C-Span Caller Finds Federal Firearms Registration Requirement in Bailout Bill

[ThomWV]

A caller into C-Span's "Washington Journal" program this morning (8:48am) said he found a section in the bill that will be signed today that requires Federal registration of all firearms in private hands on a date certain after the signing of the bill. He gave the sections and quoted the passages.

If true maybe this is why no one was given time to read the bill.

[Uben]

1. Good luck enforcing that one....

...aint gonna happen!

[ThomWV]

2. Don't you bet on it

[jmg257]

3. That would really suck. Any more info?

[ThomWV]

4. I was just waking up and didn't write down the section and paragraph numbers

They will put the entire show up on line after 10 am and then I'll go back and watch it at that the time I noted in the first post to see the section and write down the parts of the bill its found in and see if I can read it for myself.

[jmg257]

6. I searched the .pdf sections for "firearm" & "registration"-nothing. But who knows what version this

was (the one I searched) - not sure if it is THE last one signed into law.

???

[ThomWV]

13. Those words would not of necessity be in the bill

I don't know if you've ever seen how a bill is actually written but it can be very confusing and often you can not see what is going on just by reading it. I know that sounds absurd. What you see is that words are often added, or struck out of existing law to accomplish the effect desired. In this case the caller said that the sections amended other laws already in effect by adding a line here and taking out a line there and the overall result of it is manditory federal firearms registration. He explained it all and said where to find it befor they cut him off. Like I said, this is just what I heard. I don't know if its true or not but its sure worth checking on. Sneakier shit has happened in our Congress.

[Liberal In Texas]

16. You're right, it sounds absurd. n/t

[madinmaryland]

17. Who knew you could search a PDF document?

:rofl:

[jmg257]

18. I thought everyone did. Didn't you?

[madinmaryland]

19. Yes. I was just taking a shot at the drug-addled gas-bag.

[jmg257]

20. Ahhh - Rush said that? What a dick! What was his point? edited - OK...got it.

On edit: Just saw the thread re:rushbo.

Got it!

[Liberal In Texas]

5. It's BULLSHIT.

I can't find anything about it in the bill.

http://appropriations.house.gov/pdf/RecoveryBill01-15-09.pdf

[ThomWV]

7. The guy sounded like he had it in front of him

He cited section and paragraph and then read the pertinent passage.

They will post the entire program on line after it ends later this morning. It was 12 minutes before 9:00 when he called in and said it. So once its on line it will be possible to go back and hear him again and write down the citation. I had just woke up and didn't have anything to write with when I heard it. Of course with the citation we can go see if its really in there or not. If it is there will be hell to pay for this. Political Hell.

[Liberal In Texas]

14. I'll bet it's some RWer blowing smoke. I keep hearing from people I know that

"Liberals are going to take away my guns!" I tell them that there may be a few who do (and certainly not enough to actually do it), but right now there are a WHOLE lot of more important things that we're worrying about.

[jmg257]

8. Likely. The ONLY reference I heard so far was a stretch re:tying electronic medical

info to the background checks.

Of course, there is always HR45.

[atreides1]

9. Here's something

Introduced by Rep. Bobby Rush(D) of Illinois



Rush introduced H.R.45, the Blair Holt's Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009 on January 6th, 2009. This bill, if signed into law would require all owners of hand guns and semiautomatic firearms to register for a federal firearms license. All sales of the subject firearms would have to go through a licensed dealer. The bill would also make it a criminal act not to register as an owner of a firearm. H.R. 45 does not have any co-sponsors and has been referred to the judiciary committee.


H.R. 45 does not have any co-sponsors and has been referred to the Judiciary Committee House Judiciary Committee Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security.


The Anniston Star reported that all those owning firearms would have to pass a written test and be approved by the Attorney General. All medical and mental health records of those wishing to possess firearms would be made public, posing a potential threat to the bill's passage, as the privacy rights of individuals- that are protected by law, would be violated.

If passed, Section 202 of the bill would create a form of "national firearms registry", in that, an owner's private, legally-acquired firearm and license information would be stored in a database accessible to government officials. This raises red flags in the eyes of civil liberties activists and 2nd Ammendment scholars, due to the invasion of privacy it presents. Nolanchart, and The Palestine Herald criticized the bill for potentially breaching the Second Amendment. Still others claim that the written test would prevent illiterate, law-abiding citizens from owning firearms.

In addition, this bill is seen as unneccesary by sporting firearms dealers, as full background checks are already required for firearm purchases, even if the purchaser has had a previous background check. Firearms rights activists have long encouraged the better enforcement of existing state and federal laws, rather than the creation of new, ineffective and redundant legislation.


But it's not in the Stimulus package.

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

12. Good catch.

I wonder if the caller was confusing bills or if it was deliberate misinformation. Either way, Thom will let us know soon enough.

[ThomWV]

15. That sounds very much like what he was talking about

He may have had them confused, but that sounds very much like what he was talking about.

[jmg257]

10. NRA's take...(good news)

"Friday, February 13, 2009

We have been hearing many rumors, and receiving many inquiries, about "buried" provisions in the federal economic stimulus bill that would negatively affect our Second Amendment rights. People have claimed the bill would designate interstate highways as national parks, or impose ammunition encoding and new ammunition taxes. Fortunately, and contrary to what you may have heard, there are no provisions in this bill prohibiting firearms or ammunition anywhere, or for anyone.

The only reference in the bill to firearms is a provision authorizing funds for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' (BATFE) "Project Gunrunner," which is a program that enforces existing laws to reduce smuggling of firearms from the United States to Mexico. This program imposes no new restrictions on gun owners, and if it did, we can assure you we would take swift action.

..."

My search matches their info. Let's hope!!

[Lost in CT]

21. Good for the NRA for going all Snopes on this rumor.

They are rarely a class act but in this case bravo.

[gratuitous]

22. Oh well, the NRA's been co-opted

So you can't trust what they say anyway. Besides, somebody half heard it on Washington Journal and the guy who called sounded real authoritative, so who are you going to believe?

You know, Second Amendment fanatics would be a lot more amusing than they already are if they were being irresponsible about something other than firearms.

[MadHound]

11. Good luck with that, if it's actually true

Frankly I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't some freeper type trying to gin up some more outrage by flat out lying his ass off.

If it is true, then good luck with trying to enforce it. What, are the Feds going to send agents around to check out everybody's firearms? Somehow I doubt that, and without enforcement, it is nothing more than toothless bullshit that will scare the crap out of every gun owner out there, something that Obama doesn't want to do.