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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 10:25 PM
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Machine guns have a chilling effect on freedom of speech:
Edited on Sun Feb-15-09 10:26 PM by originalpckelly
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cocktail_hour/2799187964/

So there I was, an awful sunburn. I was peeling, and oozing. I was sitting on the grass, next to some ladies perhaps in their sixties. They were very nice.
We were eating Helados ice cream from one of those little rolling carts. Right across from this obviously threatening scene were about 30 police officers carrying machine guns. I was proud to live in America, and I was so glad that we would never engage in national behavior that has a chilling effect on freedom of speech.

I will never forget, one August week in Denver, and my changed impression of "representative democracy" in America.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 10:26 PM
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1. Yup. State-supported domestic terrorists can all fucking go to hell.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 10:27 PM
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2. I mean, it's not like I should be intimidated by machine guns...
that could have cut me in two while sitting there, if something had gone wrong.

That was the DNC by the way.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 10:31 PM
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3. Yup.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 10:32 PM
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4. How much do you bet me this is the last post?
Cognitive dissonance is not exactly popular.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 10:38 PM
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6. Zero. But it's a bit after the fact. :)
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 10:47 PM
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10. Obama is returning to Denver to sign the stimulus...
Edited on Sun Feb-15-09 10:52 PM by originalpckelly
to an invitation only ceremony at the museum of nature and science. I wonder how much security there will be.

*edited to fix ticket with invitation, that's the way it's going down. I wonder who's getting the invitations? Probably political insiders and token normal people.
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chrisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 10:34 PM
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5. Police behavior at the DNC and RNC were shameful.
What a waste of time this entire 8 years has been.
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Mish Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 10:40 PM
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8. Yes!
And what a utopia these next four will be. Oh praise God!
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 10:53 PM
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12. Isn't it grand so far?
Allah is truly good.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 10:39 PM
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7. Lots of things do.
Too many cops, not enough cops, molotov cocktails hurled at participants of political conventions... The key isn't the number of machine guns, it is at what and at whom the machine guns are leveled. Which is why the guns don't scare me as much as the mentality of whomever is in power.

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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 10:44 PM
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9. But don't you remember? They were there to protect you from the terrists and anarchists.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 10:48 PM
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11. I felt real safe.
And you know what? It wasn't even against Obama, I was there to support him! And yet, we still got the machine gun treatment.
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David Dunham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 11:03 PM
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13. Security was increased because Obama had received death threats during the convention.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 11:15 PM
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14. I'm quite aware of that, but I was no where near the actual convention.
I was in Civic Center park, which is at least a mile or two away from the Pepsi Center where the convention was actually held.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 11:33 PM
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15. You're right, David. However, increasing security does not necessarily mean you have
swat-style teams armed with automatic assault weapons lining the streets. Uniformed police officers interspersed in the crowds, along with plain-clothes police mingling would also be an effective way to show a police presence.

The tactics we saw in Denver and Minneapolis/St. Paul were textbook fascist police state tactics designed to intimidate people who were legally assembling to express themselves and their political agendas. The fact that they also rounded up many innocent citizens who had done nothing illegal is further proof of this.

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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 11:43 PM
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16. What makes you think they were machine guns?

:shrug:
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 11:49 PM
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17. Yep. Machine Guns create terrible punctuation on speech. No colons, commas, ect
just a hail of deadly periods
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