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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 01:38 AM
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Jeff Sharlett discusses the Prayer Breakfast, the Family, and Faith based programs.
The author of this post at Talk2Action was "surprised to learn that the National Prayer Breakfast was created and is hosted by The Family."

She interviewed Jeff Sharlet who wrote a great news article called Jesus Plus Nothing

They discussed some concerns that President Obama is letting some aspects of the Faith Based Initiatives remain. They also discussed some parts of the program that I never heard about, and that concern me.

Talk2Action interview with Jeff Sharlett

One bad sign was that Obama has already backed away from his campaign promise to end the discriminatory hiring practices that were allowed under Bush's executive order concerning faith-based organizations. Sharlet told me that these hiring practices are primarily aimed at gays and lesbians. One organization, World Vision, threatened to pull out of the program if they were restricted from discriminating in hiring and firing decisions. Sharlet said, "Not only did Obama not put restrictions on their ability to hire and fire based on their view of homosexuality, he actually put one of the leaders of World Vision on the committee that will be making decisions on the organization."

But there's an even more important issue, according to Sharlet: the cozy relationship between church and state and how that undermines our democracy. It's a two-way street: government exploitation of faith-based initiatives and the corollary: church exploitation of federal funding. Sharlet says the Family’s real purpose in creating the idea of the Faith based initiatives -- and followed by government policy for the last thirty years--is to privatize federal efforts to work with the poor.

The other purpose, as has been documented by David Kuo in his book Tempting Faith, is for faith based initiatives to be a vote-getting machine. (Kuo, a long time member of the Family, helped direct the Office of Faith-based Initiatives under George W. Bush and helped write the legislation that created it.) "Even he was stunned by what faith-based initiatives turned out to be: essentially a modern update of Tammany Hall, a way of passing out walking-around money" said Sharlet. "And I think Obama in some ways signaled that."


I had never heard of this program, and it does concern me for the implications of using government money for religious purposes.

Using tax dollars for prosyletizing was something Sharlet witnessed in the faith based court program called Fugitive Safe Surrender--Sharlet calls it “church court”. He sees signs it will continue under Obama. It’s been praised by Josh du Bois and has support from some Democratic Senators, according to Sharlet. The program operates in poor, often African American, neighborhoods, moving the entire legal appartus into a local megachurch and adjudicating cases for people who have outstanding warrants. They can choose to go through a regular court officer, or a church-connected “judge”. If they go with the latter, they get special consideration. It's not that people are getting a legal break that disturbs Sharlet, but that it makes defendants vulnerable to being proselytized. "I witnessed judges asking people who were there to turn themselves in and clear up their legal business whether they intended to come back to church."

I asked Sharlet whether this was a violation of the separation between church and state. "It's a stunning violation," he said.


PastorDan at Street Prophets quotes Reverend Welton Gaddy of State of Belief. Gaddy is one of my favorites, and he is concerned about the Faith Based initiatives.

In every conversation with senior officials on the transition team I have conveyed my preference for the faith based office to be eliminated and a community based office established to help the weakest, poorest, and neediest people in our nation. However, now that a decision has been made to establish and staff another faith based office, the question remains whether or not a change in the name of the office as organized by the Bush Administration will reflect substantive change in the policies of the Obama Administration that advocates for religious liberty find acceptable.


Here is more about Jesus Plus Nothing, which is described as being undercover among America's theocrats.

The organization has operated under many guises, some active, some defunct: National Committee for Christian Leadership, International Christian Leadership, the National Leadership Council, Fellowship House, the Fellowship Foundation, the National Fellowship Council, the International Foundation. These groups are intended to draw attention away from the Family, and to prevent it from becoming, in the words of one of the Family's leaders, “a target for misunderstanding.”

The Family's only publicized gathering is the National Prayer Breakfast, which it established in 1953 and which, with congressional sponsorship, it continues to organize every February in Washington, D.C. Each year 3,000 dignitaries, representing scores of nations, pay $425 each to attend. Steadfastly ecumenical, too bland most years to merit much press, the breakfast is regarded by the Family as merely a tool in a larger purpose: to recruit the powerful attendees into smaller, more frequent prayer meetings, where they can “meet Jesus man to man.”


There is more at the link about The Family including some of the many famous people, including brutal dictators, considered among their elite.

The Fellowship's long-term goal is "a leadership led by God—leaders of all levels of society who direct projects as they are led by the spirit." According to the Fellowship's archives, the spirit has in the past led its members in Congress to increase U.S. support for the Duvalier regime in Haiti and the Park dictatorship in South Korea. The Fellowship's God-led men have also included General Suharto of Indonesia; Honduran general and death squad organizer Gustavo Alvarez Martinez; a Deutsche Bank official disgraced by financial ties to Hitler; and dictator Siad Barre of Somalia, plus a list of other generals and dictators. Clinton, says Schenck, has become a regular visitor to Coe's Arlington, Virginia, headquarters, a former convent where Coe provides members of Congress with sex-segregated housing and spiritual guidance.


I have been outspoken on mixing religion and politics. I am amazed at how many here argue with me when I condemn the public tax money in my state going to private religious schools.

We are crossing lines that enable the religious right to dictate their views on Christianity to our government. There is nothing right about it.

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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 01:53 AM
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1. American Shariah...it's what's forever, unless we stop it.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 02:38 AM
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3. But can we stop it?
It's like they have ingrained it into our society now.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 03:13 AM
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6. We ain't stopped nuthin' lately.
Couldn't stop seizure of the White House by a piece of unelected filth. Twice.

Couldn't stop a phony war even with mass demos nationwide and worldwide.

Couldn't stop too many other transgressions to list.

Couldn't stop the phony bailout.

What's ingrained is the obedience/apathy, I think.

PS - we did stop one thing: The looting of Social Security. We may need to stop it again.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 11:55 AM
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9. I am beginning to realize the futility of the actions of activists.
I swear it took me a long long time.

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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 02:13 PM
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11. I'm sorry...defeatism is tha last thing I wanted to promote.
Edited on Mon Feb-16-09 02:14 PM by Jim Sagle
It's just that our problems as a nation are so much deeper than most of us thought.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 02:20 PM
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12. It's not defeatism...it's realism.
At least for right now.

And you weren't promoting anything, you were just expressing feelings.

:hi:
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 09:30 AM
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26. Mad, we would probably be occupying Iran right now if not for the actions of activists.
Remember the words of Margaret Mead:


"Never Doubt that a small group of Rich people can Corrupt the World. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."



Oops, I mean....


"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."


We are all just drips in the bucket, but we DO accumulate.

:yourock:

:hi:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 11:56 PM
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20. The Constitution/SC should have stopped it -- but . . .
Many of us could come together to push the ACLU into a lawsuit on this - if they

don't already have one?
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 02:03 AM
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2. Enough! Make these fuckers raise money from their members
If people want to voluntarily shovel cash at churches, that's fine.

But leave our tax dollars alone.

:mad:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 02:41 AM
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15. Agreed.
:hi:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 11:57 PM
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21. Members don't want to give them money cause they fear it pays sexual abuse cases -- !!!
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GI_Dunno Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 02:40 AM
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4. hrmph
The sooner everyone realizes there is no god, except your own death, the sooner we can ignore or remove these problems.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 02:43 AM
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5. I fear the right of believing that has been undermined in our society now.
There have been two atheists or agnostics in my family. It was not tolerated, and everyone rushed to save them. They finally pretended to be to hush them.

I still have faith, but the Southern Baptists drove hubby and me away.
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 05:35 AM
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7. We should NOT be funding religion in any form. They are conservative PAC's
They are a blight and provide little value to a community. NO tax dollars for religion. Better yet .... tax the bastards.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 12:57 AM
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14. I agree.
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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 07:11 AM
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8. American Sharia is correct, this shit has been going on for 30 or 40 years
Ask Billy Graham, now Franklin Graham, who is a bigger nut than most.
It is time we as citizens DEMAND that the kkkreestians be eliminated from our government. People of all faiths should be concerned whether you are Christian, Bhuddist, Hindi, Muslim, Agnostic. The group of taliban religious fanatics need to be outted , exposed and kicked to the kerb.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 12:08 PM
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10. More on the "church court".
I was reading more about it since I had never heard of it. I found this explanation from a blogger who also has concerns about it. This is from 2007. I fear it crosses some line that we should not cross.

http://www.blogher.com/fugitive-safe-surrender-us-marshals-churches

"Is it a brilliant idea, or is it disturbing? Does the image of an armed marshal standing beneath the crucifix trouble you, or is there a way to see beyond that to a larger good? Is it an encroachment of the state, notably the police, into the church?Or is it an extension of the sanctuary movement?

"The US Marshal’s office has begun a cooperative program with churches in urban areas in about a dozen cities (with dozens more coming on board soon) called “Fugitive Safe Surrender” where anyone with an outstanding warrant, specifically for a non-violent crime, can come on designated days to a church wherein will be assembled courts, processing areas, clerks, and marshals. The goal is that everyone should be safe – the police safe from assault, the criminals safe from assault. Fugitives are told that their turning themselves in will be looked upon favorably in deliberations. Processing time is cut from days or weeks or months into hours. Over 4,000 people with active warrants turned themselves in during the launch in the first five cities alone. Some had court dates established for the future. Some went to jail. Some went home, free."

US Marshalls in churches. I can see why NJ said no to the program.

"The state of NJ has barred this program on the grounds that it does not want court proceedings going on in a church, and also that it feels it may represent the court as siding with the prosecutor."

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 12:30 PM
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16. Another blogger indicates that NJ has not banned the church court.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 05:21 PM
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13. Sarah Posner on the FundamentaList.....lets rip on the faith-based plans
of Obama, saying they are not what he promised us.

Before the election he said laws should have a secular bent, not a religious one.

http://www.prospect.org//cs/articles?article=the_fundamentalist_021109

"1. Obama's New Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships: Bad Constitutional Law, Bad Policy, Bad Precedent.

When candidate Barack Obama announced in Zanesville, Ohio, last July that his White House Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships would "have a broader role -- it will help set our national agenda," it sounded like inspirational campaign-speak. Now we know what Obama meant that summer day on the stump: His hand-picked roster of religious advisers will officially shape policy.

Via executive order signed last Thursday, Obama has appointed an advisory council of religious leaders to help guide administration policy on issues like "abortion reduction," fatherhood, poverty, and international relations. This setup diverges from the approach outlined in his 2006 speech to Sojourners/Call to Renewal, in which he argued laws should have a secular, not a religious basis, a view James Dobson denounced as a "fruitcake" interpretation of the Constitution.

Despite Obama's own lip service to nonbelievers in his Inaugural Address, the inclusion of leaders from nonreligious organizations on this advisory council, and the presence of the word "neighborhood" alongside "faith based" in his new partnership between government and community, this is without a doubt a religious endeavor. Why else would he have chosen the venue of the National Prayer Breakfast -- an event whose origins and true agenda Obama either chose to overlook, doesn't understand, or does understand but nonetheless embraced in the long-standing spirit of phony bipartisanship that the prayer breakfast represents -- to make his first public announcement about the office, followed by a private signing of the executive order at the White House?

Under George W. Bush, a certain religious faction personified by Dobson influenced policy, with regular meetings and conference calls with White House staff, even as Karl Rove called the members of that faction nuts behind their back. But even Bush did not institutionalize the marriage of religion and policy by giving his religious favorites an official White House role. Advocates for church-state separation and religious liberty are dismayed that Obama walked away from his Zanesville campaign promise to end the Bush-era sops to his evangelical base."
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 11:53 PM
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19. I agree that's what we should be doing . . .
the huge danger here is how wealthy the RCC is ---

and politicans seem to need money more often than God!!

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 08:23 PM
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17. Rob Boston at Talk2Action has more on the faith-based hiring and firing.
Backlash To Bias: Obama Inaction On Hiring Discrimination Gaining Attention

President Barack Obama's reluctance to overturn a Bush-era executive order permitting religious bias in federally funded "faith-based" programs is not going unnoticed.

The Los Angeles Times was quick to blast the president's inaction in a Feb. 9 editorial cleverly headlined "Thou may not discriminate." The newspaper labeled Obama's decision not to revoke the order an "unpleasant" surprise and called for quick corrective action.

"In exchange for government funds, faith-based programs must not impose a religious test on either those they serve or those they hire," asserted the paper. "Catholic Charities, for example, informs prospective employees that they will be considered without regard to religion. Obama needs to make it clear that other beneficiaries of federal funds will make the same commitment."

Yesterday The New York Times sounded a similar note. The newspaper even opined that Obama might not be "particularly proud of this omission," noting that he signed the executive order "away from the view of television cameras or an audience"
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 11:52 PM
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18. I think if Congress wants this religious/Jesus Camp stuff, they should pay for it ---
Edited on Wed Feb-18-09 11:55 PM by defendandprotect
Including for the Chaplain in the House -- who oddly enough makes more than the Representatives . . .!!!

and for the Chaplain in the Senate --- whose salary and benefits, as I recall, are

equal to the Senators.

PS -- we're paying for all this!

At least 10 years ago, the House Chaplain was making $325,000 plus benefits --

and, at one time, I think there was a limo, as well?



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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:21 AM
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22. THREE FUCKING RECS???
This is the height on unconstitutional behavior!

WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE?

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:28 AM
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23. well...
I don't get many of them since so many have me on ignore for being a Debbie Downer.

:shrug:
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Sentath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 11:16 AM
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27. Darnit, I didn't see it in time.
All I can do now is to kick it.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:31 AM
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24. Friends and neighbors, man the phones! Start sending the emails! Pen letters if you
wish!! But let the Obama administration know this is not to be allowed. It has already grown waaay too big, but this would still be a good time to start pruning this rotten limb from the tree of liberty.

That information about the chaplains is nauseating. We have become so inured to the existence of these violations of our constitution that they hardly seem to be noticed.

Thank you for the reminder, Madflo. I for one, do not care to live in the Christian Republic of America any more than I would want to live in the Islamic Republic of Iran.


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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 08:44 AM
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25. Pres Obama wants to allow legal discrimination
And that defines him in so many ways. He thinks discrimination is ok. He does a diservice to both nation and church.
That office of faith is at the core a prejudiced office, demanding to continue being bigoted and discriminatory.
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