is usually reserved for those who show some shred of effort and responsibility). Even if "extreme makeover, home edition" builds her a 15 bedroom McMansion, how will she pay the utilities and the taxes? I'm afraid that her nebulous plan is doomed to failure.

[dustbunnie]

83. Her thinking is similar to those -

who factor winning the lottery into their retirement financial plan. Nebulous indeed!

But guess that's what the nails and bee-stung lips look is all about. She's investing in her future as a reality show celeb.

[Why Syzygy]

26. "shouldn't be held responsible"

You don't just pack up and leave your children in someone else's care and then claim no responsibility. She certainly IS responsible.

[LisaL]

37. Exactly.

Octomom is going to have to take care of 14 kids, yet she shouldn't be held responsible for the condition her six children are living in? Right.

[LostinVA]

51. Look up

[Lorien]

56. There's still one in particular who is notably absent

it's odd how this woman has turned into a sort of fertility Goddess worthy of worship and admiration to a handful of people. Weird!

[roguevalley]

93. apparently she had a big sum in a disability payment that I think

she spent on her face. she's sick in the head this one. poor mom. when are your older parents supposed to shovel the shit of their kids their whole damned life? WHat happened to honor thy mother and father? This girl needed a kick in the ass a few times growing up or serious medical attention.

[grace0418]

100. My personal favorite was the person who was claiming that the mother didn't

know it was going to be 8 babies so we shouldn't be so hard on her. Like 5,6,7 or even ONE additional baby (when she already has 6 she can't care for) would've been okay.

[krabigirl]

103. the mob mentality against this woman is frightening.

[glowing]

16. I have a 4yr old step-son.. If someone walked into my home at this moment,

I would look like the mom from hell too. His toys are scattered, his bed un-made, a few dirty dishes in the sink, 3 loads of laundry that need to be ironed (my iron broke).. all because its the weekend and I work most of my shifts over the weekend. My days off are clean-up, regroup, and do whatever else arises... I work 56hrs and my husband 40+ hrs/ week. To say that our family really needs to go thru a depression era is an absolute joke. I graduated the year bush was selected. We never had a real chance... We didn't get that 90's style robust economy that may have left us with a bit of a savings account. Anyway, 6 kids at home, prego mom with 8 in hospital, granny in distress in a small home with little or no help.. well, I'm sure my house would like something hit it to.

[ima_sinnic]

19. now multiply that by 14--without the husband

widdle Nadya just assumes that grandma will be only too happy to sacrifice her entire being to the care of HER children while Nadya--what? works at a job? goes to school?

Even WITH a Master's degree, the kind of work she's proposing--"counseling"--does not pull in anywhere near 6 figures. $50K-$60K MAYBE--and in this economy, even that would be a stretch.

it is simply physically impossible for one or even two people to care for 14 infants/preschoolers round the clock, 24/7. I remember seeing, when those septuplets were born about 10 years ago, there were shifts of neighbors helping out, with charts and schedules and check-off lists. Half a dozen people would be there at one time, rocking the babies, feeding them, diapering them. And babies don't adhere to any particular schedule. That kind of care is needed 24 hours a day.

[glowing]

31. I agree, its very disgusting of her to do to her family support system, namely mom.

But the fact that there is stuff all over the place and food on a wall is something I wouldn't be very surprised about; especially since the mom has spent the last 7yrs pregnant.. All of those kids are very young. I have to watch mine like a hawk; and that's just one. The state of the home just doesn't shock me... its not the best situation for the kids.. but the mother clearly didn't think about anyone except herself in any of these pregnancies.

[Mnemosyne]

113. Octomom has only been pregnant twice -

once with sextuplets and these octuplets.

Seriously.

[mentalsolstice]

61. Who is going to hire her to counsel other people?

:shrug:

[ima_sinnic]

79. yeah, that's a good question. would YOU seek the advice of this woman?

(rhetorical question, for the sarcasm-challenged)

[LostinVA]

82. It's pretty sad when you can say the DUGGARS are better parents than she is

[Hekate]

80. I agree with you about the so-called mess. Well, it is a mess, but jeez...

There have been times in my own life...

I have witnessed only one or two houses in my entire life that were actual health hazards, and this doesn't seem to be that from the one photo.

The true health hazard to this family comes from massive overcrowding of needy (and specials needs) babies with an unhinged mother.

Hekate

[firedupdem]

22. The entire family seems to have some "issues"....I watched that

young lady during that interview and she seems like she's not all there. I think she believes she's Angelina Jolie and having all these babies will fill some kind of void for her. I may be completely wrong but I hope some agency follows the family to make sure they are alright.

[ribrepin]

24. This jives with what I picked up in Nadya's interview

Nadya's answer seemed to be that she would be with her children. No clue that she needed a plan to feed eight special needs infants, possible breathing problems and any number of issues. I don't think Nadya has been raising her first six.

Grandma's raising the children and Grandpa is supporting the whole operation by making money in Iraq. I guess Nadya is going to school and having babies.

Somebody put out the word that Grandma doesn't speak very good english and so shouldn't be listened to. Seems to me Grandma makes more sense than anybody else.

[ima_sinnic]

28. Grandma seems to truly care about the children, ahead of "loyalty" to her daughter

She is clearly worried about their care and recognizes the huge responsibility that they represent. She is torn between walking out (who could blame her???!!!) and giving up her own life to care for them.

[Bobbieo]

30. From the photo - Someone in the famiy is a 'pack rat'!

[LostinVA]

52. I think it's just clothing for six very small kids in a small house

With not enough time to fold and put away.

[Lorien]

57. Yep. I can't fault anyone for that

just watching after six kids under the age of seven has got to be incredibly exhausting. The home will never be Martha Stewart tidy-just not enough hours in the day for that!

[Gormy Cuss]

67. Yep.

It looks no worse than some small apartments of friends who have only two kids --too little room is too little room.

[BlooInBloo]

33. According to some genius DUers, her grandma is therefore a sexist asshole...

for criticizing.

[LisaL]

42. Yea, even though apparently grandma has been paying for the

six kids her daughter had already produced, and is taking care of them, all grandma should be saying is how great her daughter is.

[nc4bo]

34. Good Gawd almighty. How will the babymaker cope indeed?! nt

[pipi_k]

59. the poor thing...

She'll probably get all depressed and feel like nobody loves her and that she needs to have eight or ten more kids so she'll REALLY feel complete...

[LisaL]

35. The octomom's mother is is likely very tired because she

is taking care of six young children right now. Also grandma is saying Nadya never told her about the disability payments she was getting.

[Vinca]

44. Okay, I'm going to say it . . . flame away.

Social services need to take up residence on this young woman's doorstep and if she cannot take care of the children, they need to be placed elsewhere.

[LisaL]

45. I don't see what is so flame worthy about this.

Octomom will have to take care of 14 young children. Her own mother doesn't know how octomom will be able to cope. Why shouldn't CPS be involved?

[Lars39]

47. Nope, in the hospital.

If they can't produce a daily work chart with names filled in of those that are going to take care of those children....well, they just shouldn't be released into her care at all.

[pipi_k]

60. I'm not even going to light a match...

because I agree with you 100%


This will be no better than the neighborhood "crazy lady" who has a houseful of cats she can't care for. The Humane Society will come and take those cats away.

Those poor kids deserve nothing less than what we'd give a cat...

[roguevalley]

95. those children MUST come first in all the dust up. I feel for the

grandparents. what a horror story this is.

[acmavm]

89. Yep. And I'll lend you my asbestos suit.

[47of74]

48. Ok, Mona Charen, please explain to us how exactly...

Ok, Mona Charen, please explain to us how exactly what makes this case exactly like the case of Linda Sánchez? I'm waiting to hear some more of that twisted neo-con logic here.

[dugaresa]

53. I think it is time for Grandma to call OctoMom's bluff - Call CYS and Leave

This woman is watching six grandchildren and is overwhelmed.

It is not easy rasing that many kids and while any grandmother would do it in a heartbeat in an emergency, this is a case where her daughter has taken advantage of her mother's goodwill.

I say stop enabling it.

When OctoMom stops doing the talk show circuit and has to live with her kids (which is where she should be if she so truly loves children)...then perhaps she will start to understand why it was completely selfish of her to bring 8 more children (and infants who may have troubles) into this mess she has created.

[kiranon]

58. Agree. What services are being provided to her autistic son?

Early intervention is the key for many autistic children and this requires enormous involvement by the parents/caregiver and those providing the services. And, this is for just one of the children. I feel for the grandmother who has supported and raised the first 6 children which must have been very difficult. There is no way she can raise 8 newborns and the original 6 without live in help and a lot of money just to cover the essentials.

[TexasObserver]

62. Time for a court mandated psych evaluation of her.

She seems nuts, and may be incapable of caring for her children.

Anyone who has 6 kids and wants 8 more should be considered a few cards short of a deck, unless their name is Angelina Jolie, and they make enough to hire an army of helpers.

[LynneSin]

64. If a woman lived like this with 14 cats you know Animal Humane Services would intervene

The smartest thing to do is put the Octuplets up for adoption - I'm sure there would be no problem finding homes for these kids - perhaps 2-4 families who want to adopt and make it a condition that the octuplets would not lose contact with each other.

She has 6 kids, let her keep those and geez, get her her the mental help needed to prevent having more kids.

[earth mom]

65. Okay. This is what bugs the fuck out of me about this entire thing.

Nadya looks like she spent a gawd damn fortune on plastic surgery so she can look like Angelina Jolie.

Nadya has 6 kids she can NOT take care of including one with Autism-all that her mom regularly cares for.

Nadya more than likely spent a small fortune to have 8 more kids who may or may not end up with disabilities themselves because she never felt enough love when she was a kid!

It's ALL about Nadya!

But the fucking icing on the cake is the condition of the home Nadya and those kids live in! Is it just me or does it look like they are camping out in that house? Where in the hell are the dressers for the clothes?! Where the hell is a table to put that little red childrens TV on?! Where the hell are the curtains, pictures on the wall, books, toys and all the stuff it takes to make a house a home?!!!

:wtf:

And don't tell me she can't afford it! You can pick up used furniture and stuff for kids dirt cheap at garage sales in Southern California! I lived there almost my entire life and I know what I'm talking about!

Obviously Nadya spent ALL her money on HERSELF! On plastic surgery and on getting pregnant!

And now those kids will have an even worse life unless someone else comes along and saves Nadya ass and pays for everything!

Absolutely disgusting!!! :puke: :grr:

[dugaresa]

68. i noticed that she has her nails done as well...

now when I had small babies, I had short nails to avoid scratching them...the Today program showed her caressing the kids with her manicured nails.

[earth mom]

69. I noticed that too.

:crazy:

[mshasta]

72. is all about her...

is very complicated to have acrylic nails done every two weeks for a real mother with 14 kids.

, PAlin has her nails done too....

[K Gardner]

71. Did you see before and after pics? Those are definitely NOT her lips. This whole thing

is disgusting. And kudos to the grandmother for not becoming a doormat for her unhealthy daughter.

[Avalux]

81. She has admitted to numerous medical procedures - including her nose and lips.

She seems to be obsessed with Jolie. I am horrified she received over 160K in benefits and never told her mother; never contributed to the household income and allowed her parents to struggle and even lose their home to care for her children. It's about time the grandparents stop enabling their daughter and let the chips fall where they may.

Nadya Suleman is nothing but a spoiled child; her inability to understand the consequences of her actions are akin to a 12 year old. Fantastic thinking not based in reality.

[roguevalley]

96. agreed, earth mom

[krabigirl]

104. wait, to have kids, you need pretty curtains?

Yeah, her place is a mess, but mine is kinda messy too. Oh, and our furniture doesn't match, and we haven't yet hung pictures on the wall since we had a baby prematurely a week after we moved in. I guess we should have our kids taken away too, since we fail in interior design.

[mrbarber]

111. You have children..

and are defending this woman's actions?

That is terrifying.

[treestar]

70. If one believes Grandma about the boyfriend

this gets even weirder. Not only does she want all those kids, she wants to go it alone? And if so, then why is she still with Grandma? that's not alone. Why not let the Dad help then?

[951-Riverside]

74. The Duggar Family and Angelina Jolie must be thrilled by all of this.

[nc4bo]

76. Eeeeeeeeek. Sista girl needs therapy. Lots and lots of it. nt

[hlthe2b]

77. Whatchu doin with Ms. Aretha's crown?

;)

[K Gardner]

84. Oh MY !! Those pics, arggh ! Maybe Brangelina can adopt all those kids AND the mother as a body

double !

[shanti]

101. WOW!

:wow: she wants to BE angelina!

[SoCalDem]

78. Sounds like Grandma is "opting OUT"...and setting the stage for those kids to be removed

from the home, and put into foster care..

[wroberts189]

90. There is something very wrong with this ..no matter what side you're on.

If you cannot give the kids a good life you cripple them.

[CoffeeCat]

94. That entire family is one dysfunctional mess!

The daughter is having babies that she cannot take care of. She and her mother have both
said that this woman is having all of these children, to make up for the "lack of childhood
love that she experienced."

Ok...you don't need to be Freud to understand that this woman is recapitulating the very
cycle that her mother started with her. She's creating an environment in which NONE of
these children will get the love, care and attention that they deserve and need.

This woman is like an abuse victim--stuck in a cycle. She is desperately, desperately
in need of major psychotherapy.

And her mother is a major piece of work. Her mother continues to spill her daughter's
personal information to the media! No wonder this girl didn't have a good childhood.
Her mother can't get enough media attention, and she does it by exploiting her daughter
and also bad mouthing her.

I'm not saying that grandma needs to stay and take care of these children. But she
sure as hell shouldn't be turning the entire world against her daughter, badmouthing
her, taking pictures of her dirty house and then disseminating them to the media.

This entire family is sick--and it probably began generations ago.

Very sad....because this giant litter of children will only repeat the cycle.

I don't see how these children stay with this mom. It's just not possible.

I have a friend who is raising four kids on her own--all under the age of 5.
Her husband died in a car accident a year ago. She is only surviving, because
the community helps her out in shifts and has donated gift cards, money and all
sorts of things. She's barely doing it and barely staying sane.

This situation isn't even do-able without help. It's just not.

[Writer]

98. Hello, Narcissa!

:popcorn:

[NM Independent]

106. This crazy idiot needs a hard slap from reality.

Those poor kids are either going to be taken away, or live in a VERY dysfunctional home.

I feel so sorry for the Grandmother.

[BrightKnight]

107. Nobody could adequately care for that many babies. - n/t

[The Backlash Cometh]

109. Poor kids.

[Dervill Crow]

110. That picture looks messy, not filthy.

That's life with small children. I agree that "octomom" is nuts, but it's her demeanor in the interview I saw and the circumstances she has put herself and those poor babies in, not the clothes on the floor that convince me.

I do hope some social service agency steps in and rescues the grandma and gets the crazy mom some help. It's nothing short of bizarre that she wants to be a counselor when she herself seems so obviously in need of counseling.

IMNSHO the fertility clinic she went through was criminally negligent. Don't they do some sort of psychological screening of their clients, or is it all about the money?

[LisaL]

112. We don't have laws that would either demand or allow

for psychological screening of people wanting fertility treatments.
The doctor would would do that might end up being sued.

[Dervill Crow]

114. Crazy that - so it's easier to get IVF than bariatric surgery!

It's a strange world we live in. :eyes: