Threats send California octuplets mom into hiding

[SoCalNative]

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - California's octuplets mom, already jobless and receiving food stamps, has gone into hiding with her six older children because of death threats, her spokesman said on Wednesday.

Nadya Suleman, 33, has come under mounting public ridicule for expanding her already large family via fertility treatments that led to the January 26 birth of six boys and two girls at a Los Angeles-area hospital.

That criticism has mushroomed as it was reported that she was divorced, living with her parents, unemployed for several years, receiving disability checks for three of her children -- one of whom is autistic -- and collecting nearly $500 a month in food stamps.

She acknowledged those circumstances in a series of NBC television interviews but insisted in a segment aired on Tuesday on "Dateline NBC" that she was "not living off any taxpayer money" and that assistance she now receives is temporary.

The broadcast drew the highest "Dateline" ratings since a 2007 interview with Britain's Prince William and Prince Harry.

http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE51A7R020090211?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews&pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0&sp=true

[SoCalDem]

1. Well, I guess her "plan" backfired...bigtime.. Too bad her kids pay the biggest price

:(

What I wonder too, is this.,.

She said her "boyfriend" (maybe her mother said it) was the donor for ALL the kids.. doesn;t that make him the FATHER...not some anonymous donor from a list or a test tube..

I wonder if Calif, will come after him for his part in this freakshow.

[Sal Minella]

16. Did you notice, in the article about the kids' names, their last name is "Solomon" like the father,

not Suleman like hers -- or maybe the news services are just screwing up the spellings -- ?

[SoCalDem]

18. I'm wondering if he is RELATED to her..

and may not be her "boyfriend" at all.. Solomon is the Americanized version of Suleman..

There's MORE to this "story"..

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The movie version, in MY head..


Lonely woman works at a fertility clinic...pays close attention to what goes on, and has access to drugs used for fertility treatment..

Persuades the doctor to "treat" her, and then "supplements" her own treatment with what she;s learned along the way..

In the HBO version, a turkey baster may be involved..

:rofl:

[barb162]

37. Since she is using all biblical first names for the kids, I assume the

name of the embryo's male contributor is made up biblically too. This woman just makes things up and outright lies.

[Maru Kitteh]

70. Unlike you.

Who actually, factually, knows absolutely everything about her, and her motivations, and the children's paternity, and her whole life. You're just that damn good a Miss. Cleo.

[kskiska]

59. Nadya's father says kids' birth certificates were falsified - Solomon is fake

Octuplets' Hospital Bill Could Cost Up to $1M

Mounting Controversy: Bill Could Go to Taxpayers; Grandfather Claims Birth Certificates Faked

(snip)

The bill is the latest facet of the growing controversy surrounding the octuplets' birth that also includes accusations by the octuplets' grandfather that their mother, Nadya Suleman, falsified birth certificates by listing a fake name, David Solomon, as the kids' father.

Falsifying birth certificates is a felony, punishable by a maximum of three years in jail.

more…
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Parenting/story?id=6853385&page=1

[uppityperson]

66. "Falsifying birth certificates is a felony, punishable by a maximum of three years in jail."Good gri

Good grief. It keeps getting worse. Grifter, felon, what next?

[Hekate]

25. In CA the sperm donor will only be liable for support if the pregnancy resulted from intercourse

At least that was the judgement in a case that occurred in my town. Ten years prior to the case a single woman longed for a child of her own but had no husband or steady boyfriend. She talked a male friend of hers into donating his sperm -- fine, this has been done before -- but the cheapest and most efficient method was devised before the Dawn of Time. They had sex together.

Imagine calendar pages flipping ten years forward. She has fallen on hard times, loses her job, is at wit's end (I am wondering about the length and breadth of said wits) -- and decides to pursue her old friend for child support. Her old friend that she hasn't seen in many, many years, and that she explicitly told would have no responsibility after doing her this favor.

In a disgusting turn of events, the judge actually sided with her. His reasoning was that the act of sex proved a personal relationship sufficient to make the poor guy the actual father for legal purposes.

Unless this was overturned on an appeal I didn't hear about, he's stuck.

But the reverse may be true as well. If Nadya's former boyfriend donated into a cup, and the rest was done in a lab, then he may well be off the hook for this horrifying mess.

Hekate

[Ms. Toad]

45. That just means that if the pregnancy occurred

as a result of intercourse the father has an obligation to support the child.

It doesn't mean that a known donor sperm does not have an obligation to suppport the child. I don't know specifically in California, but the cases I have reviewed generally result in personal "donors" being liable for child support - regardless of the mechanism by which the donation got to the egg. (Donations through sperm banks are treated differently.)

[MrModerate]

2. Like a lot of other people . . .

I'd really like to hear from the clinic that did this. What were they thinking?

[liberalmuse]

3. She has a personality disorder.

And it is very obvious. People are vile. They may disagree with what she's done, but she's still the mother of those 14 precious kids, regardless. I mean, it doesn't look like Social Services is in any hurry to intervene, and if they did, those kids would likely be worse off.

[eleny]

4. Something just doesn't feel right about this news

There might be proof of the threats. But my first reaction is skepticism.

Her little ones are all going to have a rough row to hoe, poor babies one and all.

[madaboutharry]

9. I don't think this is being made up.

I do think there are a lot of really creepy people in the world.

If this story of threats is fabricated it will only add to the already mounting evidence that she may be unfit to care for these babies.

[AlCzervik]

14. mine too.

i don't believe her.

[varkam]

20. I don't have any trouble believing it. She's already a pariah on DU.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

32. Oh, I believe her......

....I believe that there are people just as nuts as she is looking to make news just like she is.

[anonymous171]

5. She's just looking for attention. She's trying to make everyone feel sorry for HER.

When really everyone is feeling sorry for her children.

[Sal Minella]

30. She didn't get that nose all Michael-Jacksonized, and get those lips all

bloated up just so the media could point the cameras at the KIDS.

Edit: I think she wants admiration more than pity -- in one interview she said something like "if you have the desire and the passion, you take risks, so I took risks, and everything turned out perfectly."

That's pretty much a direct quote -- ("perfectly" in her mind taking no account of the fact the babies are so radically premature they can't suck and/or swallow yet....)

[slackmaster]

42. I feel sorry for her, for her mom, her stepfather, her children...

Her neighbors, the people who deal with her at the county HHS office...

Pretty much everyone involved.

[barb162]

43. That's what I suspect. She probably feels she can get more money this way.

[SeattleGirl]

6. While I don't agree with what she did (or what the fertility clinic did),

making death threats against this woman is completely fucked.

She made an irresponsible choice, IMHO, and the clinic - or specifically the doctor at the clinic -- was equally irresponsible. But death threats? Are you fucking kidding me?

She does not deserve that!

[madaboutharry]

7. Anyone making a death threat should be arrested.

I think that this woman is mentally ill and should never have been given the opportunity to have so many children. I also think that CPS needs to open an investigation. However, I can not believe that people are so ignorant as to threaten her life.

It is sad for me to read this kind of thing and be constatntly disappointed in people.

[uppityperson]

67. Exactly. Thank you. nt

[pacalo]

8. Not to worry, the media will find her.

Providing she has any sense at all, maybe something good will come out of this: giving the newborns up for adoption.

[NeedleCast]

10. Well, she got the circus she wanted

Didn't see this coming...

[Sal Minella]

21. I wonder -- was she trying to fast-track to being a one-woman Duggar family?

In one interview she said something like "Many couples do this, but it's not controversial, because they're couples" (with eye-roll) -- I have a feeling she's very disappointed in the public reaction to the media stories --

My Fristian guess is she would perceive any sort of disapproval as a "threat" now that things are not working out with the Big Donated House and New Appliances -- I think she she wanted to be praised as Supermother and instead, the media are castigating her for selfishness, and questioning her sanity -- she must feel very threatened at this point (I have a consult request in with Dr. Frist, will let you all know how this comes out.....:sarcasm:)

[Avalux]

11. Why would people make death threats? Call me a skeptic, but -

It's clear the only chance this woman has to keep all of her children and somehow manage to take care of them will be with a lot of public and/or private assistance. She hasn't been shy about wanting a tv show, book deal, money for interviews, etc.

What better way to keep her in the spotlight and make people feel sorry for her than claim death threats? WHERE on earth is she hiding without any money?

I think her publicist is working overtime.

[nc4bo]

41. I had the same thought. Desperate times require desperate measures.

The rollout hasn't exactly been a success. Time for plan B.

[barb162]

46. I suspect this is made up to gain her sympathy and money n/t

[AlCzervik]

12. i'm not sure i believe that.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. Is there any backwards writing on her face?

[moxie_1]

26. LMAO

:rofl:

[uppityperson]

68. You mean that "O", or is it an "8"? hard to tell.

[Andy823]

15. She has some serious problems

And needs help. I don't believe most of what she says.

[Sal Minella]

31. Chunks of what she says make no sense. She said she used the same sperm donor and the same doctor

for all six procedures, but the grandma told the press that the grandma and grandpa intervened and talked the fertility doc out of doing a sixth procedure. So I wonder if Nadya had a different doc for the octuplets, or no doc at all.....

[DainBramaged]

17. Her children are the victims here. They didn't deserve this worthless piece of shit.

[varkam]

22. Yeah. Let's kill her.

:sarcasm:

eta sarcasm tag

[krabigirl]

28. so when does the stoning commence?

[DainBramaged]

60. Oh, so you think this worthless piece of shit is .........

never mind, I get from your answer you hold this asshole blameless. Only on DU.

[varkam]

71. If you don't think someone is a worthless piece of shit, then you must hold them blameless.

Only on DU.

[ogneopasno]

19. Very sad, and judging from the vitriol I've seen against her, not surprising at all.

[XOKCowboy]

23. I heard that Oprah is giving her 2 Mil to come on her show

If true then her "hiding" options just expanded. How much did Dateline pay her? The tabloids?

My best friend is trying valiantly to have a child via IVF. I talked to her last night and she was livid at Nadya and the Fertility Clinic that allowed this to happen. She and her husband have spent years and tons of money qualifying for and having the IVF at her clinic. She's mad at the black cloud this has cast over IVF. I have to agree with her.

[barb162]

53. I think there is no cloud over IVF . It's just this one doc

who gave her these treatments. All the other docs who are speaking out ethically about this are talking about the one doc, not the whole field of IVF.

[arcadian]

62. She's even more controversial and even more in demand.

Sure people have had octuplets before, but have they had them and been this fucked up? Nope? That means there is a big story there and the media buzzards will pay millions to get this whackjob to sing. I'm not surprised Oprah would pay that much. Look at the guy who wrote the fake autobiography, she had him on, sold millions of books, found out he was a fake then had him on again, probably selling even more books. Oprah feeds on this kind of crap and you don't have to be a darling to make money at it. Look at Anna Nicole Smith. This chick's plan is going accordingly. The old saying stands, there is no such thing as bad publicity.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

24. This is why I believe death threats could be legit...

"According to the Los Angeles Times, the Kaiser Permanente hospital where the newborns remain is seeking reimbursement for the cost of their care from Medi-Cal, the state's health care program for the poor. Those costs are expected to reach into the hundreds of thousands of dollars, the newspaper said."

In these tense economic times, she's viewed as one more bailout. Then again, I don't trust slickie PR people.

This sounds like a possible solution:

"...one Indiana farmer has offered to have the whole family live with him and his family."

Put her ass to work on a farm. Oh wait, she sustained an on-the-job back injury and can't work. But magically, she can haul around 14 kids...

[krabigirl]

27. The people giving the death threats are as messed up as she is. Everyone involved needs help :(

[McCamy Taylor]

29. Death threats? For having babies? What is wrong with this country?

[ecstatic]

33. I don't believe her. How many lies has she already told?

Voluntary, unnecessary lies? I can't even keep track! Yes, she has been heavily criticized, but I doubt anyone out there wants to see her dead (then 14 kids have no mom).

[Kansas Wyatt]

35. Let me guess her next plot to accumulate money from the public...

'Some radical PRO-ABORTION groups have threatened to kill her and all of her children. She is now begging for help, due to these liberal hate groups.'

Yes, I do believe she is that screwed up, and would come up with complete BS like that to still cash in on her plan. Give her time, she'll get there. Even more shocking, the Christian Taliban would jump right in with support.

[slackmaster]

38. At this point there is nothing she could do that would get a negative spin from some people

Or from others. She's boxed in.

[Kansas Wyatt]

44. When people SEEK publicity, and she DID, they shouldn't have a thin skin.

I do not believe she received any threats, and if she did, they were probably the typical crackpots coming out of the wood work. She didn't know people in the news attract nut-jobs too? She has NOBODY to blame, but herself. She went on TV wanting all the attention, propped herself up on a pedestal, and lied, yet she wants help, while retaining the right to act like an expert of the highest integrity. Give the rest of us a break!

Sorry, but others who didn't cause their own problems, need help before her. As for her... The best thing she could do for her children and herself is to sign them up for adoption, since she chose to implant herself with that many babies knowing she could not care for or support them.

[barb162]

34. "not living off any taxpayer money" : food stamps, social security

Oh, those things come out of thin air, huh? I love the way she lies.

[slackmaster]

36. I'm not a real psychologist even in real life, but I think she has serious mental health issues

And maybe even post-partum depression at this point.

People should treat her with empathy and respect. She needs help.

[saltpoint]

47. Yes. According to the Huffington Post, she has been diagnosed with

several disorders.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/07/octuplet-mom-nadya-sulema_n_164858.html

[barb162]

54. I can't treat a con artist with respect.

Not possible.

As far as depression goes, she doesn't seem depressed at all in the interviews. She's delighted with her 14 "blessings." If there is any depression at all, maybe it is because the money isn't rolling in as fast as she thought it would?

She does need some really intensive therapy.

[AyanRand Is Dead]

39. Can someone please tell me why she has a spokesperson?

Huh?

[slackmaster]

40. Because she's unemployed, and collecting disability and food stamps.

She can't possibly afford a publicist or an agent on that kind of income.

[barb162]

55. To put a nicer, more professional spin on her mommy

(con artist) act and to sort through the best offers for money, book deals, etc.

[saltpoint]

48. Please, Octomom! Please come out of hiding and go on a book tour!

[TayTay]

49. There you are!

I like the name change.

Octomom! Wasn't she a villain in one of the Spiderman movies?

[saltpoint]

50. TayTay! Hi, and happy February.

Yep. I think she was. LOL!

[TayTay]

51. Happy February yourself!

Things are going well.

Octomom. And her OctoDoc? They were collaborators in this enterprise.

[saltpoint]

52. They were! And poor Aunt Mae. They took advantage of her sweet nature!

Let us weep for the innocent!

[Bryn]

56. Octomom may not be right, but

She and her children do need help. I feel compassion and hope the best for them that it will work out for them somehow yet at the same time it should not happen again like that. This situation is rare. It is not everyday thing. I've heard of many cases of women wanting the same thing (for one child), but were denied for several reasons and also very costly.

[saltpoint]

57. The next step is Octomom's, IMO. I'd like to hear from her that

she needs help. I think you're right that she does need it.

No one should tolerate death threats against others, no matter the topic.

[Incitatus]

58. I guess this story might elicit some sympathy.

true or not

[kskiska]

61. Will the money and gifts donated through her website be accounted for

and will it affect the amount she gets from welfare?

-----------

On another note, her IVF doctor has been investigated in the past for not paying taxes on cash payments for services, which he demands from non-insured patients. His former office manager has testified that her instructions were to give the cash to his wife.

[JI7]

63. she had the kids so she could get TV deals and other things

that bring in a lot of money. perhaps some network should do it. while people hate her and what she did they will tune in to the show.

[saltpoint]

64. As more medical ethicists weigh in on Octomom, we'll hear more of this:

http://airamerica.com/content/octomom

--or related / similar points.

[MrSlayer]

65. Why would someone want to kill her over this?

I mean she made a stupid, thoughtless choice but nothing worthy of murdering her. It's not like she was selling the kids to pedophiles or something.

[underseasurveyor]

69. She doesn't deserve death threats

despite her stupidity.