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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:39 AM
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One of the keys to reforming healthcare is to detach and decouple health coverage and employment

It may have made sense at one time, though the logic to me was tenuous, at best. But now having employers provide your health coverage is a horrible situation. It gives the corporation more control over you than you might realize.

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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:47 AM
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1. It's time for universal single-payer health care -
the insurance companies can still provide supplemental plans and all that ... but we need a basic level of health care for all. I would think business would be on-board. Less cost and effort for them, and makes them more competitive against businesses in countries that have already done this. It's time to do this, and this is the administration to do it.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:50 AM
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2. I agree...
I personally know folks that are slaves to their present jobs simply for the health coverage. And the corporations know they have these employees, no matter what. They use health insurance as leverage against all employees to keep wages down and complaints to a minimum. It should be de-coupled.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:50 AM
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3. It's could be one result of the unemployment situation
That as more people lose coverage due to job loss and find that they can't afford COBRA, which is the case 9 times out of 10, we will get critical mass on health care. Actually, we ALREADY have critical mass on healthcare.

Single payer, universal healthcare, NOW!
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Coyote_Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:50 AM
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4. Ever ask an employer
to give you a raise (or worse yet the amount of money expended for your health coverage) in lieu of providing health care?

Many years ago I had an individual policy that was guaranteed renewable for life. I wanted to keep it. My employer would not give me even a portion of my health care premium in any form (wage, bonus, etc) to enable me to do so. I lost that coverage and took the employer plan.

Another time at another job the employees were informed mid-day that effective as of midnight that night their helath coverage would be terminated. Because of that, everybody ended up with pre-existing conditions and some were unable to secure helath coverage.

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 10:52 AM
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5. YES! Helps labor mobility and makes it possible for someone like I am to get insurance,
which I can't now despite passing a physical and having a good health record.

Being unemployed puts me in a risk pool that insurance companies will not ensure.
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 11:07 AM
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6. We not just couple everything?
Why don't we just go with a monopoly where business and government are the same thing? How much energy is wasted in having those two entities constantly fight against each other? The most efficient number is one. We all want a universal, single payer health system. Why not just have a universal, single employer system?
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-18-09 12:55 PM
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7. I suspect you could get significant corporate support
This is a big expense for the largest corporations in the country. I thought for some time that the "bail out" for GM and the rest of the auto industry could have been merely to take over their healthcare costs. Form some government run/administered healthcare plan (maybe the same outfit that runs congress') and relieve them of their retiree burdens. After getting it up and running, it could have been expanded to other "struggling" industries, and ultimately to any business'/employees that get interested.
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