Octuplet Grandma Calls Daughter 'Unconscionable'

[JeffreyWilliamson]

:wow: :wow: :wow:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=6833533&page=1

The grandmother of the California octuplets calls her daughter Nadya Suleman's decision to impregnate herself again after giving birth to six children "really unconscionable" and says the 33-year-old single mother has "no means to support" 14 children.

Angela Suleman said Sunday that she's been housing and supporting her daughter Nadya Suleman and her six grandchildren by a previous in vitro fertilization procedure in a "cramped" apartment for years.

Angela Suleman said that her daughter "spent a lot of money on toys" but never contributed rent or food money and failed to tell her mother about more than $167,000 that records show she received from worker's compensation claims.

Octuplets Grandma really doesn't have a problem talking, does she?

[bdamomma]

1. Keith said the other nite Nadya Suleman is trying to intimate

Angelina Jolie!!! What a stupid girl!!!

[Kahuna]

2. Granny's pissed. Who can blame her? nt

[JeffreyWilliamson]

4. Sounds likes she's pissed for a good reason...

"I did hear that she received money from her insurance,'' Angela Suleman told Splash News in an interview that was aired on "GMA." "She never told me. But I've never seen any money, not for house payments or for feeding the kids."

Angela Suleman filed for bankruptcy in March 2008, according to court documents.

I thought there was something suspicious about that bankruptcy.

[bluestateguy]

3. One thing comes to mind

[LostinVA]

5. Loom at what her PUBLICIST says

(I WAS JUST COMING TO POST THIS ARTICLE!!!!!)

online Sunday.
Angela Suleman is caring for the six older children while her daughter is hospitalized after giving birth Jan. 26 to the octuplets. "She already has six beautiful children, why would she do this?" Angela Suleman said in the videotaped interview with celebrity news Web site RadarOnline.com. "I'm struggling to look after her six. We had to put in bunk beds, feed them in shifts and there's children's clothing piled all over the house." The Web site posted photographs from inside Angela Suleman's disheveled three-bedroom home, where Nadya and her brood also live. Heaps of clothing pour from an open closet door and a carpeted bedroom, where a bedsheet serves as a curtain, is cluttered with cribs.


***Nadya Suleman's publicist Mike Furtney said that his client has been away for nearly two months, so shouldn't be held responsible for the home's current condition.***

[JeffreyWilliamson]

6. Nice job, Mike Furtney...

Really helping Octo-Mom's case there.

[LostinVA]

8. The house may be messy because, oh, THE GRANDMA IS CARING FOR SIX KIDS

ALL very young. Probably almost all by herself, and certainly PAYING for it all by herself. But hey, let's slam the woman for having a MESSY HOUSE!!!!!!

[JeffreyWilliamson]

10. Now, now, we can't blame Octuplets Mom for her first 6 kids' living conditions...

That wouldn't be fair since she was, after all, busy having octuplets. Once she's back home, I'm sure it'll all get sorted. :sarcasm:

I'll be very interested in seeing what the Octuplets Defense Brigage has to say about these developments today.

[LisaL]

13. Yea, I guess her publicist is missing the whole point.

Somebody has to take care of her six kids while she is off having the other eight.
How exactly is one woman supposed to be able to take care of 14 children? And what is CPS doing while this is going on?

[Marrah_G]

14. Of course the place is messy

There are 6 kids under age 7. A pair of 2 year old twins, another child is Autistic.

Things are not going to get any better when mom comes home with 8 preemie newborns and Grandma leaves.

Just imagine one trip to the doctor or to the supermarket.

The mother is clearly fucked in the head Livvy and the kids are the ones who are going to pay for it.

[LostinVA]

29. I'm glad the grandmother went to the one fertility doctor

She at least tried to stop the madness.

[Marrah_G]

39. Yeah I saw that

I really feel for everyone in this case. In the end the parents and any other family will probably end up caring for the children as the mother is obviously not in her right mind.

The poor kids.

I know the absolute nightmare quadruplets was for my cousins. My mother used to travel there once a week to take a few "shifts" when they were newborns. One is also Autistic.... I can't imagine them saying "let's do this again", even though they are financially well off.

There is no way for the mother to bond with all 8. I would doubt she has a strong bond with her previous 6. She has been pregnant most of the time.

[TheCowsCameHome]

7. Without tons of donations from companies, the daughter is really screwed

Oops, bad choice of words.

No way can she raise her brood without a load of free stuff.

[Kahuna]

9. And three nannies. One person, even two can't care for 14 children. nt

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

12. The older ones will probably be pressed into looking after the younger ones.

It's not really a good idea considering how old the oldest ones are, but it'll probably happen anyway.

[Kahuna]

22. Just saw video of one of the babies on M$NBC. It sure is cute. nt

[LisaL]

27. Most babies are cute.

:eyes:

[Marrah_G]

41. They have to be so we don't kill them.

No really.... that's why they make us go "awwwwww" and revert to idiots in seconds.

[LisaL]

42. Exactly.

They are helpless and depend on others for support of all needs. If they weren't cute lots of them wouldn't make it. It's an evolutionary strategy.

[pipi_k]

46. I had heard that same thing too...

So in evolutionary terms, one of my younger sisters shouldn't even be here today.

As a baby, she was, as my father put it, "uglier than a barrelful of snots".

uhh...he always was rather direct....

:yoiks:

[LostinVA]

48. hahahaha -- the same way with kittens!

[Marrah_G]

53. No really, it's built into our DNA

I watched a show about it. Babies are cute so we will take care of them. Then as adults we are attracted to people with those same features (that does not mean "people that look like babies").

[LostinVA]

54. Very interesting!

[pipi_k]

58. And the cute little baby voices too...

that's what makes them so appealing.

Although I find that the older I get, the less I can tolerate high-pitched voices on adults.

Makes me want to slap them.


Kids...OK

Adults....no

who knows why...


:shrug:

[FirstLight]

63. It's called "survival camoflage"

large head, big eyes, higher pitch voice...etc.

so when the little bugger sets fire to the living room carpet, or shaves the dog....
and looks up at you with those big eyes and says "I love you mommy" you have no choice but to let them live!

:rofl:

[Kahuna]

43. What's with the eyes? You're made at me for saying the baby is cute??

:rofl:

[LisaL]

44. Well it's like saying the water is wet.

[Kahuna]

49. Whatever. I promise to never call a baby cute again. Happy now?

:eyes:

[patrice]

11. That's what she is counting on from a bunch of "Pro-Lifers" + college tuition.

She's going to be perfectly with each and every one of her children AND go to graduate school AND THEN work. I'm telling you, she expects some church to pick up the slack and I DO mean slack.

[JeffreyWilliamson]

15. Sounds like she's already hard at work juicing up her church creds...

Word is she's named the octuplets after biblical figures.

[patrice]

19. So, Socialism is EVIL, unless it's religious Socialism, then we should support it withTax writeoffs

The usual phony-"Pro-Life" reich-wing HYPOCRISY.

[patrice]

16. Which, said hypothetical church will probably do, because of the gauranteed congregation they'll get

out of it!

[TheCowsCameHome]

18. The Pro-Lifers seem to be among the missing in her case.

Even this is too many babies for their liking.

All I hear from the right is she's a (paraphrasing) "welfare queen", drain on society, nothing about how "every life is sacred", etc.

Freakin' hypocrites.

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

20. Every life *IS* sacred...

at least until they have to pay to support that life.

[pipi_k]

32. Isn't that the truth!

I'll bet they wish women stayed pregnant forever.

Then they wouldn't have to actually face up to their own hypocrisy.

Preborn life = good...the stuff of crusades...

Postborn life = a huge (or "hugh") problem they deal with by turning away and focusing on the next bunch of embryos.



I try to have compassion for such people on the basis that they're probably extremely mentally ill, but I still can't help wanting to choke the shit out of them.

[book_worm]

17. She will get a book deal and probably a reality TV show, she will get $$ out of this stunt

probably why she did it.

[jazzjunkysue]

23. Was there ever any doubt? They're going after the doctor now, who should have to pay for her help.

Drain the doctor and then maybe this won't happen again. Those poor kids.

[LisaL]

26. According to grandma, her daughter wanted 12 kids

and then she was going to write a book about being a single mother. Well, she had six kids, and then got implanted with six embryos. You do the math.

[ecstatic]

34. We'll see. Things have changed since the great recession

People have bailout fatigue.

[DRoseDARs]

21. Clearly Ms. Suleman is anti-Choice AND anti-woman...

:sarcasm:

[Vinnie From Indy]

24. An insane woman is running amok and America tunes in with bowls of popcorn

At the very least, I hope that the grotesque exploitation of this undeniably mentally ill woman by the mainstream media will result in heightened oversight by child protection services.

[JeffreyWilliamson]

25. I hope that at the very least...

This little soap opera dissuades any would be Jons and Kates from pulling a stunt like this again.

It's time the media stops glorifying these people, and thus inviting potential octo-moms to want a piece of the pie.

[hamsterjill]

38. Absolutely 100% Right On!

With the state of the world, we do not need to be glorifying things like this.

We need to show the money, hard work, time, effort, frustration, sorrow and sadness that comes along with raising these children.

It's not all "Duggar/Gosselin" wonderful like those shows portray.

[LibDemAlways]

28. I noticed that the few octomom apologists

here on DU haven't surfaced yet on this thread. I guess since grandma herself is dissing her daughter, there isn't much left to be said.

[LisaL]

30. Give them time. I bet they will start dissing grandma any minute now.

[LostinVA]

33. The grandmother has been attacked on here before

For, you know, saying her daughter is nuts and selfish, and she's basically enslaved and beggared her parents. Apparently, this means granny was a horrible abusive mother, and Octomon is just acting out. Or something.

:wtf:

I know people who WERE horribly abused as children and teens, and they've never went and had 14 kids IVFed.

on edit: I see it's happened!

[JeffreyWilliamson]

35. It's still early...

Just give it a little time. I suspect we'll soon be hearing how anti-choice Octuplets Grandma is for not volunteering to bankrupt herself further.

[pipi_k]

37. Well, a couple got asked some pretty interesting questions...

that I don't believe were ever answered.

When they stated that women (people) should be allowed to have as many children as they want, they were asked if it would be perfectly OK for their own daughter to have 14 kids that THEY (the grandparents) would have to care for and support.



Shit...never mind support on a regular basis...I have three grandkids of my own and Christmas just blows when I know that I can't give them what I'd like to because we're on fixed incomes here.

:(

[LostinVA]

55. WRONG!

Check the other Octomon thread in GD!

[LibDemAlways]

61. I was writing specifically about this thread. It hasn't been

hijacked....yet.

[LostinVA]

62. I was just giving you a heads up

[JeffreyWilliamson]

64. There's something about this article...

That probably doesn't lend itself well to their version of events.

I'm betting these new and interesting details will be particularly hard to justify or explain away. They probably feel safer not even trying.

That other thread is getting most of their action, I notice.

[ecstatic]

31. LOL. Seems like neither the grandmother nor Nadya have a problem

with throwing the other under the bus. Nice family. :)

[MineralMan]

36. Well, a stray cat wandered into my old house and

gave birth to a litter of 6 kittens. It was a real mess. Once they were weaned, we put them in a cardboard box and gave them away in front of the supermarket.

[LisaL]

40. Sorry, I don't think you can give the babies away from a cardboard

box in front of a supermarket.

[MineralMan]

47. Oh, well, OK.

That was my point, of course.

[pipi_k]

45. They can't give all those kids away in front of the supermarket...

If she wants to make money, but they could hold a lottery.

Or maybe the Octomom can rent them out on Netflix or something

:think:

[LostinVA]

50. hahahahaha

Seriesly -- you made me :rofl:!

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

51. She can farm them out to families waiting to adopt.

"Be a part of the octo-experience! For a mere $2,500 you can take care of the octuplets for a day. Live out your maternal/paternal fantasies!. Act now and we'll throw in a copy of octomom's autobiography Clown Car: The Nadya Suleman Story free of charge! Place your reservation today!"

[pipi_k]

59. Clown car!!!

bwahahahah!!!!


But anyway, yeah...what a pitch, huh?

instead of paying someone to take care of the kids, she gets suckers to pay HER to take care of them.

PT Barnum would be proud!

:7

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

60. There's one born every minute.

:)

[Kashka-Kat]

52. Ann Landers used to say - you can't be taken advantaged of unless you want to be

[LostinVA]

56. It's your daughter and your grandchildren

[nancyr]

57. It's all nothing but a freak show.