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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 05:45 PM
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An interesting little fact about the bank bailout
I went to a Save Our Jobs rally on Sunday put together by the local UAW. There were 2 congressmen there, Cleaver (MO 5th) and Moore (KS 3rd). Both are on the banking committee.

Cleaver said everyone was upset when the automaker CEOs flew to DC on private jets. He said yes it was a stupid mistake but did any of us know how the Wall Street bankers got there in October when they asked for their bailout.

THEY DIDN'T EVEN BOTHER TO SHOW UP!!

They just told the committee where to send their checks.

Cleaver said he and Moore were there at the committee hearings so they both know for a fact the bankers didn't even come to DC in person to ask for their bailout.

Pretty interesting, don't you think?
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 05:48 PM
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1. So WHy didn't these reps make that little nugget of knowledge available last October?
I think perhaps the newspapers would have printed something about it then, don't you?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:14 PM
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3. Well he also talked about media spin
So maybe they did tell the newspapers. For that matter, wasn't the press there at the hearings? Why didn't they report the bankers didn't show up?
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 05:55 PM
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2. It was Paulson who asked for the bailout-The Secretary of Treasury from Goldman Sachs

He got down on his knees (literally) we were told--so I think Cleaver is being disingenuous.

We were also told that some of the banks did not want the money but were forced to take it.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:16 PM
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4. It is still a fact that the bankers were mailed their checks
while the auto cos were expected to show up and beg for their money.

Cleaver, BTW, is anything but disingenuous. He is a very honorable man. Also the only ordained minister in Congress. (Unless a minister was elected in November.)
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 07:13 PM
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6. I respect Cleaver also but I find his comparison misleading. - Does the committee write checks?
I think the Congress, as a body, acted badly in the September/October bailout and needs self-criticism. I think Cleaver's comment deflects criticism away from Congress by playing one industry against another.

If it is true that Paulson forced many banks to accept the TARP money , and Congress (presumably including Cleaver) agreed to let Paulson do whatever he pleased with the money, I would think that those banks should not be criticized for not showing up to ask for money they did not ask for.

While I suspect that there were some investment banks sounding an alarm to Paulson about their own emergency needs and if so I see it as having been the responsibility of congress to have them show up along with Paulson, but they apparently chose to not do so.

The auto companies made a direct , clearcut request for taxpayer money and reasonably went in person to make their case.


There seem to be many reports about banks receiving money they did not want as well as some taking money because it was offered.

<http://www.tokoni.com/story/8196/paulson-forced-banks-to-take-tarp-money--from-san-francisco.html>

Russell Colombo, president and chief executive at Bank of Marin, which accepted $28 million in TARP money, agrees. "It's not like every bank has a huge lineup of customers wanting to borrow money. You have to underwrite them properly," he says.

Bank of Marin, which serves consumers and businesses in San Francisco, Marin and Sonoma counties, has been holding public meetings to explain "the purposes of the TARP money, why we took it and what we are doing with it," Colombo says.

One notion he wants to dispel is that taking TARP money means you're troubled.

When Congress approved $700 billion for TARP, it was supposed to buy troubled mortgage securities from banks. But the bill's language was broad, and former Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson decided in October he would use $250 billion to buy preferred stock in banks to bolster their capital.

In late October, Paulson forced the nation's nine largest banks to accept a total of $125 billion, regardless of their health. San Francisco's Wells Fargo got $25 billion in that first round. Citigroup and Bank of America later came back for billions more.

Paulson allocated another $125 billion to buy stakes in the nation's remaining 8,000-plus banks. To get these funds, banks were supposed to be financially strong, but Treasury never disclosed how it would determine a bank's health.

To date, Treasury has bought $193 billion in preferred stock from more than 200 banks, including the original nine. These shares pay a 5 percent annual dividend the first five years and 9 percent thereafter. The banks can buy the stock back from Treasury after three years.

"It provided very inexpensive capital," Colombo says.

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 09:15 PM
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10. I agree that Congress acted badly
But I also think that banks claiming money was forced on them is a great way to spin the bailout and justify them spending it on bonuses and expensive trinkets for employees.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 06:42 PM
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5. ".... were forced to take it."
Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!

You funny.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 07:19 PM
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7. Look at my post above. Check out Wells Fargo and JP Morgan on not wanting Tarp Money
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 09:09 PM
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9. Sorry but I am not buying that line
They are BANKERS. And we are supposed to believe they actually didn't want money?!
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 09:28 PM
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11. They already had capital reserves enough to lend to customers they considered loan-worthy.
Accepting they TARP money may have come with pressure to lend it to entities they did not consider credit-worthy or other strings.


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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-09 09:07 PM
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8. Heard that same comment on right wing talk radio today
Don't believe it for a single solitary second.
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