One hundred years ago, on Feb. 17, 1909, Chiricahua Apache leader Geronimo died at Fort Sill

[AlphaCentauri]

Remembering Our Dead

[Captain Hilts]

1. I know just about NOTHING about this incident.

What's a good source to read about this?

[blindpig]

13. here:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51730KPXRVL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA240_SH20_OU01_.jpg

The shame in that book ought to have brought this genocidal nation to it's knees.

[cilla4progress]

14. I hear you --

we need our own Truth and Reconciliation Commission in this country for this genocide.

It took me 30 years to gain the strength to read this book. Once it became important because of my current work, I broke in. Cried my way through it. Learning American Indian history should be a requirement for all students. Geronimo is one of many, MANY American heroes who hardly any Americans know of. Conversely, Indian people are by far some of the most patriotic people I know.

[ismnotwasm]

27. The book that changed forever how I view history

The first time was 7th grade. I've never in my life been without a copy, (and you're talking to a person who lost the complete works of Edgar Allen Poe, published in the early 1900') simply because of that early impact.

Which lead to other books. And the actual reading of certain treaties. Not all of course, too many.

[hlthe2b]

2. Only to have his grave desecrated and remains stolen...

to serve the perverse pleasures of the rich kids in Skull & Bones at Yale.

[angrycarpenter]

3. Prescott Bush allegedly stole his skull from it's grave.

I don't know if I believe it or not but it sounds about right.

[MrPerson]

4. Hiya Hiya Hiya Hiya

[Wednesdays]

19. And hiya to you, too!

:hi:

Or, were you thinking about posting something racist?

[MrPerson]

21. Old Steve Martin Joke. Is he racist?

[H2O Man]

26. clown

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

5. Geronimo's Cadillac

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4Hn4kMzp50

They put Geronimo in jail down South
Where he couldn't look a gift horse in the mouth
Sergeant, Sergeant don't you feel
There's something wrong with your automobile
Warden, Warden, listen to me
Be brave and set Geronimo free
Governor, Governor, 'aint it strange
You never see a car on the Indian range

Oh boys take me back
I wanna ride in Geronimo's Cadillac
Oh boys I wanna see it for real
I wanna ride in Geronimo's automobile
Take me, take me, take me back
I wanna ride in Geronimo's

Warden, Warden, don't you know
The prisoners 'aint got no place to go
It took ol'Geronimo by storm
They took the badges from his uniform
Jesus told me and I believe it's true
The redmen are in the sunset too
They stole their land and they won't give it back
And they sent Geronimo a Cadillac

Oh boys take me back
I wanna ride in Geronimo's Cadillac
Oh boys I wanna see it for real
I wanna ride in Geronimo's automobile
Take me, take me, take me back
I wanna ride in Geronimo's

They put Geronimo in jail down South
Where he couldn't look a gift horse in a mouth
Sergeant, Sergeant don't you feel
There's something wrong with your automobile
Warden, Warden, listen to me
Be brave and set Geronimo free
Governor, Governor, 'aint it strange
You never see a car on the Indian range

Oh boys take me back
I wanna ride in Geronimo's Cadillac
Oh boys I wanna see it for real
I wanna ride in Geronimo's automobile
Take me, take me, take me back
I wanna ride in Geronimo's

[countryjake]

24. k&r Thanks for posting Michael's song...

good to sing on this day.

[ColbertWatcher]

6. k+r, n/t

[Maru Kitteh]

7. with one word, you changed so much for me...

Chiricahua

My mother and her nine siblings were abandoned. My mother has obvious native heritage but was conditioned all her life to deny it.

I have too much to process right now, but thank you, for more than you know.

[rocktots]

8. Watch the movie

There was a really cool movie on him, with Matt Damen. Very good movie!!!

[G_j]

9. 33 years of imprisonment for Leonard Peltier

Feb. 6 marked 33 years of imprisonment for Leonard Peltier.

[struggle4progress]

10. An Apache Campaign In The Sierra Madre (John Gregory Bourke / 1886)

... When they went upon the reservation, rations in abundance were promised for themselves and families. A difference of opinion soon arose with the agent as to what constituted a ration, the wicked Indians laboring
under the delusion that it was enough food to keep the recipient from starving to death, and objecting to an issue of supplies based upon the principle according to which grumbling Jack Tars used to say that prize-money was formerly apportioned, that is, by being thrown through the rungs of a ladder what stuck being the share of the Indian, and what fell to the ground being the share of the agent. To the credit of the agent it must be said that he made a praiseworthy but ineffectual effort to alleviate the pangs of hunger by a liberal distribution of hymn-books among his wards. The perverse Chiricahuas, not being able to digest works of that nature, and unwilling to acknowledge the correctness of the agent's arithmetic, made up their minds to sally out from San Carlos and take refuge in the more hospitable wilderness of the Sierra Madre. Their discontent was not allayed by rumors whispered about of the intention of the agent to have the whole tribe removed bodily to the Indian Territory. Coal had been discovered on the reservation, and speculators clamored that the land involved be thrown open for develop ment, regardless of the rights of the Indians. But, so the story goes, matters suddenly reached a focus when the agent one day sent his chief of police to arrest a Chiricahua charged with some offense deemed worthy of punishment in the guard-house. The offender started to run through the Indian camp, and the chief of police fired at him, but missed his aim and killed a luckless old squaw, who happened in range. This wretched marksmanship was resented by the Chiricahuas, who refused to be comforted
by the profuse apologies tendered for the accident. They silently made their preparations, waiting long enough to catch the chief of police, kill him, cut off his head, and play a game of football with it; and then, like a flock of quail, the whole band, men, women, and children 710 in all started on the dead run for
the Mexican boundary, one hundred and fifty miles to the south ...


http://www.archive.org/stream/apachecampaignin001869mbp/apachecampaignin001869mbp_djvu.txt

[Cid_B]

11. Supposedly the grave is there..

I think I passed it a few times but didn't stop.

http://sill-www.army.mil/pao/pahist.htm

[Fly by night]

12. The only photo on my refrigerator (Four Apaches with rifles)

The caption: "Fighting terrorism since 1492"

Mitakuye Oyasin

[cilla4progress]

15. Also -

"the Original Founding Fathers" on the sacred Black Hills scar known as "Mt. Rushmore." Chief Joseph, Sitting Bull -- help me -- other two?

[blindpig]

16. Tecumseh for sure,

mebbe Pontiac.

[semillama]

18. Tecumseh and Pontiac both died before the advent of photography.

Maybe there should be another version with Eastern Native Americans? Tecumseh, Pontiac, Powhatan, and Sequoyah?

[semillama]

17. Geronimo and Red Cloud are the other two. n/t

[cilla4progress]

20. Thank you.

[kentuck]

22. Anybody else ever rappel down Geronimo cliff at Fort Sill?

It was part of our training when I was stationed there many years ago and the rumor was that Geronimo had jumped off the cliff??

[countryjake]

23. Thank you! I remember. n/t

[countryjake]

25. Kick!

[Judi Lynn]

28. I remember reading that at one time they sent Geronimo to Florida, keeping him on an island

near Pensacola, I think. He and his group had trouble adjusting to that climate after living in the desert. What a shock that would have been, living on a tiny, tiny island in the Gulf of Mexico.

http://www.archives.gov.nyud.net:8090/research/american-west/images/069.jpg

This is Geronimo's group at a rest stop in Texas as they were being taken to
exile in Florida. Natchez is center right, Geronimo and son in matching shirts
to the right.