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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 12:21 AM
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Cheney's Mad at Bush

:nopity:



http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/02/16/2009-02-16_exvp_dick_cheney_outraged_president_bush.html

Ex-VP Dick Cheney outraged President Bush didn't grant 'Scooter' Libby full pardon
BY THOMAS M. DEFRANK 
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF
Monday, February 16th 2009, 10:33 PM

WASHINGTON - In the waning days of the Bush administration, Vice President Dick Cheney launched a last-ditch campaign to persuade his boss to pardon Lewis (Scooter) Libby - and was furious when President George W. Bush wouldn't budge.

Sources close to Cheney told the Daily News the former vice president repeatedly pressed Bush to pardon Libby, arguing his ex-chief of staff and longtime alter ego deserved a full exoneration - even though Bush had already kept Libby out of jail by commuting his 30-month prison sentence.

"He tried to make it happen right up until the very end," one Cheney associate said.

In multiple conversations, both in person and over the telephone, Cheney tried to get Bush to change his mind. Libby was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice in the federal probe of who leaked covert CIA operative Valerie Plame's identity to the press.

Several sources confirmed Cheney refused to take no for an answer. "He went to the mat and came back and back and back at Bush," a Cheney defender said. "He was still trying the day before Obama was sworn in."

After repeatedly telling Cheney his mind was made up, Bush became so exasperated with Cheney's persistence he told aides he didn't want to discuss the matter any further.

The unsuccessful full-court press left Cheney bitter. "He's furious with Bush," a Cheney source told The News. "He's really angry about it and decided he's going to say what he believes."

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mediaman007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 12:23 AM
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1. Payback is a bitch.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 12:33 AM
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9. Cheney's "bitter"
Yeah, so are we, dick.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 12:25 AM
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2. Kudos to Bush on this.
Now I can say he did one thing I agreed with.
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I Have A Dream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 12:27 AM
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5. Yeah, that's sad isn't it?
Edited on Tue Feb-17-09 12:27 AM by I Have A Dream
One thing in 8 years, and I'm not being hyperbolic. :(

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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 12:29 AM
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6. That's his 2nd for me
Not giving Israel the bunker busters and a go-ahead to bomb Iran is the best thing he did
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 09:02 AM
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34. Actually it's one thing he didn't do that was good
'Cause everything he did do we find repulsive.
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lutefisk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 10:58 AM
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37. I've always assumed that any (perceived) "good" Bush did was ultimately for a "bad" reason
Besides, if we start counting all the bad things Bush didn't do as "good" things, we might as well praise Hitler for all the bad things he didn't do...
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 12:25 AM
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3. Whoa. idiot son did something honorable, and made darth forever
angry? I like it!

And then there's Elliott Abrams yesterday. Is Cheney following Abrams' opinion?

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/15/elliott-abrams-pardon-libby/
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 12:27 AM
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4. I wonder if Cheney made promises to Libby in exchange for his silence
Edited on Tue Feb-17-09 12:44 AM by Stephanie
I always thought Judy Miller went to jail to protect Cheney.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 12:43 AM
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14. There's a thought. So one further nudge at Scooter, now friendless,
could unleash the truth? I would love to see that. And I hope Cheney is totally miserable. But I bet they have cocktails together nightly. They were tight.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 12:53 AM
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15. Libby got himself a gig at the Hudson Institute
Edited on Tue Feb-17-09 01:09 AM by Stephanie
http://www.hudson.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=publication_details&id=5968&pubType=HI_Opeds

And Cheney's holed up in McClean. No doubt they meet for sad shots of whiskey in some nondisclosed, wheelchair accessible Holiday Inn cocktail lounge.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 01:19 AM
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22. Cheney walks into Starbucks 'miraculously' now, and
that wench KO has been talking about who wrote that screed on healthcare works at the Hudson Institute.

What a surprise!
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 05:23 PM
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43. I picture them in a dimly lit Holiday Inn lounge bar sitting in a plastic upholstered booth
with piped Musak or maybe a bad Elvis impersonator singing to a half empty room of 70-something retirees.
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rwenos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 12:56 AM
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17. Promises, Promises
You're probably right on the button here. Cheney, who apparently was bullying Bush from Day One (remember Bush promising Saddam three days to come correct, and then the missiles being launched that same day?), probably thought he could bully Bush one more time.

I'm always fascinated when bullies get stopped cold. They simply can't believe it. "No -- Mr. President, you do what I SAY."

Shogun Cheney must have been fit to be tied. A pleasant thought, that.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 12:30 AM
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7. I'd watch my ass if I were the boy king
Just sayin. People have been disappeared for less.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 12:30 AM
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8. Ooops Dupesie Doo
Edited on Tue Feb-17-09 12:31 AM by tularetom
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 12:34 AM
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10. I hope when he is wheeled up to the podium somebody asks him what he had to do with Valerie Plame.
Has he ever said?

Has anyone ever asked him?

Can we ask him now that he's out of office and wants to talk about Libby?
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 12:35 AM
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11. They've been on the outs for quite a while. nt
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 12:37 AM
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13. No honor among thieves.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 12:36 AM
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12. Cage match to the death!
:woohoo:
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 12:56 AM
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18. Bush doesn't stand a chance
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 01:02 AM
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19. Yep, plus Cheney would probably equip his wheel chair with incredibly sharp blades
James Bond villain fashion
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Fireweed247 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 12:55 AM
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16. What else is new?
Remember the 'boil' and the 'pretzel' incident? Bush better hope Cheney isn't planning a hunting trip...
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 01:03 AM
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20. I hope he is.
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Stevenmarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 01:16 AM
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21. Cheney never fed a toddler
Don't pardon Scooter, Don't you dare pardon Scooter, I really don't want you to pardon Scooter.


Scooter would have had a pardon like you get a petulant toddler to eat their veggies.
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pmorlan1 Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 01:25 AM
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23. Self-serving Cheney leaks
Sounds to me like ole Dick is worried about Scooter spilling the beans so he's gotten some of his buds to leak this story to convince Scooter that it wasn't him but Bush that wouldn't cough up the old pardon. I hope Scooter sings like a bird and takes Cheney and Bush down.
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habitual Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 08:55 AM
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33. EXACTLY. n/t
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 01:25 AM
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24. Cheney was right about one thing, he knew in w that he'd sign anything that was slipped under
his nose...problem was when Cheney's psychosis started bringing the Bush family name & legacy down all bets were off including Scooter :nopity:
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Traveling_Home Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 01:28 AM
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25. Bush didn't give pardons in Texas; didn't in WH; "no surprise Mr Cheney" nt
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 01:34 AM
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26. Bush didn't figure out that Cheney was screwing him until his Legacy team was up
and running.

Unbelievable. We should all kiss the ground every day that some of us survived that idiot.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 01:42 AM
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27. Pity if this made him so apoplectic that he had The Big One. Of course, he's had
The Big One four fucking times already...
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 12:37 PM
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41. With health care that most of us can only dream of & at our expense, too!
:grr:
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 01:46 AM
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28. Ohhh, nooooooooo!
I'm only sorry that Scooter didn't get a pardon. It would have been fun, fun, FUN to watch Patrick Fitzgerald grill him, and you bet I would have cashed in the airline miles to see it in person.

:woohoo:
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hope1954 Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 01:55 AM
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29. its the oil
I guess he's mad about the low oil prices during the last months of the administration!
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 02:58 AM
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30. Maybe they should go hunting together to patch things up
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 06:46 AM
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31. If Dim Son had pardoned him, he could have been forced to testify
before congress. He wouldn't have to take the 5th because he had already been pardoned.
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Jim Lane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 11:23 AM
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38. He's already been convicted so he can be forced to testify as to those crimes
I'm pretty sure that the Fifth Amendment privilege applies only to testimony that might expose the witness to a criminal prosecution. There's no such exposure for a witness who's been pardoned, but there's also no such exposure to a witness who's already been convicted. Libby can't be prosecuted again for the same crimes.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 11:54 AM
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40. It could affect an appeal
And they are leaving that open.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 08:01 AM
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32. If Bush pardoned Libby then there's no 5th protections
Libby can be forced to testify under penalty of perjury.

I don't believe for one second that Cheney doesn't know this, what we are seeing is red meat bluster for the party.

-Hoot
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 10:29 AM
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35. So Bush stopped listening to Cheney.
Shame it was 8 years too late.
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Maru Kitteh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 10:33 AM
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36. Gosh, and they looked so cute together at the awards ceremony
Who would have guess their marriage was in so much trouble?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 11:26 AM
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39. bfd
it is most likely the only time bush said no to the dick.
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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 01:38 PM
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42. Vampires eat their own
eventually, sooner if they disobey.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 05:24 PM
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44. go to the back of the fucking line, DICK
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 07:43 PM
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45. Discussing this on Hardball right now
DeFrank is on. Sorry I missed most of it.
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steelmania75 Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-17-09 07:46 PM
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46. Dick needs to GO AWAY
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