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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 07:26 PM
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Octuplets could be costly for taxpayers
latimes.com
http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-me-octuplets11-2009feb11,0,4385245.story
From the Los Angeles Times
Octuplets could be costly for taxpayers
As a single parent with no income, Nadya Suleman could receive thousands of dollars a month in government assistance. And the Medi-Cal bill for her newborns is mounting.
By Kimi Yoshino and Jessica Garrison

February 11, 2009

Nadya Suleman has 14 children, including newborn octuplets. She has no job, no income and owes $50,000 in student loans. Still, the 33-year-old Whittier woman said she's confident that she can afford to raise her huge family, insisting she can do it without welfare. In an interview Tuesday with NBC, she said she could use student loans to make ends meet until she finishes graduate school and gets a job. But Suleman faces what are likely to be millions of dollars in medical bills alone, and it's increasingly likely that taxpayers will foot many of those bills.

Her family is eligible for large sums of public assistance money. Even before she gave birth to the octuplets Jan. 26, Suleman was receiving $490 in monthly food stamps, and three of her children were receiving federal supplemental security income because they are disabled. Lowell Kepke, a spokesman for the San Francisco office of the Social Security Administration, said that a single parent with no income qualifies for up to $793 a month for each child with a physical or mental condition that results in "marked or severe functional limitations." That money is used for support and maintenance of the family, and Suleman would not be required to specifically account for how it is spent. If Suleman's disabled children received the maximum payment, she would get nearly $2,900 a month in state and federal assistance, including the food stamps. Suleman's octuplets qualify for Medi-Cal, California's healthcare program for the poor. Three sources told The Times that Kaiser Permanente Medical Center in Bellflower had requested reimbursement for care of the eight premature infants.

Reimbursement rates for the octuplets were not immediately available. However, 2007 records show that Southern California hospitals received an average of $1,198 per day, per patient... Using the 2007 average as a low estimate, Kaiser would be eligible for a combined $9,584 per day in Medi-Cal reimbursement. The babies, who are 16 days old, have already racked up a conservative $153,344 in Medi-Cal costs, not including their delivery. Kaiser doctors have said they will remain hospitalized for seven to 12 weeks. If they stay for seven weeks, the cost would be $469,616. If they stay 12 weeks, the cost would be $805,056. Kaiser gathered 46 doctors, nurses and other medical professionals together to perform the delivery. It's unclear how much that cost and who will pay.

Suleman told NBC that she planned to go back to Cal State Fullerton, where she is earning a master's degree in counseling. Once she receives the degree, she said, she will get a job and be able to financially support the children. Suleman used to work as a psychiatric technician at Metropolitan State Hospital, where she suffered an injury in 1999. During a riot involving 20 people, a patient overturned a heavy wooden desk on her back. After the incident, Suleman only briefly returned to work and she continued to experience ongoing back problems from a herniated disc. Between 2000 and 2008, she received $169,353 in temporary disability payments, a workers' compensation spokeswoman said.

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and in a related story


Nadya Suleman's website takes PayPal donations! Duh.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/thedishrag/2009/02/nadya-sulemans.html
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 07:29 PM
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1. Just as I predicted - this is going to be used against public assistance.
:mad:
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 07:34 PM
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5. And to take the heat off the real "welfare criminals:" the CEOs. n/t
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 07:36 PM
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8. I just wonder how she could afford fertility treatments while using food stamps
It just baffles the mind. I'm trying not to judge her but she is making it hard for people who genuinely need help and aren't trying to milk the system for all it's worth.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 08:40 PM
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13. Supposedly she used the $165K that she got when she was injured
while working at a psych ward.

Which is probably one reason for the multiples. Every treatment is about $20K, so it is "cheaper" to have all the remaining embryos implanted during once procedure than to get them all in 3 or 4 ones.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 07:30 PM
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2. But you can't throw the baby(s) out with the bathwater...
Finding an extraordinary, and extraordinarily rare, case of abuse is a right-wingers wet dream. This woman is the new poster girl of welfare queens in the wingers movement to steamroll entitlements. Sad.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 07:39 PM
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9. Well, her nails were finely manicured!
I work hard and haven't had a manicure in almost 15 years and that was a gift for my wedding. She's definitely making it bad for people who need the help and don't use the system for their own personal gain. Very sad!
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Last Stand Donating Member (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 07:33 PM
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3. Remember, "money is just paper" nt
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 07:33 PM
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4. California should simply pass the bills along to the doctor and the clinic
go after them like a deadbeat dad- which is essentially what they are.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 07:36 PM
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7. considering that doctor was the one who fertilized her *6* times
I think the state SHOULD go after him as if he was a deadbeat Dad.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 07:36 PM
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6. Well duh.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 07:40 PM
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10. Where are the usual Pro-Life bigmouths? Not much to say this time.
he,heh.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 08:00 PM
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11. Some pro-choice are quiet about this choice as well
It may be her choice to have kids constantly but I don't like working to pay someone to have kids.....The trouble is once the kids are born you can't really abandon them. If you forbid her having 8 more kids than its a choice issue - or is it? Should people have to be able to pay to raise children or can they have as many children as they want regardless of jobs or potential income.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 08:43 PM
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14. Right. She is ruining it for people who really need assistance
and for pro-choice.

I cringe when I hear Dr. Kaplan, for example, who claim that, yes, doctors have a right and should tell a woman how many kids she can have. But when it comes to dump everything on tax payers, especially in on the verge of bankruptcy California - one has to pause.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 09:14 PM
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18. It's their ultimate Catch-22
A woman who chose to bring all these lives into the world, but with nothing to provide for them.

I suppose they'll just say "They're born, fuck'em" like they always do.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 08:00 PM
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12. What's next?...water is wet?
:)
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 08:48 PM
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15. well guess it won't surprise you she has a webpage to ask for donations now
Edited on Wed Feb-11-09 08:52 PM by Generic Other
http://www.thenadyasulemanfamily.com/

won't she lose her welfare if she takes money?

also, she conceived all those babies while being on disability for an on-the-job injury. For years, unable to work but plenty healthy enough to pop out kids.

She told Ann Curry she planned to raise the kids on student loans when she returns to school in the fall. She also says the student daycare will care for the kids.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 08:52 PM
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16. I'd love to read the comments
:evilgrin:
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 11:19 PM
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20. So would I
Unfortunately her page is not set up that way. You can only comment to her, not read others' comments.

What I would like to know more is, how many comments will be like mine.
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Bryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 08:58 PM
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17. I read that all of her 14 kids have one same father
Her ex husband or boyfriend? Also were eggs hers or did she have to use egg donors?
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 09:15 PM
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19. Scariest line: "she is earning a master's degree in counseling"
Lovely...people are going to need more counseling after they go thru HER counseling.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 11:35 PM
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21. the money isn't much , it's more the stupidity of the whole thing
even parents who are well off would have a hard time taking care of this many young kids. it's impossible.

the Duggars who are now cashing in with the tv show also can't care for all the kids themselves. the older kids look after the younger ones. but even there at least they were able to do it all in the family.

in the face of this octomom all of her kids are too young to care for younger ones. the whole thing is a total mess. even with all the money she had the only way you can deal with it is if you hire others to pretty much be the parent .
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