Fasten your seatbelts ....... expect turbulence ......

[Stinky The Clown]

.... word is that within the hour, an additional 10,000 troops will be ordered to Afghanistan.

I am strongly anti-Iraq war and generally antiwar, but with tolerance borne of recognition that it is a shitty world out there.

I'm okay with this new deployment. I see it as doing the work that was necessary way back when we **first** went there.



(Source: Savannah Guthrie, MSNBC, live at 2.40 PM EST)

[NightWatcher]

1. when are we gonna end that "other war" over in Iraq????

12 months, 16???

[Stinky The Clown]

2. Yesterday would be just fine ..... last week would have been even better .....

[Bobbieo]

4. The Taliban is not entrenched in Iraq which is the reason Bush never should have left Afghanistan

to invade Iraq. But we all know why Bush went to Iraq - OIL!

[KansDem]

3. Well, if the truth were told, we should be in Saudi Arabia...

After all, 15 of the 19 attackers on 9/11 were from there.

Oh, and the UAE, too. Two of the attackers were from there...

89% of the attackers on 9/11 were from countries friendly to the Bush Family and Cheney's Halliburton...

[Stinky The Clown]

7. I'm not sure I agree with you ....... I don't want to get into the weeds on this, but ......

.............. while it is true that the attackers were mostly Saudis, that does not tie their actions to Saudi Arabia.

I have plenty of quarrel with the Saudis ..... I'm just not comfortable saying this is one of them.

[napoleon_in_rags]

5. Its all about whether victory there is defined.

I mean you could have asked FDR in WWII: when is this over? And he could clearly answer that it was over when Hilter had fallen, and all the occupied countries had been liberated, etc. He had that goal and achieved it. I think that's what Obama has to do here, he has to present an idea of what victory looks like, and seek to achieve it. What's not acceptable is this vague idea that we are running around spending billions, taking years longer than WWII to defeat a bunch of fundamentalist farmers with AK47s. It just doesn't add up and will hurt Obama like it hurt Bush.

[Stinky The Clown]

6. You will get no argument from me .......

[damntexdem]

8. The question is what the goals are.

And also whether sending more troops will aid in actually meeting any reasonable goals.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

9. I often agree with you Stinky but this time I can't. I did not and still don't support our being

in Afghanistan. The war in Afghanistan has Nothing to do with Bin Laden. In fact, prior to our going into Afghanistan, the Taliban offered to hand him over to a third party country.

It is all about the oil and gas pipeline, and probably the poppy trade too.

This is an excellent little history lesson about it.

http://www.ringnebula.com/Oil/Timeline.htm

[ixion]

10. I'm not okay with that...

So much for change.