Something's going down...something big.

[PCIntern]

A discerning ear can distinguish the sotto voce whispers which are occasinally reported in the MSM, constantly on the Web: those which speak of scandal, of investigations, and of impeachment. But there's something else afoot I believe: the silence from the usual right-wing pundits and their hired help in the Congress speaks volumes - the great psychologist Harry Stack Sullivan once wrote that you can tell more from what people do NOT say than from what they DO say. For all the talk of hearings, investigations, possible impeachments, and these discussions often emanate from Republicans themselves, you do not hear the blasting hue and cry of the chronically abusive, defamatory right wing. The usual goofball suspects, the Rush-Hannity-O'Reilly crowd is losing their collective breaths and appear winded.

It's not what we are hearing now which is going to be the 'straw' which will break the back of this administration, it is the story which the insiders are afraid, but know now will inevitably, come out. What this is going to be is anyone's guess at this point. No scenario is too unbelievable, including 9/11, spy networks - both foreign and domestic, lying about wars, even extraterrestrials for the true Tinfoilers - we will find out, and soon.

I recall this occurring right as the Watergate Scandal was nearing its zenith, and then Ford pardoned Nixon and the balloon burst, deflating our hopes of finding out what was really going on all those years. This time, they may not be so fortunate.

[robinlynne]

1. I hope!

[moodforaday]

60. May not be good. May be

something about the economy. Anyone with 47 minutes to spare could do worse than watch this on Google video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9050474362583451279&q=Money+as+Debt

"Money as Debt", a short animated documentary on the current monetary/banking system. Presented in a cool, factual manner, so it doesn't raise your blood pressure too much until you think of the implications after the movie's over. For those who've seen Aaron Russo's "Freedom to Fascism", this covers the same area, but from a more theoretical and impersonal POV.

I am pretty certain also that this, not the various physical evidence, should be the starting point for any 9-11 expose; too bad it's not as catchy as "hunt the Boeing". But it's certainly more rational and way, way scarier.

[IWantAChange]

2. More than anything else the blogosphere will help to find out some of what is going on...

[PCIntern]

5. IMO this is bigger than big...

the 'Truth is already out there'...it's already on the blogosphere.

The question is...will it be verified somehow. Rest assurred, the theories have already been profferred. Dome here on DU, others elsewhere.

[donkeyotay]

11. There is enough truth out there that it's going to get a lot better or a lot worse

I think we're at a tipping point. The corruption in the WH is getting a little hard to ignore. Even the base is getting restless, with the GOP party of crime showing a 15% drop in affiliation. There is no way that they will be able to claim that the 2008 election is soooo close and then steal it. They're moving on.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

21. precisely. It worked with Gonzo, it will work on other hot issues, too

the bloggersphere is also scaring the crap out of MSM, who can't dictate what constitutes news. A few of them still decry netroots, et al, but as their boredcasts get more nicole oriented, and as more people search out information and news on alternative sites (because the pap that poses as news is indigestable) their cries show some desperation.

Politico is an example of trying to reinvent ones self and to become relevant again, but pity they are too in love with Bushista policies. TribCo's failure to sell, even after is asschopping at the LATimes, is a very serious sign.

MBAism has a lot to do with what is wrong in the news, but as you say, our solution is the blogosphere (not to be confused with the soon to be indicted gov. of Illinois)

[annabanana]

3. lol.. The silence on the right side of the Hill is just because all

the culpable GOPers have begun to lawyer up. There are so many who went away out on that rotten limb and are poking around with their toes for some solid footing to find their way back to the ground..

(And some of them, like Wiley Coyote, have forgotten rule #1 of cartoon physics.. i.e. DON'T LOOK DOWN!)

[glitch]

19. Lol! Poor Wiley, he always looked. nt

[Wiley50]

39. Don't Frickin' Blame It On Me! n/t

[glitch]

66. You think you've got probs? You wouldn't believe what they try and blame on me! :) nt

[valerief]

4. Martial law is coming? I don't think the MIHOP 9-11 details will ever see

the light of day.

[damntexdem]

34. But they're also losing the martial support.

Can they trust a military that is increasingly upset at Dubya to impose martial law? If they do and it does, can they be sure it will do their bidding?

[valerief]

44. I can't believe they've been doing his bidding this long! Oh, well, the

real Bush military—the contractors—will do anything for money, even for Bush.

[panader0]

6. "Follow the money" Deep Throat on 'All The Presidents Men"

It's the same now...

[PCIntern]

8. Deep Throat was the vehicle

for the deposing of Nixon...today's kids would call it the 'cheat' on a video game. When stymied, they, meaning the insiders, got the Post and our boy Woodward, back on track.

[loudsue]

41. The internet is the new DEEP (VERY DEEP) THROAT.

There are some MIGHTY investigators on the internet (I can think of at least 6 DUers who are absolutely top of the line), and they are doing the work that the media formerly did, but still gets paid for ( :puke: ) . Internet sleuths are able to research and find out where the skeletons are buried, and how the money gets traced. Look at Carlyle, Plame, 9/11, Elections Fraud... ALL of these investigations have traced the crimes back, not only to the money, but to the people behind the people committing crimes, and all of the people behind the criminals, of course, keep popping up over & over again.

This time, we've not only got DEEP THROAT, but we can get the messages out that the Washington Post PROBABLY kept off the front pages during Watergate. In other words, the internet is EDITOR-FREE, and if one blogger is inclined to shelter a buddy who might be close to an investigation, another blogger will out that "buddy" sooner or later anyway.

That's why, this time, we need to take down the criminals once and for all, and not let any presidential "pardons" take away our ability to nail the crooks.

Please, DUers, PLEASE e-mail your congresscritters, and ask for a new bill to prevent presidential pardons from being valid for a president's own staff or cabinet, or any people whose crimes (like Abramoff) lead back to the office or staff of the president or congressmen (DeLay). Crimes against our government should NOT qualify for a pardon.

:kick::kick::kick:

[PCIntern]

57. yes and

it was the NYT especially which downplayed Watergate for a very long time. they paid the price in the short run.

[ewagner]

7. With all due respect.....

The RW nutjobs haven't been silent...they've been attacking as usual....the inside-the-beltway-talking-heads are still spewing RW bullshit at an alarming rate.....

Every few months a well-intentioned DUer will come up with a post to the effect of "I've got this feeling that something is about to happen". I've been there too (hell, I think I actually posted that once..).....It's a collective sense of anticipation coupled with a healthy dose of "wishful thinking".

I'm not criticising....in many regards I hope you are right.

[PCIntern]

9. I understand and respect your post

but this time the attacks are shallow and falling on deaf ears. It's quantitatively and qualitatively different, IMO.

Thanks for the thought and the polite criticism...I'm appreciative.

[ewagner]

38. Thanks....and

I would LOVE TO SEE a completer Conservative Meltdown!

[saltpoint]

10. According to those early reports, Jeff Gannon visited the White House

over 200 times.

I'd be interested to know just whose office he dropped in on for those visits.

http://rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/slaughter_conyers_gannon_response_425.htm

[Catherine Vincent]

12. Speaking of Jeff Gannon.....

[blogslut]

14. I bet AOL keeps that page up

It's all about the traffic, baby!

Good old Jimmy D. Guckert. A whole lot of nothing that turned out to be something.

[PCIntern]

50. This is why they went after Clinton for Sex...

they know and understand this stuff with respect to blackmail and exposure. They didn't count on the fact that Americans don't much care what other people do in their bedrooms or Oval Ofices.

[Cabcere]

52. AOL?

I'd think it would be Mark Foley keeping the...oh, never mind, that's just inappropriate. :P :spank:

[saltpoint]

17. The Freedom of Information Act won that info on his visits. My question

is why he was visiting on days when there was no press conference?

If he's a journalist, why does he have unfettered access to the White House when others in the press corps do not?

And if his role there is NOT as a journalist, which offices was he dropping in on?

[BonnieJW]

27. My guess

Karl Rove
Scott McClellan (sp?)
Ken Melman
George Bush

[saltpoint]

29. Have no idea myself, but in the BEST of scenarios it appears that he

was given a higher role as a journalist than the rest of the press corps.

And the White House has never offered a good explanation of how come.

[Az_lefty]

36. Karl Rove, hence the name "Turd Blossom"

[Maraya1969]

13. Hell my Republican mother just stays silent every time I bring up what's going down.

She used to fight back. Now she just says nothing and I think it is because she is frustrated and probably mad at her own party.

When my mother shuts up something is very wrong.

[Tom Joad]

15. Impeachment is off the table. War with Iran is on the table. Pelosi has spoken.

[soulcore]

20. Exactly, meet the new boss, same as the old boss. n/t

[Robbien]

16. Excuse me but the American Government and the RNC being one and the same

is not a big enough scandel for you?

[NoAmericanTaliban]

18. RW pundits have shifted to the attack mode

which is what they are best at. They have always had a hard time defending gov't and those Republicans in charge. Now that the dems have congress any little thing wrong about the gov't will be blamed on them.

An example would be when one of the top officials at homeland security was found to have been involved in child porn - but most folks didn't even hear about this. If this had happened under a dem administration then they would have made sure everyone knew about it. That is their real power - setting the agenda by keeping certain things off the discussion table and focusing on distraction issues about their 'enemies'.

The real discussion is why Bush Co officials are not all in jail by now. They are criminals and should be charged as such for a myriad of crimes they have committed such as outing a cia operative, starting an illegal war, etc. Once the dems in congress get through with the investigations the real truth may come out.

[GliderGuider]

22. I'd put money on this:

When the last layer of wrapping paper is taken off the last present, and "some assembly required" is complete, we'll be looking at 9/11.

[kath]

43. Interesting that Kucinich announced today (or very recently) that he wants to begin

looking into the discrepancies in the 9/11 commission's report...

[WinkyDink]

67. Bushco better have steel that won't melt from jet fuel. Heh.

[Mr. Ected]

23. The Scandal Is There, But the American People Have Lost Interest

I don't disagree that there's a feeling in the air of impending Republican implosion, but at the same time, I don't think America feels connected enough to ETHICS IN GOVERNMENT to give momentum to any Democratic response. The 29%-ers will continue to hang onto to an illusion, and the rest of our citizens will either be vigilant, a la DU, or apathetic, a la the majority.

I wish it wasn't the case, but if it's not sexual, not National Enquirer fodder, it's not going to interest the American public.

[GliderGuider]

25. You drastically underestimate your fellow countrymen.

I am getting the feeling from other boards I visit that Americans now feel more connected to the notion of ethics in government than they have since Watergate. Don't sell them short.

[Mr. Ected]

33. I Certainly Hope You're Right

But until proven otherwise, I will look back on 2004 and remember how the blogosphere had all but decimated Bush-Cheney.

And we all know how that ended up.

[GliderGuider]

37. It ain't just the blogosphere any more.

You got yourselves some Democratic Congresscritters with gavels. I don't think Waxman, Leahy or Conyers will let a bit of apathy stand between them and Doing the Right Thing.
I know I haven't had so much fun since the pigs ate my sister :party:

[Mr. Ected]

40. I Have Friends All Over the Globe I'd Celebrate With

If the Bush cabal was brought to its knees.

World Party!!!

[trumad]

24. Uh---Isn't Sullivan a psychiatrist, not a psychologist?

Big diff ya know?

Herbert "Harry" Stack Sullivan (February 21, 1892, Norwich, New York – January 14, 1949, Paris, France) was an American psychiatrist whose work in psychoanalysis was based on direct and verifiable observation (versus the more abstract conceptions of the unconscious mind favored by Sigmund Freud and his disciples).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Stack_Sullivan

[PCIntern]

31. Apologies extended...

Long day in the trenches here drilling and filling.

Thank you.

[pat_k]

26. "I have not seen a president so isolated from his own party. . ." -- Bob Novak

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=506210&mesg_id=506210

[Hepburn]

28. It feels like Watergate.

I am a senior and when Watergate was coming down, I was an adult ~~ out of college and teaching HS at the time. I remember it well as to what it felt like. There was a certain feeling in the air when the tide turned very decidedly against Nixon. You could literally taste it, feel it and smell it.

That feeling is coming back on me now. Why? One of the main reasons is my friends who until now were basically politcally disinterested. All of a sudden, this has caught fire with some and others are beginning to ask questions. They all know politics has always been a passion with me, but I 99% of the time avoided any discussion with most of my pals due to their lack of interest. Now? They are asking and there is interest. One is watching the Sen and House hearings and discussing details of the pending issues on things like the US Atty firings. Things like this NEVER happened in the past.

It has begun to catch fire. I can only hope that it brings BushCo crashing down like a house of cards.

[CTyankee]

45. We're probably about the same age. I feel as you do and I hope

you are right! Sometimes I think that impeachment is the only way to save our country. We've got to get rid of this administration!

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

30. I understand what you're saying.

On the other hand, we've had posts of this sort since the very early days of the * administration, and they have always proven untrue.

[Blue_In_AK]

32. I want two stolen elections completely exposed. n/t

[catmandu57]

35. I've never went for tinfoil

but, you're right there is something that's going to come out, something that was never meant to see the light of day. The silence is very telling, the swagger is going out, last week when the chimp* had his angry stage show, I saw fear in his face, not anger. The deer in the headlights look is going to become clearer and clearer.

[Shine]

42. Yes, there is the sense of a big shift occuring.

we are certainly living in interesting times, it's true. :D

[Kazak]

46. I hate to nitpick you, but just wanted to be sure I follow you...

By "sotto", did you meant to say "subtle?" If I simply misunderstood your meaning, then my apologies.

Aside from that, yeah, I sure hope your spidey sense is correct. :thumbsup:

[PCIntern]

47. A stage whisper...as it were.

Note that on Wolfie this afternoon, they're doing a whole piece on Impeachment. Then, of course they look for ecuses why he's not impeachable - what they call a 'reality check' so don't worry, he's here to stay. We'll see.

[Pathwalker]

48. Heard on NPR: Susan Ralston is missing.

oops.

[PCIntern]

49. Things just get curiouser and curiouser....

soon...Hoo nose?

The rate of change is increasing rapidly. Can't keep up with all the news...

[elehhhhna]

51. sleeping w/ the fishes, no doubt.

Bada BING!

[Canuckistanian]

53. I listened to Rush for about an hour

No mention of these HUGH developments

Talked about Al Gore, then denied Global Warming some more, then straight into a "feminazi" rant.

Did he not talk at all about the USA scandal?

[PCIntern]

54. HE DARE NOT SPEAK OF THESE THINGS!

They are ready to explode in their faces and he's busy ducking and feinting. As much as that fat slob can do that now.

on eidt: how can you listen to him ofr that long? Here we have that moran Smerconish---I'm good for about 8 minutes.

[Canuckistanian]

61. I've been listening to him for years

I have to get myself into a Zen state when he starts spouting obvious bullshit, but I find it very telling what the RW is "thinking" on any particular issue.

Of course, he's doing nothing but regurgitating RNC talking points, but sometimes it's interesting to hear the rationalizations of these atrocities being committed.

It's almost like being in a Shrub cabinet meeting. Although even Rush doesn't say "nukUlar"

[Robbien]

55. The thread over at freeperville

was full of people very upset that Rush picked today of all days to put out a fluff show.

He blathered on and on about himself from what the freepers said.

[PCIntern]

56. See...

things are coalescing and there's BIG TROUBLE all over Rethug-land. Stay tuned!!

[Canuckistanian]

62. REALLLLY? That's interesting.

VERY interesting.

Seems like ol' MahaRushie has been told to clam up.

Delicious.

[Morgana LaFey]

58. What?

This makes no sense to me:

I recall this occurring right as the Watergate Scandal was nearing its zenith, and then Ford pardoned Nixon and the balloon burst, deflating our hopes of finding out what was really going on all those years. This time, they may not be so fortunate.

Maybe we just have different ideas of what the "zenith" was. For me, it was Nixon's resignation.

Maybe my memory just doesn't serve me very well here. Are you saying there were efforts afoot to prosecute him and others beyond his resignation, and the pardon ended that?

[PCIntern]

59. yes of course....

lots was coming out at the end. There would have been more.

[Canuckistanian]

63. Ford "pardoning" Nixon.

You're right. NOTHING eclipsed that summer day in 1974.

The resignation was on Aug. 8th. 1974.

The "pardon" (even though no pending lawsuits or investigations were active) was on Sept. 8th, 1974.

One whole month.

The American people, by and large, were convinced that the whole affair had been wrapped up neatly.

The "pardon" was a political afterthought.

Damage control. as I call it.

[juno jones]

64. Our long national nightmare is over....

....move along nothing to see here....

[Canuckistanian]

65. LOL

I don't know if you're being satiric, jubilant or ambivalent.