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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 07:49 PM
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A quick primer on credit card economics
After the billionth angry and uninformed post on how credit card companies work and think,
I thought I would explain a couple of current phenomena. Believe me, I am in a position
to explain a great deal of card company behavior to you.

NOTHING WRITTEN HERE IS MEANT TO CONDONE OR DEFEND CREDIT CARD COMPANY POLICIES AND
TACTICS.



Issue/Claim: "They just raised my rate to 25%, when I pay my bill in full every month!"

Explanation: There is a segment of non-revolvers (or transactors) who pay very little in interest
or fees to lenders; their average balance is close to zero, and the only money they
make is the interchange they share with Visa and Mastercard. However, when times get
tough, a portion of this segment begins to revolve debt, and another portion starts
to charge up the card because their financial situation is becoming dire. Once exposure (ie, the total
amount people borrow) starts to build, it is difficult for lenders to discern who is
changing their behavior, and who is revolving debt, yet can't or won't pay. Historically,
accounts that begin to revolve debt after transacting for so long tend to roll to loss pretty
quickly, yet there are no or very few balances in the sub-segment that doesn't revolve. This
means that losses in this segment rapidly approach 100%. The 25% rate is the lender's attempt
to mitigate some of that loss potential.

Solution: If you never revolve, this is a non-issue. If you don't like the credit policy,
get rid of the card.


Issue/Claim: "I transferred a ton of balances at zero interest, so HA, I'm screwing the bank!"

Explanation: Um, probably not. When you transfer balances, or when you charge something at a
temporary, low rate, payments go to that part of your balance first, while your balances under higher
rates continue to accrue interest.

Solution: Don't transfer balances or use convenience checks unless you have a zero balance, or unless
you can pull a double-switch and move all balances to intro rates.



Issue/Claim: "Credit card companies charge usurous rates!"

Explanation: Actually, no, they don't. Their underwriting criteria is based on historical losses,
and almost every lender would be ecstatic to make a 3% profit (ie, post-loss, post-servicing, post-G&A) per dollar lent
on an annualized basis. Where they pad their earnings is on fee income, as I will now demonstrate.

The easiest way to think of credit card profitability is as a percentage of money lent. The main sources of
expense for lenders are money cost, losses, servicing, and management and administration (not in that order,
necessarily). For subprime customers, annualized, steady-state net credit losses often run over 20% (ie,
20 cents of every dollar lent). Money cost in this day and age runs roughly 2%. Servicing of subprime cards
is very expensive, owing to the amount of collections calls and customer service reps necessary; it can
run as high as 5%. The cost of management and administration (marketing, banking, credit policy, etc)
should run around 1.5%-3%.

For a 30% APR, on average the profitability looks something like 30% - 20% - 5% - 2% - 1.5% = 1.5%. That is, even with an
allegedly "usurous" rate, like 30%, profits can very easily run as low as 1.5% or less. To put that in perspective,
grocery stores high-five themselves if they can run at a 2% net return on assets.

Lenders mitigate that margin, of course, by charging $39 fees for late and overlimit. Here is how they make out like
bandits: a typical subprime credit limit is $500. Late accounts are by and large also overlimit (you have to trust me
on this), so that $500 turns into $578, not including interest. That's interesting, but what's more interesting is that
$78 / $500 = 15.6%. Even if the bank realizes HALF of those fees, the net margin is now 1.5% + 7.8% = 9.3%. Notice that the
more delinquent accounts, the more money the bank makes, without ever having to expose investors' money.

The moral is that the interest rates themselves are actually defensible, given losses. The late and overlimit fees, which
are supposed to cover excess servicing expense, actually account for most of the profitability of a subprime portfolio.


To preserve fee income, banks will do whatever it takes to confuse cardholders into paying late, or they'll make on-time
payment cumbersome and confusing.

Solution: Send your payment the moment you receive your bill. Send your payment via registered mail, if economical.
Dispute all late/OVL fees as soon as they appear. Keep track of your balance and payment status electronically, if possible.


Issue/Claim: "Credit card lending should be nationalized to bring rates down."

Explanation: That wouldn't change much, and in fact it would eliminate credit offered to the most risky segments.

Solution: Regulate credit card company (or division) profits to no more than a 4.00% risk-adjusted return on annual average assets, with overages to be rebated back to cardholders.

This will create incentives for card companies to (a) lend more intelligently, (b) manage credit limits more carefully (c), hire more people so as to increase the pay base when net assets grow, (d) scale back fee structures, or (e) all of the above. Notice that I am not regulating interest rates.


Issue/Claim: "Credit card lenders are all fat cats who feed on the blood of cardholders."

Explanation: Bullshit. For every credit card executive, there are ten $40,000 analysts who make sure marketing campaigns occur. For every credit card executive, there are at least one hundred hourly-paid call center employees who man phones. There are also IT people who make systems work, and low-level admin staff who make sure the OCC and OTS get what they need.

Solution: Drive around Dallas, Chicago, Phoenix, and central Florida until you lose count of the buildings.


Issue/Claim: "Credit card lenders export all of our jobs to India."

Explanation: Some of them, sure.

Solution: Drive around Dallas, Chicago, Phoenix, and central Florida until you lose count of the buildings.



Issue/Claim: "Banks write off debt, so why can't I?"

Explanation: Banks write off balances that they deem are uncollectable, a practice which is standardized and highly (federally) regulated. It is not the same as banks writing off amounts of money that they owe to their creditors.

Solution: If you want to write off your debt, file bankruptcy.


Issue/Claim: "We should all protest abusive practices by a complete stoppage of payments."

Explanation: You might also frame your credit cards, since they'd be the last ones any of us will ever see.

Solution: There are three practices that should be protested forever: changing terms on a whim, obfuscating the payment
process, and charging exorbitant fees. Dealing with each of these three will drastically reduce the ability of the lenders to seize
supra-normal profits.





Now then: flame away.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 07:51 PM
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1. If wages were tripled, we'd need less credit n/t
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 07:56 PM
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5. If wages were tripled, no one could afford credit nt
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 08:00 PM
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6. Then if everyone made $1 an hour credit would be WAY affordable
WOOT!!111!!!!
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Stevenmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 12:57 AM
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19. If wages were tripled, people would buy three times more crap
It's like closet space, the more you have the more you feel compelled to fill them.
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Rosco T. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 07:52 PM
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2. Relpy to all the excuses they make for being crooks: FUCK YOU.
strong message to follow.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 07:53 PM
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3. I agree
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 07:54 PM
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4. You'll learn - soon, I think - that DU is not the place for rationality.
Edited on Mon Feb-16-09 07:55 PM by BlooInBloo
EDIT: The following is, of course, the key graf:

"Solution: Regulate credit card company (or division) profits to no more than a 4.00% risk-adjusted return on annual average assets, with overages to be rebated back to cardholders.

This will create incentives for card companies to (a) lend more intelligently, (b) manage credit limits more carefully (c), hire more people so as to increase the pay base when net assets grow, (d) scale back fee structures, or (e) all of the above. Notice that I am not regulating interest rates."
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 08:00 PM
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7. If by rationality you mean Republicans, then yes you are correct. n/t
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 08:15 PM
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9. Couldn't pass Snark 101, eh?
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 10:15 PM
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12. I'm certainly not surprised to see you defending the banks again. n/t
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 12:48 AM
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18. BWAHAHAHAAHAAA!!!!!
That's the best one yet.

Seriously - you should take that on the road.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 08:12 PM
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8. Banking needs to be made boring again. (nt)
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 08:16 PM
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10. Most of your conclusions I agree with..
Edited on Mon Feb-16-09 08:16 PM by sendero
... but not the usury one. The reason they have such huge losses to offset is that they hand credit cards out like candy to people who shouldn't be given a dollar of credit.

So, folks who manage their affairs with a modicum of prudence are punished so college kids can have cards. It's bullshit, and it's about to stop either way.
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customerserviceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 08:38 PM
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11. No flames from me
I think you did a pretty effective job of explaining most of what goes on with the credit card industry. I'm still having a bit of trouble believing the 20% loss figure, especially in good times. It just seems very unlikely to me that in times when people have relatively OK jobs, that one out of every five dollars lent through a credit card is going to go bad, even on the subprimes. It just seems that the folks willing to stiff the card companies would be figured out, and denied credit for exceptionally long periods of time, like the seven years that a written-off debt would be reported. Of course today, I would expect them to have substantial losses.

I like your list of three things at the end, and would also like you to consider a fourth: changing terms for totally bullshit reasons, such as having a problem with another card (that might actually be a mistake in reporting by the other creditor) or the new practice of discriminating by those who shop in the "wrong" places. I was buying a case of excellent ale today in Delaware, saving both a considerable amount of money by buying an in-state brew (Dogfish Head 90 Minute IPA, yummy!) and the sales tax. I couldn't help but wonder what my bank would think of the liquor store where I made the purchase, even though I've borrowed and faithfully paid back over $3000 with them in the last year.
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 10:39 PM
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13. I have NO understanding of how so many of us are addicted to the things --
Edited on Mon Feb-16-09 11:05 PM by smalll
If I'm working and income is coming in, it's just as convenient (and far less costly) to use a credit card.

If I'm not working, there's no way I'm going to rack up debt I can't pay for.

I really don't understand the credit card addiction (but then, I don't understand "gamers," texting, "sexting," kids who wear flip-flops in the winter, Foodies, Furries, Octomoms, American Idol contestants, people who wear Crocs out in public, people who get "creative" with their kids' names (viz. Track, Trigg, Calcc, Willow, Piper, Trombonist, etc. etc.) adult fans of "Lost," "pet parents," the vampire craze, believers in Indigo Children, or "Diddy" --

so I guess I'm just out of touch!)
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-09 10:53 PM
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14. What I know
Is that I have had a card with citibank for 20 something years with a revolving balance and a perfect record of payment. My husband is a physician. We have an excellent credit rating. They just tried to jack my rate up almost double and I took the option and will pay the card off in the next two months and they will never get a penny of my business again for as long as I or they exist.
Whoever is deciding on who gets jacked up or not is not doing a very good job.
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serrano2008 Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 12:00 AM
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15. What is you doing trying to talk sense into all them credit card whiners?
They already know everything you wrote, they just like being victims so they ignore all of it.

You really want a good laugh, read through some of the ridiculous "true" stories at www.studentloanjustice.org. The majority of them "forgot" about their student loan payment for 5-10 years and now are wondering why their interest rates and balances are sky high.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 12:07 AM
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16. Ultimate solution, pay off your balance, cut up your card, and live a much better life
I've been cardless all my life, and my life has been better because of it.
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 12:33 AM
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17. In a nutshell, yes nt
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