Vatican says sexes sin differently; women are prideful, men horny

[BurtWorm]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7897034.stm

Two sexes 'sin in different ways'


Women are prouder than men, but men are more lustful, according to a Vatican report which states that the two sexes sin differently.

A Catholic survey found that the most common sin for women was pride, while for men, the urge for food was only surpassed by the urge for sex.

The report was based on a study of confessions carried out by Fr Roberto Busa, a 95-year-old Jesuit scholar.

The Pope's personal theologian backed up the report in the Vatican newspaper.

"Men and women sin in different ways," Msgr Wojciech Giertych, theologian to the papal household, wrote in L'Osservatore Romano.

"When you look at vices from the point of view of the difficulties they create you find that men experiment in a different way from women."

Msgr Giertych said the most difficult sin for men to face was lust, followed by gluttony, sloth, anger, pride, envy and greed.

For women, the most dangerous sins were pride, envy, anger, lust, and sloth, he added.

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[John Q. Citizen]

1. yeah, but how many angels have they decided can dance on the head of a pin?

[Deep13]

10. all of 'em

[mcctatas]

2. Crap! I am prideful AND horny...

does that make me doubly damned?

[billyoc]

5. triply.

:rofl:

[mcctatas]

24. Oh like your one to talk...

fed boy :P

[Deep13]

7. No, it means you're smokin' hawt.

It's not a come-on. It's just an established fact is all.

[BurtWorm]

9. :spray:

:applause:

[snake in the grass]

67. Maybe...

...you have a problem with your gender identity. You should write the pope and ask him.

;-)

[tekisui]

3. I wish the Vatican would just go away.

They are becoming increasingly irrelevant. How long have the spread bullshit lies and stood in the way of progress? How many centuries, now?

[Deep13]

4. To quote former VP Ted Agnew...

..."He no play-ah dah game. He no make-ah dah rules." He was referring to the then pope's announcement of his opposition to birth control.

[loudsue]

62. VP Spiro T. Agnew

Well spoken asshole that he was.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

6. Have they figured out why "sin" is still more popular than the Vatican?

[Deep13]

8. Reality's liberal bias? nt

[ourbluenation]

11. slightly OT but how many here were raised catholic like me, and used to make stuff up

in the confession box...

here were my standard three..

1) I lied to my parents
2) I fought with my sister
3) I used foul language

:rofl:

[BlooInBloo]

15. I'm surprised "I lied in my last confession" doesn't get more play.

:rofl:

[nc4bo]

16. 3, 1, 2 for me.

:rofl:

[ourbluenation]

33. :fistbump:

[JerseygirlCT]

27. Especially when you're so young, and know they're going to toss you

into that black box.

Actually, I think you're on to something important here: I think in general women have been socialized, especially in the RCC, to please. To do as they're told. I think these "sins" they've been confessing may be simply what they think they're supposed to confess.

And the men, feeling much less pressure, confess to lust and such - it makes them feel macho - and after all, those things are understandable, right? Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

34. I always had to struggle....

to come up with something I thought was "sinful" enough -- those minutes waiting in confession line were stressful ones for me. :D

[ourbluenation]

41. ever experience the hell that is "open confession"???

to make it worse, all the priests were friends of my parents. They used to come over to the house and play poker, drink whiskey and smoke cigars. Open confession was a no-go for me.

I also remember the shock I felt when Fr. O'Keefe yanked Gina Baily out of the confession box in front of everyone and tore her a new one. Never did find out what her "offense" was, but she was a damn, sassy kid.

Here's to you Gina, wherever you are.

[8 track mind]

45. I'm thankful i was never subjected to that.

I would have entirely to much fun with that:

"For Give me Father, for i have sinned"

"Yes My son?"

" Two days ago i arranged my G.I. Joe and Star wars action figures into various lewd and compromising positions and i super glued them to the coffee table."

"Excuse me?"

"Yeah, Destro has no shame and Princess Lia is quite the tart."

[TwilightGardener]

68. Isn't "open confession" a confession without the screen?

[ourbluenation]

77. yep yep n/t

[DeepBlueC]

70. oh god...yes...and I didn't even know it existed

I am not a regular churchgoer so I wasn't up on this innovation. I wasn't home either; I was visiting my mother. And then I wasn't even in my own former parish church; they have amalgamated a number of parishes in my town to spread more thinly the priests they have left, so I just went to the one that had the most convenient hours for confession. Then I got in there saw the priest and a chair facing him, and... Well I figured it out quickly enough, did not run away, kept a poker face and my composure until I opened my mouth to say the Act of Contrition and realized that I could not remember it! I think it would have been a lot easier to get past that in a dark box...in fact in a familiar setting I might well have remembered it. The good part is that I had never seen that priest before and would not recognize him if I did so again.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

80. Thankfully I left the RCC long before that...

...though I did have an "accidental" open comfession with Fr. Virgilio once. I had just told him my lastest lie about my "sin", had received my penance, and was standing up, getting ready to leave the library (the temporary confessional that had been set up) when he pulled aside the sheet that had separated us and asked if I was the last kid. I was absolutely mortified he had seen it was me he had been talking to! :D

[TwilightGardener]

40. Yep--mine were: "didn't do my homework", "fought with my brother", "said a swear word"--

every time, for years and years. I figure it was true at least SOME of the time.

[KittyWampus]

56. Did you see 30 Rock last week? Jack had the Priest running out of the Confessional boothi

to escape.

[TwilightGardener]

66. No, I missed that!

[TlalocW]

43. I had unpure thoughts...

About you, Father.

Maybe that wouldn't be a good one.

TlalocW

[GinaMaria]

73. Me. I used to abbreviate my prayers too

I would just think 'give me the usual' and that would be my prayer. Why repeat the same stuff in my head every Sunday? It's funny to look back on it.

1) I fought with my brother
2) I was mean to my sister
3) I talked back to my mother

[LibertyLover]

76. Yeah, sounds about like how my confessions

went except since I didn't have a brother or a sister I dragged out the Lied to my Parents to 1. I lied to my mother, 2 I lied to my father, 3 I used fowl language.

[SpiralHawk]

79. You mean you never confessed to 'impure thoughts?'

eom

[Dulcinea]

81. Oh yeah!

I would be so nervous in the confessional that I would just stammer & stutter. I got a couple of Hail Marys & that was that. I decided it was pretty much a waste of time.

I haven't been to confession since 1984, so if I ever go back, I'll tell the priest to get a cold drink, smoke 'em if you got 'em, because we'll be here for a while!

And what if you do something the Catholic Church considers a sin, but you're not sorry for doing it? I'm not sorry for practicing birth control or having sex before marriage. Then what?

[DeepBlueC]

82. I could never remember doing anything wrong!

Or anything I thought was wrong. So one of the lies I confessed to would be the one I was in the process of delivering! He did not ask "to whom". Yes, and fighting with my brother, even if he had been at camp for weeks. Well I might have confessed to "taking the name of the Lord in vain" because I said "Oh God" or something. Yes those were my three. It seemed to be about the right number. Credible like.

[Mari333]

12. slothfulness is underrated nt

[izquierdista]

13. I had a theologian to my household once

And when I got tired of all the dogma, I just put a cover over his cage.

[DeepBlueC]

83. ...

:spray:

[anonymous171]

14. Interesting. nt

[MattBaggins]

17. This just in;

The Vatican is potentially the largest collection of idiots on the face of the Earth.

[moggie]

18. Hey! Why do the women miss out on two sins?

Msgr Giertych said the most difficult sin for men to face was lust, followed by gluttony, sloth, anger, pride, envy and greed.

For women, the most dangerous sins were pride, envy, anger, lust, and sloth, he added.

Don't women face gluttony and greed, too? Did they only consider skinny women?

[nc4bo]

21. Aren't most pet horders women? That's greed and gluttony all rolled up in one. nt

[moggie]

25. I don't think crazy cat ladies eat the cats n/t

[nc4bo]

31. Hope not - just coming up with a "greed" and "gluttony".

I've had my fill of the Catholic church - 12 years of it has tendency of doing that to a person.

[Occam Bandage]

50. You can't combine them. After all,

don't you know you can't have your cake and eat it too?

[Stevenmarc]

19. Msgr Giertych must run the Vatican office of minutia

[Demeter]

20. Yes, a Properly SUBMISSIVE Woman HAS NO PRIDE

and that's what they want to socially engineer, isn't it? Fuck them!

and as for male horniness, I must be in the wrong county.

[anonymous171]

52. Pride=Arrogance. Pride is bad for anyone.

He's not saying "Women have should have no pride" but that "women have problems with pride." That's my take anyways.

[Canuckistanian]

60. All those uppity women

They never should have allowed them to smoke, get birth control, vote and drive cars.

Hey, Saudi Arabia must be their ideal society!

[DeepBlueC]

72. ha!

:rofl:

[L. Coyote]

22. I'm running for Pope. It's my last chance at infallibility, and I could work on stuff like this.

[undeterred]

23. And how, exactly, does the Vatican know anything about women?

They're just a bunch of horny old priests.

[JerseygirlCT]

29. I know. Even as a kid, I constantly asked how they were supposed

to counsel people about marriage - having never experienced it themselves.

It's nutty. The day the old boys get over their serious hang-ups and break out of the he-man-women-haters club mentality, is the day the RCC breaks free of its bigotry and prejudice and becomes a healthy church.

[undeterred]

39. My best friend growing up was Catholic

and when she got married she went through pre-Cana. It was required. I asked her how being counseled by someone who had never been married made sense... she justified it by saying 'priests have relationships'... she didn't mean it in a sexual way.

A lapsed Catholic I knew wanted to get married in the Catholic Church. The priest insisted on doing a counseling session with each of them separately. The priest asked the woman how many men she'd had sex with and he asked the man how often he masturbated. Horny old guy.

[JerseygirlCT]

63. When I was getting married, since we were being married

by both a Catholic priest and a rabbi, we had to do the silly pre-cana thing, too. We looked for and found one that was just one morning. It was so incredibly useless. The funniest part was the slide show on contraception. Idiots. And my poor husband, having to sit through that nonsense on my behalf.

We actually had better counsel from the rabbi and from the priest who was marrying us. Though a young guy, without first-hand experience, he knew to ask us to think about good questions: how we'd deal with X, or Y or Z. We really could have skipped the other silliness entirely.

[Arugula Latte]

26. Who can believe anything these freaks come up with?

Seriously -- what a fucking joke. Why would anyone put any creedence into what the fucking Vatican says?

[YOY]

28. I'll stick with Sloth and Lust.

They're the most fun...

[endarkenment]

30. I like slothy gluttonous lust!

[JVS]

37. It's George Costanza!

[DKRC]

53. Nekkid in the beanbag, watching porn & eating cheetos!

:evilgrin:

[endarkenment]

61. Not the orange ring of shame!

[DKRC]

64. HEY!

Did I ask where you put that hand after stuffing your face full of cheetos!?


:spray:

[Bake]

32. I thought it took two to tango ... ahem.

Women aren't lustful?

Oh. That's right. They'll DO it, they just don't enjoy it ...

:sarcasm:

Bake

[TahitiNut]

35. I notice that 'lust' beats 'sloth' across the board. That's a good thing, since otherwise ...

... we couldn't agree on who gets 'bottoms.' :shrug:



:hide:

[8 track mind]

47. LOL!

:rofl:

[Historic NY]

36. "Confession stories" the new reality show brought to you by VCTV.

I want to know if there is prejudice in the penance based on sex. Imagine a series based on the penance of the week.

[sarge43]

38. That one brings up an interesting image.

A priest in a confessional with a chipboard. "Hmmm, pride or anger? Oh hell, check both."

[Javaman]

42. does this mean the pope is horny? I think I just puked a little in my mouth. nt

[8 track mind]

44. Can we ban religion yet? n/t

[anonymous171]

54. Only after we ban Free Market Capitalism.

Although that might be redundant, since Free Market Capitalism is a religion in and of itself.

[8 track mind]

71. or...

we could combine them and they would just cancel each other out.

[krabigirl]

46. And the world yawned.

[WI_DEM]

48. OMG! I'm male and I'm horny and prideful--what is going to happen to me?

[Occam Bandage]

49. Obviously the good father has not been to America,

if he thinks that gluttony is not equally common among men and women.

[lightningandsnow]

51. I'm a horny woman. Does that mean I'm both special and sinful.

:rofl:

I'm sorry. Lust is so much more fun than pride. Unless we're talking gay pride here.

[Cerridwen]

55. Have they trotted out the whole

"if it weren't for women tempting men, men wouldn't be lustful" crapola yet?

Even when men are "guilty of sin" it's all the "evil wimmen's" fault.

[Kashka-Kat]

57. Tell that to a pre- or peri-menopausal woman! Androgens running rampant here

Its more like the other way around, horny and no pride whatsoever LOL

[Iggo]

58. The Vatican is a fuckin idiot.

[chemenger]

59. What is said in the confessional stays in the confessional

or so I was led to believe.

Now the Church is conducting a census (or is it sinsus) on the most popular sins. Seems hypocritical.

[ismnotwasm]

65. Women don't get the gluttony sin?

WTF? What about all the penitence diets, like weight watchers? If we don't feel sinful, why are we evidently always and forever trying to lose weight?


So confession is used as a public survey now?

[Hello_Kitty]

69. Gee, social conditioning couldn't possibly have anything to do with that.

:eyes:

[seabeyond]

78. isnt it just enough.... n/t

[LeftHander]

74. Greed is not a sin apparently....

I guess that explains it.

[marmar]

75. Every time Papenfuhrer's mouth opens, it sprays bullshit.....

Don't stand to close to him. :scared: