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Fluffdaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 10:59 AM
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No more money to GM unless they bend to the will of the Obama administration
Edited on Sun Feb-15-09 11:01 AM by Fluffdaddy
Yes that may even mean pay cuts for the line workers.
A job that pays 10% less is still better then no job at all.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/story.aspx?guid={D2483F8A-638A-4A2B-9EC2-428EE920D5E5}&siteid=rss

http://www.suntimes.com/business/1432354,CST-NWS-GM15.article
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 11:17 AM
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1. Fair is fair.
Edited on Sun Feb-15-09 11:23 AM by jtrockville
If line workers' pay gets cut, there should be corresponding (sliding-scale type) cuts across the board, including executive compensation.
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Fluffdaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 11:28 AM
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5. Most definitely. The Brass already agreed to pay cuts. It's the Union that bailed
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 11:20 AM
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2. I agree taxpayer money should have stringent strings.
However, the wording of your post might sound disturbing to many.
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Fluffdaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 11:25 AM
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4. Stringent strings, "bend to the will" something, just different wording
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 11:41 AM
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7. True, but one puts the onus on receipt of public money,
the other on Obama making it sound he's dictatorial.
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terisan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 11:22 AM
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3. Would that bring us Triumph of the Will? Hope not. nt
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 11:37 AM
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6. Agreed, but since it's MY money (or OUR money)...
I'd add some requirements that the company do more to protect and create jobs in the U.S. If they take our money and build plants in China, that might help GM, but how does it help us?

Anyway, yes, there should be conditions on ALL the money, including the money for financial institutions.

:hi:

But, what do we do with the pensioners? Should GM continue to pay their health insurance benefits? Trick question, since I'm all for government-paid health system.

:hi:
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 11:57 AM
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8. Maybe the government should take over the pensioners healthcare
and open the plan up to us poor suckers who are circling the drain not being able to afford insurance. As for GM as a whole, I read they spent some of the last stimulus money in Brazil. That doesn't sit well with me and there needs to be a "spend in the USA" provision.
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 12:07 PM
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10. But it requires a change in our trade policies
Everyone complains that the US auto companies aren't running their business well but then also complains when they do things like build plants in other countries. Most companies have shipped manufacturing to other countries...the US auto companies are really part of the little manufacturing done in this country. It's cheaper for companies to build products in low wage countries and then ship things back here. In a way, GM building plants in foreign countries is, based on our trade policies, exactly what we want. I do agree, we should make sure the money given to US auto companies benefits our country but that involves more than telling them to hire US workers.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 11:58 AM
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9. I would only support cuts in workers' pay if exec's pay is cut *first*.
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