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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 04:40 PM
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Please join me in TOASTING Abraham Lincoln's 200th Birthday!!!
Edited on Thu Feb-12-09 04:46 PM by Land Shark

Happy 200th Birthday, February 12, 2009, to Abraham Lincoln.



What better way to raise a toast to Abraham Lincoln than with his own words (and three very choice guest toasters!)



To Abraham Lincoln, who, relating to the importance of transparency and the public’s “right to know” concerning government said:

What kills a skunk is the publicity it gives itself.


To Abraham Lincoln, who, on the proper relation of God and humans, never assuming anything:

We trust, sir, that God is on our side. It is more important to know that we are on God's side.


To Abraham Lincoln, who, on his “do-gooder” religion, said:

When I do good, I feel good. When I do bad, I feel bad. That's my religion. {…and on another occasion he wrote…} “I care not much for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it.”


In these quotes above, Lincoln echoed Thomas Paine, the architect of the American Revolution and author of “Common Sense” who wrote:

“Independence is my happiness, and I view things as they are, without regard to place or person; my country is the world, and my religion is to do good.”


To Abraham Lincoln, who, reminding us that Rome was not built in a day, nor the business of America finished by the writing of the Declaration of Independence or the mere adoption of the Constitution, said:

"I leave you, hoping that the lamp of liberty will burn in your bosoms until there shall no longer be a doubt that all men are created free and equal."


To Abraham Lincoln, who, on the proper attitude regarding compromise of basic principles, said:

Important principles may and must be inflexible.


the question of extending the slavery under the national auspices, --I am inflexible. I am for no compromise which assists or permits the extension of the institution on soil owned by the nation


The probability that we may fail in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just; it shall not deter me.


To Abraham Lincoln, who, on the weakness of conservatism, said:

What is conservatism? Is it not adherence to the old and tried, against the new and untried?


To Abraham Lincoln, who, on the primary source of his political ideas, said:

I have never had a feeling politically that did not spring from the sentiments embodied in the Declaration of Independence.


To Abraham Lincoln, who, explaining that the genius of the Declaration of Independence was not something to be accomplished in a single generation, said:

It was not the mere matter of separation of the colonies from the motherland; but something in the Declaration giving liberty, not alone to the people of this country, but hope to the world for all future time. It was that which gave promise that in due time the weights should be lifted from the shoulders of all men, and that all should have an equal chance. This is the sentiment embodied in that Declaration of Independence.


To Abraham Lincoln, who, on the hope of democracy, said:

Why should there not be a patient confidence in the ultimate justice of the people? Is there any better or equal hope in the world?


To Abraham Lincoln, who, on whether elections should be suspended in time of war or national emergency (like the Civil War) said:

We can not have free government without elections; and if the rebellion could force us to forego, or postpone a national election, it might fairly claim to have already conquered and ruined us.


To Abraham Lincoln, who, applying the Golden Rule to slavery just as we might apply it to torture in our day, said:

I have always thought that all men should be free; but if any should be slaves, it should first be those who desire it for themselves, and secondly those who desire it for others. Whenever I hear anyone arguing for slavery, I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally.


To Abraham Lincoln, who, on the decisive importance of idealism in core American rights and values, implicitly identifying the Golden Rule (which inheres in various forms in all known spiritual traditions) as the bedrock foundation of equality, and why Equality is the path for the Nation to follow, said:

We, even we here, hold the power and bear the responsibility. In giving freedom to the slave, we assure freedom to the free -- honorable alike in what we give and what we preserve. We shall nobly save or meanly lose the last, best hope of earth. Other means may succeed; this could not fail. The way is plain, peaceful, generous, just -- a way which if followed the world will forever applaud and God must forever bless.


To Abraham Lincoln, who,, on what corrupts human beings, including Americans, said:

“Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.”


Abraham Lincoln, on where the gravest threats to America shall come from:

At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and its finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time or die by suicide.


Abraham Lincoln, on which author he’s most inspired to read:

I never tire of reading Paine.


Abraham Lincoln, in his First Inaugural Address:

This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember, or overthrow it.


To Abraham Lincoln, who, on why the American Revolution was a real revolution, replacing power of, by, and for the people in place of the “divine right” of kings to rule, said:

Our Declaration of Independence has been copied by emerging nations around the globe, its themes adopted in places many of us have never heard of. Here is this land, for the first time, it was decided that man is born with certain God-given rights. We the people declared that government is created by the people for their own convenience. Government has no power except those voluntarily granted it by the people. There have been revolutions before and since ours, revolutions that simply exchanged one set of rulers for another. Ours was a philosophical revolution that changed the very concept of government.


To Abraham Lincoln, who, on humanity and virtue, on “good people” and “bad people”, said:

It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues.


To Abraham Lincoln, who, on the essence of public service as President, said:

I am, as you know, only the servant of the People.


To Abraham Lincoln, who, on the American can-do attitude, said:

Determine that the thing can and shall be done, and then we shall find the way.


Abraham Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address – one that needs no introduction:

Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal. Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this. But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.



To Abraham Lincoln, and to Poet Carl Sandburg, who said, to a joint session of Congress in 1959:

"Not often in the story of mankind does a man arrive on earth who is both steel and velvet, who is hard as a rock and soft as a drifting fog, who holds in his heart and mind the paradox of terrible storm and peace unspeakable and perfect.”




Finally, to a Russian, author Leo Tolstoy, someone who had no particular cause, nor patriotic urge, to reach across oceans to give praise to a President of a foreign country, may have put things about Lincoln in the most remarkable perspective, and shall have the honor of the final 200th birthday Toast: He said, putting it all into the context of world history:

“The greatness of Napoleon, Caesar or Washington is only moonlight by the sun of Abraham Lincoln. His example is universal and will last thousands of years. … He was bigger than his country, bigger than all Presidents put together… and as a great character he will live as long as the world lives.”
–Leo Tolstoy


So, let us all toast to Abe Lincoln (and the latest to issue from the land of Lincoln!)


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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 04:43 PM
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1. Watch this fantastic documentary "Looking for Lincoln" w / Henry Louis Gates:
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 04:47 PM
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3. WILL DO! Thanks for the link! nt
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 04:20 PM
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35. the Russians adore Lincoln. He also was intensely funny, liked to
joke and tell dirty jokes. When told someone wanted to tar and feather him, he said, "If it weren't for the feathers I would forgo the honor."

That's our great man. :-D
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-09 08:57 PM
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40. Now, that's funny.
lmao
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2 Much Tribulation Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 04:45 PM
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2. I'll raise a glass for every one of those myself!
Give me a few days though. :) Others, better than I, work more quickly! ;)
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 04:55 PM
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4. Abe didn't care much for booze.
When the town of Linoln, IL chose to name their town after him he used watermelon juice instead of champange to commerate the event. I do like that quote by Tolstoy.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 05:03 PM
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7. Interesting, but etiquette books say toasts don't require alcohol, see
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Sequoia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 05:16 PM
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11. Agreed.
When I was in jr. high I did a tost with some of the girls I was working with and an adult said you can only toast with an alcoholic beverage!!! Yeah, sure...like I'm wasn't 21 yet either and booze was the drink of sinners at that school. No Bound For Glory train for you!!
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 04:55 PM
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5. I heard a simple comment today - common parlance was United States "are". Post Lincoln it became
the United States "is". The point being that he set a standard about the nation as one entity, not a collection of states. It was a stretch at the time, for obvious reasons.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 05:01 PM
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6. i.e. "WE" means ALL the people not just some in "We the People"
He was pursuing/following the logic of the Declaration of Independence, as Jefferson urged future generations to do.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 05:10 PM
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10. Yeah, he took the the Declaration and the Constitution at their face value.
His genius, I think, was making them common parlance, "news" as it was at the time. A deft job as thousands died in the Civil War. It must have been horrendous.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 09:28 PM
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28. about 650,000 died in civil war, which is why it wasn't reasonable for Const to eliminate slavery
Think of the post-Revolutionary War period: the country highly armed in all colonies, war-weary, and trying to keep an infant union together...
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 05:07 PM
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8. And Happy 200th BD to Charles Darwin, also!
It's amazing that these two were born on the same day.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 05:08 PM
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9. And NAACP is 100 today.
:)
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pink-o Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 05:44 PM
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17. Both had amazing lives, finding themselves responsible for watershed changes
in their societies. Both fought clinical depression, but understood the burdens circumstance had place upon them.

I'll let the astrologers speculate about the similarities and parallel paths.
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 05:17 PM
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12. Recommended read: "Lincoln"
by Gore Vidal. Great book.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 05:33 PM
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14. See also the movie made from it
Really good for a TV-movie, and it follows Vidal's book rather well. Every word Lincoln spoke in the book, I believe, is an exact quotation.
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 06:34 AM
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30. Someday...
I definitely will. Until now I was only familiar with Vidal's non-fiction essays and polemics. What I like about the book is the way he humanizes Mary Todd Lincoln, and Lincoln himself, not making him a deity, but it does seem that he wrote the book in awe of Lincoln's political savvy, arcane as it was at times.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 05:35 PM
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15. On the list it goes!
Thanks!
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 05:32 PM
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13. A toast to the man
who my great-great grandfathers voted for--and fought for.

My mom grew up in a small village where Lincoln stayed while riding the 8th Judicial Circuit--she tells of an aged neighbor who said Lincoln was as funny as people said, and who was very kind to her and all small children.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 05:39 PM
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16. Hm
"Any people, anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable and most sacred right - a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people that can, may revolutionize, and make their own, of so many of the territory as they inhabit."

Abraham Lincoln
January 12, 1848.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 09:26 PM
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27. Provided it is not on the basis of violating inalienable rights like those against slavery
because nobody can enslave, or torture, and everyone has a cause for action against such violations.
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tilsammans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 05:49 PM
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18. Great stuff! Thanks for posting.
:toast:
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 06:17 PM
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19. Great!
Thank you for posting this.

Nominated!
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PlanetBev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 06:38 PM
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20. A toast to the birthday boy!
Many more, Abe :beer: :toast: :party:

You too, Darwin and NAACP!

Take that, Wingnuts!
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 06:43 PM
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21. To Abe!
:toast:
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 07:06 PM
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22. To Abe Lincoln!
:toast:

Hurrah for the choice of the nation!
Our chieftain so brave and so true;
We'll go for the great reformation,
For Lincoln and Liberty too.

We'll go for the Son of Kentucky,
The hero of Hoosierdom through;
The pride of the suckers so lucky,
For Lincoln and Liberty too.

They'll find what by felling and mauling,
Our rail-maker statesman can do;
For the people are everywhere calling
For Lincoln and Liberty too.

Then up with our banner so glorious,
The star-spangled red, white and blue,
We'll fight till our banner is victorious,
For Lincoln and Liberty too.

Our David's good sling is unerring
The Slavocrat's giant he slew
Then shout for the freedom preferring
For Lincoln and Liberty too

We'll go for the Son of Kentucky,
The hero of Hoosierdom through;
The pride of the suckers so lucky,
For Lincoln and Liberty too.

("Suckers" in this context refers to residents of Illinois.)

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 08:22 PM
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23. Kick
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 08:23 PM
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24. To the Great Emancipator!
:toast:
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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 08:32 PM
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25. I join you with this LTTE in defense of Lincoln
The commentary linked below (very critical of Lincoln) appeared in today's Chicago Tribune.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-oped0212abefeb12,0,1077120.story

In respnse I fired off this letter:


In his Commentary (Taking the gloss off the Great Emacipator, Feb 12) Jeffrey Rogers Hummel argues that Lincoln's "determination to hold the Union together with military force was an explicit rejection of the revolutionary right of self-determination" embodied in the Declaration of Independence. This is ironic, because Lincoln often cited the "inalienable rights" of the Declaration in his speeches against slavery.

The Confederate cause violated the sacred spirit of the Declaration, and they were rebelling not against an imposed tyranny but against the representative democracy of which they were members with full rights.

Without Abraham Lincoln the United States would have broken into regional adversaries, fighting over the unsettled lands of this continent and much less capable of defeating fascism and communism in the 20th century.

All Americans owe a tremendous debt of gratitude to the 16th president.
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norepubsin08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 08:59 PM
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26. I'm with you...
My family and I are from Tacoma, Washington...we just had the honor of being in Washington DC this past weekend and was at the Lincoln Memorial both during the day and at night. Our hotel was four blocks from Ford's Theater and the Peterson Boarding House where Lincoln died the next day after being shot. It was wonderful seeing all of that. I just wished more Republicans were like him!!!
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 11:07 PM
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29. "Determine that the thing can and shall be done, and then we shall find the way. "
Yes we can.

Nicely done, Land Shark!

Cheers to you on this anniversary.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 08:55 AM
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31. A treasure trove, Paul. Thank you for them.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-09 02:16 AM
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36. I probably owe you more thanks, but OK, thanks for that!! :) nt
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-09 07:34 PM
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37. Nonsense, Paul. I'm flattered you give me the time of day.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-09 08:55 PM
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39. Doing the math with GMT and all that ain't all that easy for some of us!! :) nt
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 06:56 PM
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43. Very good! Didn't get it at first.
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2 Much Tribulation Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 07:03 PM
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44. For some reason, I'd CERTAINLY give the time 'o day to KCabotDullesMarxIII
whether formerly known as such, or not... :) Why this is the case, I'm not sure...
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 03:57 PM
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47. Thank you for that wonderfully backhanded compliment, 2 Much Tribulation!!! I only wish
you had half your tribulations! But I mean that in the NICEST possible way!!!! Seriously, best wishes!
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 09:18 AM
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32. Abe would be condemned as a "socialist" by the GOP today.
He was very critical of the power of Capital and said that is must me subservient to Labor.
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 09:38 AM
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33. Kick for an absolutely wonderful post
Puts everything in perspective, doesn't it? It's a shame the current Republicans can't act like their party's original leader.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 12:53 PM
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34. Thank you, and yes, it does put things into perspective. nt
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-09 08:13 PM
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38. I'd like to send a Valentine in the spirit of agape to Abe Lincoln today, with this kick! nt
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-09 09:07 PM
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41. To brilliant Abe
Cheers and Happy Birthday!

I second the suggestion to read anything related to Abe: his own writing is incredibly inspiring in terms of his ability to argue all sides until he came to a conclusion...and you are left breathless in awe of his intellect and language skills....

I just know if a man whispered one of Lincoln's writings or speeches to me late at night, it would be all over...:-)

I heart Lincoln!

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2 Much Tribulation Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 07:06 PM
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45. Your post reads 907pm (late at night) so it's "all over." Do Tell DU of any whispers!!! :) nt
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 08:34 PM
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46. Can u believe not a one??? Still hoping:-) nt
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-09 09:14 PM
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42. Not a bad guy considering he's a flatlander and all.
Edited on Sat Feb-14-09 09:15 PM by Ellipsis
Nah... just kidding.


To Abe Lincoln:toast:


Hello Paul.:hi: Gobama!
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