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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 12:58 AM
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Two Minutes Hate


War is Peace. Ketchup is Vegetable. Traitor is Hero. Greed is Good. Freedom is Surveillance.

The biggest danger in the Big Lie perpetrated and perpetuated by the Reagan Myth was not illegal wars, shredding the social safety net, impeachable offenses, mercenary economic policies to rob the commonwealth or the snowballing of media consolidation and the surveillance state.... no, sisters and brothers, it was the wedge driven between us by all of the above.

The Biggest Lie of All was that Americans cared only for themselves and their conspicuous consumption, their unconscious consumption of brand names and bad TV.

And it went like that through the 80's..... and the 90's..... and the 00's....

And along came Obama.

And he said: We're not Blue States! We're not Red States! We're the United. States. Of America!

As Popeye usedta say, "Well, Blow Me Down."

The People cheered. The People smiled. The People clapped and sang. The People could. not. believe. their ears.

The Reagan Error was so toxic and divisive that in the space of a few decades, it had turned what once was a basic notion of American pride and principle into a RADICAL NEW CONCEPT THAT GOT THE FIRST BLACK MAN ELECTED TO THE WHITE HOUSE.

We're All In This Together.

No duh.


Now we have our new President, who will do as much as he can under the intentionally devastated circumstances of global market rule, in the absence of that pesky old social safety net.

The reason all this is the BIGGEST danger, is that when we need to pull together, will we? United we stand, divided we fall.

The genocide in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina was proof of that, good Americans watching brown bodies floating in the waters and eaten by dogs.

So. Listen. If you come to a place like this and you see things you don't agree with and you got something to say; and you claim you want to "disagree," and maybe you're sefl righteous and projecting and even a bit out of line; and maybe that gets you off somehow; just ask yourself this:

How hateful and vicious do you want to be.

How hateful do you want to be toward others, while you try to live up to the promise of this new era with a new President's assertion:

We're All In This Together. Yes we can.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_C992KPzKs

19. Emmanuel Goldstein Two-Minutes Hate
http://www.orwelltoday.com/twominutes.shtml

It was nearly eleven hundred, and in the RECORDS DEPARTMENT, they were dragging the chairs out of the cubicles and grouping them in the centre of the hall opposite the big telescreen, in preparation for the Two Minutes Hate....

The next moment a hideous, grinding speech, as of some monstrous machine running without oil, burst from the big telescreen at the end of the room. It was a noise that set one's teeth on edge and bristled the hair at the back of one's neck. The Hate had started.

<snip>

Before the Hate had proceeded for thirty seconds, uncontrollable exclamations of rage were breaking out from half the people in the room. The self-satisfied sheep-like face on the screen, and the terrifying power of the Eurasian army behind it, were too much to be borne: besides the sight or even the thought of Goldstein produced fear and anger automatically. He was an object of hatred more constant than either Eurasia or Eastasia, since when Oceania was at war with one of these Powers it was generally at peace with the other. But what was strange was that although Goldstein was hated and despised by everybody, although every day and a thousand times a day, on platforms, on the telescreen, in newspapers, in books, his theories were refuted, smashed, ridiculed, held up to the general gaze for the pitiful rubbish that they were - in spite of all this, his influence never seemed to grow less. Always there were fresh dupes waiting to be seduced by him. A day never passed when spies and saboteurs acting under his directions were not unmasked by the Thought Police. He was the commander of a vast shadowy army, an underground network of conspirators dedicated to the overthrow of the State....

In its second minute the Hate rose to a frenzy. People were leaping up and down in their places and shouting at the tops of their voices in an effort to drown the maddening bleating voice that came from the screen....In a lucid moment Winston found that he was shouting with the others and kicking his heel violently against the rung of his chair. The horrible thing about the Two Minutes Hate was not that one was obliged to act a part, but, on the contrary, that it was impossible to avoid joining in. A hideous ecstasy of fear and vindictiveness, a desire to kill, to torture, to smash faces in with a sledge-hammer, seemed to flow through the whole group of people like an electric current, turning one even against one's will into a grimacing, screaming lunatic...

The Hate rose to its climax. The voice of Goldstein had become an actual sheep's bleat, and for an instant the face changed into that of a sheep. Then the sheep-face melted into the figure of a Eurasian soldier who seemed to be advancing, huge and terrible, his sub-machine gun roaring, and seeming to spring out of the surface of the screen. But in the same moment, drawing a deep sigh of relief from everybody, the hostile figure melted into the face of BIG BROTHER...
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 01:01 AM
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1. Ralph Nader
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 01:04 AM
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2. Ignorance Is Strength
:rofl:

Thanks for that :spray:
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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 01:45 AM
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4. LONG LIVE THE DOUCHEBAGS!
Thank YOU for THAT! :ROFL:
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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 01:43 AM
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3. "who will do as much as he can under the intentionally devastated circumstances of global market"
Do you REALLY believe that? Hoo boy.

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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 12:46 PM
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5. this
Edited on Wed Feb-18-09 12:52 PM by omega minimo
OP

The biggest danger in the Big Lie perpetrated and perpetuated by the Reagan Myth was not illegal wars, shredding the social safety net, impeachable offenses, mercenary economic policies to rob the commonwealth or the snowballing of media consolidation and the surveillance state.... no, sisters and brothers, it was the wedge driven between us by all of the above.

.........................................................

Now we have our new President, who will do as much as he can under the intentionally devastated circumstances of global market rule, in the absence of that pesky old social safety net.




What do you believe?




edit:

hey look what's on page 1
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5080925
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Runcible Spoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 03:19 PM
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7. what gave you any indication that Obama is going to transcend corporate influence in gov't?
What do I think? That he is a moderate Dem with strong ties to certain industries; they will get rewarded. I find it ironic that you guys are snickering over Nader yet championing Obama as some kind of populist Messiah.

As for that article: yes, I'm aware and it's an outrage. But have you taken a little peek at OBAMA'S ECONOMIC TEAM? :shrug:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 03:57 PM
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8. Dear Great Name formerly known as former Great Name
Edited on Wed Feb-18-09 03:59 PM by omega minimo
:hi:

Let's back up.

Actually, this is perfect for the thread, as there is some confusion and we have potential to clear it up rather than throw rocks. :thumbsup:

"what gave you any indication that Obama is going to transcend corporate influence in gov't?"

Nothing. Maybe my "as much as he can" was too openended -- I have no expectations of a populist Messiah. I haven't had any great hopes or disappointments with him. IMHO, it says a lot that he wants to "look forward, not back" and we will try to fix problems without honesty about how we got here.

"I find it ironic that you guys are snickering over Nader yet championing Obama as some kind of populist Messiah."

I thought the graphic was great, poking fun at the notion of a "Goldstein" punching bag. Nader is certainly DU's. I'm not a NaderHater.






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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 06:53 PM
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9. Nader is not DU's Goldstein though
Maybe for part, but he also has a contingency of defenders and apologists. No, our Goldstein is the ubiquitous FReeper.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 11:52 PM
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10. NaderHaters pile on other DUers, not FReepoids, so in the OP context............ it fits
always nice to see you hfojvt :spray:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 02:47 PM
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6. transcend the competitive aspect of politics to find relevance and interrelationship. UNITED
please
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 11:57 PM
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11. I thought this thread was going to be about Nadya Suleman.
:shrug:
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:08 AM
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12. who is that?
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 12:20 AM
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13. It's not the work of citizens to please a president --
Edited on Thu Feb-19-09 12:21 AM by defendandprotect
it is the work of a president to please the public with his actions ---

And, agree, that we have some here still who don't get it re Nader --

evidently they don't want to see how the Democratic Party has done little

about the conditions which gave us 2000 and 2004!


Keep in mind that 300,000+ Democrats in Florida voted for Bush ---

More than 600+ illegal military ballots were counted for Bush ---

Buchanan took 3,000+ votes unintended for him due to the "butterfly ballot" --

Other third parties took thousands of votes -- Socialists, Libertarians --

As the press has reported, GORE won no matter how you count the votes,

including in Florida.


Some here might also begin to understand that almost everything we know about

the buying of government and elected officials has come to us from Nader over

decades. Telling the truth about BOTH parties has made him an enemy of the

Democratic Party.


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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 01:38 AM
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14. There's that. And try having anything
Edited on Thu Feb-19-09 01:38 AM by omega minimo
resembling discussion on verboten topics. Grey areas? Fuhgeddaboudit.


"As the press has reported, GORE won no matter how you count the votes, including in Florida."

"Telling the truth about BOTH parties has made him an enemy of the Democratic Party."

The OP was inspired by recent hatefulness but moreso the shock of realizing how Orwellian it is. Clinging to "rational" yet not "reality based" at all.

Doesn't be "realsitic" allow us a sense of different points of view without being traumatized and threatened by ego death?

Growing pains, I guess for the PARADIGM SHIFT :think:


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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 01:43 AM
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15. I have come back to this thread several times.
I still don't get it.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 03:35 AM
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16. LOL
all right :rofl:
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 03:38 AM
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17. I'd guess the OP is either A) an Octomom supporter or B) an aggrieved richie. /nt
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 03:44 AM
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18. well geez, the OP makes more sense than that post
:wow:
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 03:48 AM
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19. Or, as Yoda is wont to say, "If understand random axes being ground by poster, you DO not-
Make sense of post, you WILL not"
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 04:06 AM
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20. Axe me not no questions you will, no lie will I be telling, hmmmmmmm?
Edited on Thu Feb-19-09 04:08 AM by omega minimo
:spray:


edit:

ETA!!! :hi:
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 02:53 PM
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22. 99.9% Of Us Share Your Sentiment.
Kinda makes your head hurt don't it?
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-09 04:16 AM
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21. Error: you can only recommend threads which were started in the past 24 hours. nt
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