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WhaTHellsgoingonhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 11:47 AM
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Nader on Hartmann: Tobin Tax would...
Edited on Tue Feb-10-09 11:49 AM by WhaTHellsgoingonhere
...raise $500 billion a year AND discourage casino capitalism.

Nobel Laureate James Tobin proposed a 10-25 cents sales tax per $100 traded. Contact congress and let's demand a tiny Tobin Tax. I hope you agree :)
-wth

www.congress.org

Tax The Speculators
Let’s start with a fairness point. Why should you pay a 5 to 6 percent sales tax for buying the necessities of life, when tomorrow, some speculator on Wall Street can buy $100 million worth of Exxon derivatives and not pay one penny in sales tax?

<snip>

In that way, revenues can be raised at the same time as the taxes discourage those activities which are least valued, such as the most speculative stock market trades, pollution (a carbon tax), gambling, and the addictive industries that sicken or destroy health and amass large costs.

So, your member of Congress, who is grappling these days with gigantic deficits on the backs of your children at the same time as that deep recession and tax cuts reduce revenues and increase torrents of red ink, should be championing such transaction taxes.

Yet apart from a small number of legislators, most notably Congressman Peter Welch (Dem. VT) and Peter DeFazio (Dem. OR), the biggest revenue producer of all—a tax on stock derivative transactions—essentially bets on bets—and other mystifying gambles by casino capitalism—is at best corridor talk on Capitol Hill.

There are differing estimates of how much such Wall Street transaction taxes can raise each year. A transaction tax would, however, certainly raise enough to make the Wall Street crooks and gamblers pay for their own Washington bailout. Lets scan some figures economists put forth.

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University of Massachusetts economist, Robert Pollin, writes in the current issue of the estimable Boston Review: “A small tax (Nobel Laureate James Tobin proposed 10-25 cents per $100 traded) on all financial-market transactions, comparable to a sales tax, would raise the costs on short-term speculative trading while having negligible effect on people who trade infrequently. It would thus discourage speculation and channel funds toward productive investment.” He adds that after the 1987 stock market crash, securities-trading taxes “or similar measures” were endorsed by then Senate Minority Leader Bob Dole and even the first President Bush. Professor Pollin estimates that a one-half of one percent tax would raise about $350 billion a year. That seems conservative. The Wall Street Journal once mentioned about $500 trillion in derivatives trades alone in 2008—the most speculative of transactions. A one tenth of one percent tax would raise $500 billion dollars a year, assuming that level of trading
.

souce: Ralph Nader

http://www.nader.org/index.php?/archives/2101-Tax-The-Speculators.html
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 11:54 AM
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1. I've supported this since the very first time I heard about it, Pre-TARP
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 11:56 AM
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2. PS - Thom Hartmann wrote about this first, on commondreams - might be less divisive source
than Nader.

Rep. Pete Defozio (D-OR) proposed this during the TARP debate - might be a good place to start with contacts.
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WhaTHellsgoingonhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 11:59 AM
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4. Thanks! n/t
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 11:59 AM
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3. You have to ask yourself why, in these times and after the results of
the parasites gambling with other people's money and then shuffling their losses off on us, has nobody in DC supported this yet?

Of course it is only another delay of the inevitable, but we need all we can get right now.

:kick: & R


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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 12:18 PM
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5. I think I could support this
but with one amendment: people with income below a certain amount (I don't know how much, maybe $50,000) should be able to deduct the Tobin taxes on their federal tax return. I don't want to discourage middle income people from participating in the stock market. Otherwise, I think it is a worthy idea.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 12:20 PM
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6. uh oh
:yoiks:
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WhaTHellsgoingonhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 12:34 PM
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7. omega, before I posted this I did a DU search on "Tobin Tax"
The only(?) thread that came up was the one you started in April 2003! lol
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 12:41 PM
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8. good thing there's no TobinHaters
ssshhhhhhh don't use the Nword here :scared:
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WhaTHellsgoingonhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 12:53 PM
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10. great...
At least I put Hartmann's name in the title.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 01:10 PM
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12. mebbe the NaderHaters are busy being SirotaDoubters
:hi:
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 12:42 PM
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9. Good idea. nt
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 12:55 PM
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11. Kick & rec
It's a good idea. It's worth reposting without the N word in the title, to get more visibility.
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WhaTHellsgoingonhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 02:00 PM
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14. Really? If it disappears into oblivion I'll do that. Thanks
Sheesh!
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:09 PM
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19. I know. There's a lot of resentment toward Nader here.
Personally, I think he's a stand-up guy, but a lot of DUers blame him for throwing the 2000 election. And since DU was founded on Jan. 20, 2001, we wouldn't be here if not for that outcome; so the numbers against him are disproportionately large here. I think it's best to avoid mentioning him if the subject is really the tax itself.
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WhaTHellsgoingonhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:29 PM
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21. DOH! :headsmack: Gottit! n/t
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 01:41 PM
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13. Make it progressive.
Smaller transactions get hit less, and the big speculators get hit more. Better yet, don't tax the transactions themselves, but rather hit up the big buyers at the end of the year, with nominal fees (or none) for individuals who buy few shares. The little guy doesn't need to be penalized for little investments.

Nader's not wrong about everything.
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 02:10 PM
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15. If Nader said it it can't be a good thing.. just like seat belts were a terrible idea. /sarcasm off
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WhaTHellsgoingonhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 05:01 PM
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16. this is *hardly* n's idea; DEFAZIO (D-OR), WELCH (D-VT), Thom HARTMANN...
Edited on Tue Feb-10-09 05:02 PM by WhaTHellsgoingonhere
...among the MANY who endorse this idea. Some HERE have made excellent suggestions that would alter it slightly. :)

Of course, you knew that, and so do the others.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 05:06 PM
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18. Many of us like Nader's ideas as long as he stays out of politics and only
writes about it.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 05:05 PM
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17. It's a good idea but like many good ideas it would gore too many
sacred cows. Maybe after the herd gets thinned a bit by legislation, Congress can revisit this.
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WhaTHellsgoingonhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:25 PM
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20. That's what I'm thinking. Through process of elimination, the may...
...be left with no alternative ;)
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:42 PM
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22. Someone proposed a tax on derivatives back in 1993...
to reduce speculation as well as generate revenue, although I hesitate to post the link.

Just google derivatives tax + 1993 for the articles.






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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 09:55 PM
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23. .... n/t
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